Pirates attack another US cargo ship

Very few people have claimed the pirates are terrorists, in fact nearly everyone is treating it as a criminal act.

I am sure though, that some terrorists groups will use the situation to their advantage. For instance the original reas CTF 151 was stood up was to intercept the drug/weapons/sex slave trade in the Gulf of Aden which terrorists goups were using to fund their operations. The instability of Somalia provides a perfect area to try and get away with such things.

If you think these pirates are not involved in the drug/weapons/sex slave trade as well (they are run out of the same ports), I have a bridge in Alaska to sell you. There involvement may just be as a matter of buisness, but it does contribute to the funding efforts of terrorists.

Yeah – I don’t think that they are terrorists as well. I just hate it when people claim that the “terrorists” are taking advantage of the situation when there is absolutely no proof that they are even involved.

As for the drugs/weapons/sex trade – I have not seen anything on that, but I don’t doubt that that would be something they would be involved in.
 
As for the drugs/weapons/sex trade – I have not seen anything on that, but I don’t doubt that that would be something they would be involved in.

One of the greatest successes of the war on terrorism has been the destuction of the various financial networks they relied on. This was promarily on the cyber side, but also on the actual trafficing side as well.

There is still quite a bit of weapons/drug/sex slave trading going on, but not as much as there used to be.
 
I don't understand why we don't send our navies to secure the area and bombard the pirate ports and bases from offshore.

We have missile cruisers, destroyers, and aircraft carriers and they have little speedboats with an RPG and some rifles. This has to be a joke.
 
Theres an interesting background to this piracy in the wiki article, its not as straightforward as it seems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia

wikipedia said:
Piracy has contributed to an increase in shipping costs and impeded the delivery of food aid shipments. Ninety percent of the World Food Programme's shipments arrive by sea, and ships have required a military escort.

Sounds like a continuation of the same old warlords' 'kingmaker' strategy of concentrating food aid in their hands to build their power. it was the same cause for the USA to be in Somalia in the 1990s. Wouldn't be surprised if the pirates had links to the warlords.

But the origins of the piracy were probably protectionism from Somali fisherman against the collapse of their government.
 
I don't understand why we don't send our navies to secure the area and bombard the pirate ports and bases from offshore.

We have missile cruisers, destroyers, and aircraft carriers and they have little speedboats with an RPG and some rifles. This has to be a joke.

First, that would entail too much collateral damage, and probably would not be all that popular to the international community.

Secondly it wouldnt really be that effective at all. How do you know where to strike? Which boats are pirate boats?

Pat was right when he said the best solution would be to show that the business is unprofitable. They are not politically or ideologically driven, so enough futile attempts and piracy might be abandoned.
 
I'd like to see some of the pirates go missing quietly in the middle of the night as a message to other pirates, but thats just me.
 
And I bet many of them feel the same way about you...

How to become an American hero:

1) Sail too close to Somalia.
2) Allow your ship to be boarded on the high seas (which is virtually impossible to accomplish if you know what you are doing).
3) Fend off the 'pirate' attacks by allowing them to take your captain hostage.
4) Profit by enjoying your 15 minutes of fame.

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Ken Quinn holds his 3-year-old son, Jason, as hundreds cheer the second mate's safe return on Tuesday to Main Street in Lakewood Ranch near Bradenton. Quinn was part of the crew that fought off a hijacking by Somali pirates earlier this month on the Maersk Alabama. The attack and subsequent rescue of the captain, Richard Phillips, cast Quinn and the rest of the crew into the spotlight.

http://blogs.tampabay.com/talk/2009/04/links-from-the-times-for-april-22.html

The flip side of the coin. An apparent 5'2" juvenile will likely spend the rest of his life in prison:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article994213.ece

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NEW YORK — Abdiwali Abdiqadir Muse grew up destitute in Somalia, the oldest of 12 kids and the product of a violent, lawless nation where his parents scraped together a few dollars a day selling milk and tending to a small herd of camels, cows and goats.

