GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Just jellous that I cant even get a woman. Plus I dont like the Black Hat Pick Up Artists who only wanna get into a woman's pants. I'd rather get advice from the White Hats who actually respect women.
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warpus
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Women invented the game - men are only starting to learn how to play it.
What does your fantasy girlfriend Samus think of your Wizzrobe preference?
Yeah, once women threw off the shackles of male oppression, men didn't know how to handle it and now are only coming to grips with become trappists of wild poontang.
Harbringer
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Thats what these pick up artists are teaching these guys to do. Theyre getting women, but in the wrong way.
Exactly. You could help them get women by building them up, rather than teaching them techniques to tear the women down. (I guess it's not always exactly "tearing women down," but I liked the symmetry.)
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It stands for negative compliment.
It's an insult disguised as a compliment. The idea is to break through the resistance of stand-offish women by forcing them to qualify themselves to you. In doing so, you setup a situation where a woman seeks your approval and attention, rather than the other way around.
Neonanocyborgasm
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Well that's the nature of sexual encounters. It's all about objectification, both by the man and by the woman. The woman is sizing up the man and determining whether he's worth her time, using very limited information and making snap judgements based on bias and superficial appraisal. I don't see how it's unfair for a man to objectify a woman, in this scheme.
If you're looking for profound relationship pointers from PUA, you won't find it. I think that's where people get confused and insulted by its premise. All it does it help a man seduce a woman. What you do with that achievement is up to you. Mind you, I have little faith in the relationship advice given by most self-appointed gurus, as I have noticed that it bears no resemblance to anything real.
If I needed that kind of advice, I wouldn't ask a gay man any more than I'd ask a celibate priest. Besides that, I can see how seduction can be taken too far. After a while, some men can turn into drones, mindlessly repeating the same speeches and acts over and over. I stayed away from the seduction community at large and just did my own thing. If used properly, seduction can help a man become more at peace with himself and women, and may even help him become a better man.
warpus
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These pick-up artist techniques have certainly taught me a lot about women. I am not a conscript - more like a casual reader. I have read the concepts, and applied my own warpus-like way of seeing the world to them - producing a unique understanding of female psychology with that weird stuff that goes on in my brain.
What am I really trying to say here? Women operate on an entirely different level than men do. I'm not quite sure that it's possible to see the world through their eyes - I also don't think it's possible to apply the way *we* see the world and expect that this is how they operate. The techniques that pick-up artists use exploit the way that women see the world - and interact with it. If anything, educating yourself about them and trying them out (to some extent, you don't have to go out and try to pick up women - you can just try talking to them a bit differently than what you've been doing) will give you a bit of an insight into the female mind. It might also help you get closer to women, in various ways.
And like Nanocyborgasm said, the ideas help you seduce a woman - what you do beyond that point is up to you.
Harbringer, you say that the techniques objectify women.. Some of them might! The way some of these pick-up artists operate does seem rather pathetic - a lot of them come across like a bunch of douchebags. But there is a lot more to this than just these guys - I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. It might actually teach you something.
I couldn't even explain how I took these techniques and applied them to my life - so I'm not going to be writing may books anytime soon, nor do my versions of these techniques necessarily lead to seduction.. but they have improved my interaction with the female half of the species, for sure.
What am I really trying to say here? Women operate on an entirely different level than men do. I'm not quite sure that it's possible to see the world through their eyes - I also don't think it's possible to apply the way *we* see the world and expect that this is how they operate. The techniques that pick-up artists use exploit the way that women see the world - and interact with it. If anything, educating yourself about them and trying them out (to some extent, you don't have to go out and try to pick up women - you can just try talking to them a bit differently than what you've been doing) will give you a bit of an insight into the female mind. It might also help you get closer to women, in various ways.
And like Nanocyborgasm said, the ideas help you seduce a woman - what you do beyond that point is up to you.
Harbringer, you say that the techniques objectify women.. Some of them might! The way some of these pick-up artists operate does seem rather pathetic - a lot of them come across like a bunch of douchebags. But there is a lot more to this than just these guys - I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. It might actually teach you something.
I couldn't even explain how I took these techniques and applied them to my life - so I'm not going to be writing may books anytime soon, nor do my versions of these techniques necessarily lead to seduction.. but they have improved my interaction with the female half of the species, for sure.
So....the solution to having your girlfriend cheat on you is to go out and insult women until one of them sleeps with you? So you respond to a cheater, by becoming a douchebag?