He eventually joined a gang of pirates who laid siege to an American cargo ship on April 8 and took the captain hostage before three of them were killed by Navy snipers. Muse survived but was stabbed in the hand, telling a crew member after the attack that it was always his dream to come to America.

On Tuesday, the teenager made it to America under circumstances far from idyllic, appearing in a packed federal courtroom in New York on what are believed to be the first piracy charges in the United States in more than a century.

Prosecutors portrayed him as the brazen ringleader of the pirates who shot at the ship's captain and bragged about prior acts of piracy.

But the bravado authorities say Muse displayed as the first pirate to board the Maersk Alabama on April 8 had evaporated by the time he entered the courtroom.

The 5-foot-2 Muse looked bewildered and so scrawny that his prison clothes were several sizes too big. He had a frayed white bandage where he was stabbed.

When his court-appointed lawyer said Muse's father would be interviewed in Somalia to verify his birth date, Muse put his head in his hand and broke down in tears. When the judge asked him if he understood that court-appointed lawyers would represent him, the teenager responded through a translator: "I understand. I don't have any money."

Muse was charged with piracy, conspiracy and brandishing and firing a gun during a conspiracy. The most serious count carries a mandatory sentence of life in prison.

The government says he is 18. A federal judge agreed Tuesday, ruling that Muse is an adult and that the case can proceed in open court. But his lawyers said they are going to continue to investigate his age and believe that he will ultimately be exonerated.

Defense lawyer Deirdre von Dornum said she has had to reassure Muse that the American justice system is fair because he knows only the anarchy that has ruled Somalia. She said he smiled before a gaggle of news cameras upon his arrival to New York on Monday only because he had never seen a camera in his life.

"As you can tell, he's extremely young, injured and terrified," von Dornum said.

The crew member who stabbed Muse said Tuesday that the teenager counted himself lucky to raid a U.S. ship.

"He was surprised he was on a U.S. ship. He kept asking, 'You all come from America?' Then he claps and cheers and smiles. He caught himself a big fish," said crew member ATM "Zahid" Reza. Muse planned to demand at least $3 million, Reza said.

Reza said Muse told him it was his dream to come to America. "His dreams come true, but he comes to the U.S. Not as a visitor, but as a prisoner," Reza said.
 
And I bet many of them feel the same way about you...

How to become an American hero:

1) Sail too close to Somalia.
2) Allow your ship to be boarded on the high seas (which is virtually impossible to accomplish if you know what you are doing).
3) Fend off the 'pirate' attacks by allowing them to take your captain hostage.
4) Profit by enjoying your 15 minutes of fame.

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http://blogs.tampabay.com/talk/2009/04/links-from-the-times-for-april-22.html

The flip side of the coin:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article994213.ece

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LOL, never do miss a chance, do ya? Besides, what did that guy ever do to you that you have to berate him? I'm all for having compassion for Muse, but needed to attack the other guys character did ya now?
 
Yeah. There's nothing wrong with advocating the murder of people whom you suspect of being pirates, right?
 
For all intents and purposes, yes.

It was a UN mandate after all :D

I remember when the UN gave an order to dismantle a terrorist group in Kosovo. They do a lot of heavy action; a Task Force is the same size fleet that went to Iraq and the Falklands.
 
A task force can be one ship of twenty ships, it is not a description of size. It is just a force, with a task.
 
Yeah. There's nothing wrong with advocating the murder of people whom you suspect of being pirates, right?

Dude, they tried to kidnap them, threaten their lives, and ransom off them off for money. Yea, they are going to be emotional...:rolleyes:

Do you get rude with other victims of kidnapping, attempted murder, and other like crimes?

Wait, you do understand that the people on the Hijacked boats are victims, right? They are fired at, and threaten with kidnapping and death.
 
Just a few hours after that hijack, pirates further north in the Gulf of Aden attacked a Marshall Islands-flagged tanker with small arms and rockets. Fernandes said that ship, the Handytankers Magic, issued a distress call shortly after dawn but escaped the pirates using "speed and maneuvers."

A Dutch frigate from the NATO force responded immediately to the tanker's distress call. It trailed the pirates "on a small white skiff, which tried to evade and proceed toward a Yemeni-flagged fishing dhow" that had been sized by the pirates a week ago, Fernandes said.

He said pirates were using the Yemeni vessel as a "mother ship," a boat that allows the pirates' tiny skiffs to operate far off the Somali coast.

The pirates boarded the dhow and Dutch marine commandos followed soon after, freeing 20 fishermen whose nationalities were not known. There was no exchange of fire and Dutch forces seized seven Kalashnikov rifles and one rocket-propelled grenade launcher.

Seven Somali pirates were detained, but they were soon released because "NATO does not have any detainment policy," Fernandes said. The seven could not be arrested or held because they were seized by Dutch nationals and neither the pirates, the victims nor the ship were Dutch, he explained.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iPPJ5oeH8vFtPkAUfYR0QS4NEbcQD97L2JDG0


That'll teach 'em! :mischief:
 
Wait, you do understand that the people on the Hijacked boats are victims, right? They are fired at, and threaten with kidnapping and death.

Every "free citizen" of United $tate$ is an oppressor. ;)
 
It implies that the government is commiting, so in practise it's a large unit, but in theory it could be anything

No it does not mean "in practice it is a large unit," it means that in practice it is anywhere from a partrol boat to a CSG. You are wrong, period.

There are task forces all over the place, and depending on events some go long periods without any ships whatsoever.
 
Dude, they tried to kidnap them, threaten their lives, and ransom off them off for money. Yea, they are going to be emotional...:rolleyes:.

So that constitutes sufficient reason to murder anybody you suspect of being a 'pirate'? Do you feel the same way about people you suspect of being 'terrorists' as well?

Do you get rude with other victims of kidnapping, attempted murder, and other like crimes?

How am I being 'rude' with a US sailor who is now being treated as a hero for doing essentially nothing besides his job, albeit quite poorly?

Wait, you do understand that the people on the Hijacked boats are victims, right? They are fired at, and threaten with kidnapping and death.

Did I even suggest such a thing?

And have they ever killed anybody yet? Don't you think that policy will now likely change if they capture another American ship and feel threatened in any way?

And stupid victims? Yes, they likely are. It is virtually impossible for a handful of poorly armed teenage 'pirates' to actually board and commandeer a ship on the high seas.
 
And stupid victims? Yes, they likely are. It is virtually impossible for a handful of poorly armed teenage 'pirates' to actually board and commandeer a ship on the high seas.

I's not hard for a group of armed kids to take an unarmed ship whose commander has no guns and does not want to enddanger his men
 
So that constitutes sufficient reason to murder anybody you suspect of being a 'pirate'? Do you feel the same way about people you suspect of being 'terrorists' as well?

he wasnt suspected of being a pirate, he was known to be a pirate:rolleyes:

How am I being 'rude' with a US sailor who is now being treated as a hero for doing essentially nothing besides his job, albeit quite poorly?

i doubt he signed up to fight pirates.

Did I even suggest such a thing?

And have they ever killed anybody yet? Don't you think that policy will now likely change if they capture another American ship and feel threatened in any way?
no they didnt kill them, they just took them hostage and demanded large amounts of money for there safe return
And stupid victims? Yes, they likely are. It is virtually impossible for a handful of poorly armed teenagers
they have RPG's and AK's , not exactly poorly armed.

TBH i dont know if you're just stupid or a troll. :rolleyes:, the two arent mutually exclusive however so i guess its both.
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I's not hard for a group of armed kids to take an unarmed ship whose commander has no guns and does not want to enddanger his men

It is when you can't board them on the high seas while underway. Most ships have a small platform at sea level with a stairway leading up to the deck, but it can be easily destroyed or defended if they had any warning at all of impending attack. The ship can also maneuver to make landing on the platform almost impossible in the first place.

My bet is that they didn't even know the pirates were there until they were already onboard and taking over the ship. That's basic incompetence in those waters given all the other recent attacks.
 
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