I don't think one cheating girlfriend should destroy your worldview. And even if it causes you to lose faith in mankind (Or at least, womankind) I don't see how sleeping with lots of girls with low self esteem fixes the problem. (Even assuming that it really works - I suspect that there's a lot more lonely nights than the propaganda would have us think) Do you really think you're going to find a girl to spend the rest of your life with, if you spend your time sitting in a bar, telling hot girls that their dresses make their butts look big?
Honestly, the kind of girls that would sleep with a guy like that are precisely the kind of girls that I don't want to date. I want a girl who is smart, and fun, and sexy, and kind, and is reasonably secure in herself. I don't want a girl who thinks spending her 20s sweating beneath some douchebags never washed sheets is going to make her feel better about herself.
If you think that sounds fun, then....have at it, I guess? But don't expect people who aren't part of your pickup community to respect it. From where I'm standing, it looks like a pretty empty - and sad - endeavor.
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JohnMarshall12
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Several people here have mentioned a concern about the objectification of women. However, what is really wrong with going after hot girls or for that matter wanting casual sex? If a man gain's esteem and self worth from dating and bedding hot girls, what is really wrong with him seeking out those girls? To go further, if he found out a way to be more successful at doing that, what exactly is wrong with that?
BTW, aren't all social interactions really manufactured and fake and to some extent based on people's past experiences and patterns learned over time? Aren't we really creatures of habit for the most part?
And for the women who are laying down the objectification card, what are your thoughts on women who wear push up bras or high heels? Do you find this behavior equally manipulative? Do you feel women should be able to dress in a way that shows off their figure?
BTW, aren't all social interactions really manufactured and fake and to some extent based on people's past experiences and patterns learned over time? Aren't we really creatures of habit for the most part?
And for the women who are laying down the objectification card, what are your thoughts on women who wear push up bras or high heels? Do you find this behavior equally manipulative? Do you feel women should be able to dress in a way that shows off their figure?
Well, it seems a little unfair to approach things from a woman's point of view and then claim that men are doing it wrong. I think it's pretty despicable that mainstream women's magazines are packed with hints and tips about snagging a good man, seducing him, keeping him interested (including manipulative rubbish about not giving him too much, or being too nice) and that there's even a whole book about fooling men into relationships.
That a few men whose attitudes are barely known outside the USA are approaching encounters between the sexes from their own angle, rather than women's angle, seems to me entirely fair.
Not everyone wants these long-lasting, dedicated relationships. Some people just enjoy having friends but also want to have sex. This is no less a valid way of living life than seeking a single partner for life.
That everyone finds it acceptable to condemn people who have a different idea about life just shows how intolerant and indoctrinated people are about this. It's one of the last bastions of intolerance in our civilised world.
The overall goal is fine. That men have cast off the shackles of female oppression and are creating their own sexual goals is not a bad thing.
Manipulating women into helping them achieve their goals might be a bad thing, but I find it outrageous that anyone can condemn the goals themselves.
Not everyone wants a long-lasting, monogamous relationship. Women and men tend to, but many men don't.
Women manipulate men in many ways and share these secrets privately, publicly and in popular writing. Even advertisements show weak-minded and pathetic men being pwned by sassy women.
And yet when a few men discover that women too can be manipulated for a goal that they might not want (without being manipulated into wanting it), and refuse to bow before the overwhelming social pressure that forbids chasing any goal but that which is stereotypically women's, everyone says how terrible it is.
I detect a slight whiff of hypocrisy.
Personally I do not approach dating (or whatever you'd call it) from the "game" angle. The woman I seek (and have found) isn't interested in the "game" either, nor the sort of unspoken power struggles and maneuvering that PUA techniques take advantage of. If you're out for sex with a different woman every night, then have at it, but that desire is so foreign to me that I can hardly attempt to see it from that perspective without shuddering.
The techniques themselves do seem to be fairly real-world applications of human psychology, though, and on that level are somewhat interesting to me.
The techniques themselves do seem to be fairly real-world applications of human psychology, though, and on that level are somewhat interesting to me.
Shaihulud
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I find it funny that such are considered "artists", and techniques for picking up girls so formulized. I enjoy women, dating and winning them over, I will read more of their strategies as I am single once again.
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Except a hammerparty with 6 gorillas
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I only know the phrase hammer party from the Big Black album of the same name.
