Plane Crashes Into Home Near Buffalo, 49 Killed

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Yes people die every day from fires and such but as this was a commuter plane crash i figured it was a bit more important news. Especially since its in the US, where airplane crashing fears are really high after 9/11.(And also obviously because this crash occurred in the state of New York.)
Just wondering your guys take on it and wondering if you think itll shoot up more fears that are already high in the US. Not every day you see a plane crash, one with more than 1-2 people on it at that.

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BREAKING NEWS — A commuter plane crashed into a suburban Buffalo home and erupted in flames late Thursday, killing all 48 people aboard and one person on the ground, authorities said.

Flames silhouetted the shattered home after Continental Connection Flight 3407 plummeted into it around 10:20 p.m. The 74-seat Q400 Bombardier aircraft, operated by Colgan Air, was flying from Newark Liberty International Airport in New Jersey to Buffalo Niagara International Airport in light snow, fog and 17 mph winds.

It was the first fatal crash of a commercial airliner in the United States since Aug. 27, 2006, when 49 people were killed after a Comair jetliner took off from a Lexington, Ky., runway that was too short.

"The whole sky was lit up orange," Bob Dworak, who lives less than a mile from the crash site, told The Associated Press. He said that residents of the neighborhood, about 10 miles from the Buffalo airport, were used to planes rumbling overhead, but he took note Thursday night when one sounded louder than usual, sputtered and made some odd noises.

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Doug Hartmayer, a spokesman for the Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority that operates the airport, said it was unknown if the airport reported any trouble.

"There is an extensive investigation as we speak," Hartmayer said. "There was very little or any communication before the crash."

"The plane simply dropped off the radar screen," he said.

The National Transportation Safety Board planned a 4 a.m. news conference in Clarence; Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Laura Brown said the agency would join a team investigating the scene at sunrise.

Witness Tony Tatro said he saw the plane flying low and knew it was in trouble.

"It was not spiraling at all. The left wing was a little low," he told WGRZ-TV.

Before the crash, the voice of a female pilot on Flight 3407 can be heard communicating with air traffic controllers, according to a recording of the Buffalo air traffic control's radio messages shortly before the crash captured by the Web site www.liveatc.net. Neither the controller nor the pilot exchanges any concerns that anything is out of the ordinary as the airplane is asked to fly at 2,300 feet.

A minute later, the controller tries to contact the plane but hears no response. After a pause, he tries to contact the plane again.

Then the controller asks the pilot of a nearby Delta Air Lines plane to see whether he can see the Continental flight. The Delta pilot says no.

About three to four minutes after that, he tells an unidentified listener to contact authorities on the ground in the Clarence area.

"You need to find if anything is on the ground," the controller says. "All I can tell you is the aircraft is over the marker (landing beacon), and we're not talking to them now."

Later, he tells all aircraft monitoring the same frequency: "We did have a Dash 8 over the marker that didn't make the airport. He appears to be about five miles away from the airport."

The newest member of Bombardier's Dash-8 class aircraft, the Q400 had its first flight in 1998 and entered commercial service in February 2000.

Houston-based Continental Airlines issued a statement saying that preliminary information showed the plane carried 44 passengers and a crew of four.

"At this time, the full resources of Colgan Air's accident response team are being mobilized and will be devoted to cooperating with all authorities responding to the accident and to contacting family members and providing assistance to them," the statement said.

Chris Kausner of Clarence, believing his sister was on the plane, rushed to a hastily established command center after calling his vacationing mother in Florida to break the news.

"To tell you the truth, I heard my mother make a noise on the phone that I've never heard before. So not good, not good," he told reporters.

He told The Buffalo News his sister, Ellyce, was a law student at Florida Coastal University in Jacksonville and on her way home for a visit.

Clarence emergency control director Dave Bissonette says the crash also killed one person on the ground.

Clarence is a growing eastern suburb of Buffalo, largely residential but with rural stretches. The crash site is a street of older, single-family homes which apparently back up to wooded area.

Manassas, Va.-based Colgan Air said in a statement that airline personnel and local authorities were working to confirm the number of people on board and their identities.

Twelve homes were evacuated near the crash site, about 10 miles from the airport. The tail or part of a wing was visible through flames and thick smoke that engulfed the scene. While the fire was contained, smoke still billowed over the scene about four hours later. Houses in the neighborhood are only about 20-25 feet apart.

"The fact that the damage is limited to the one residence is really amazing," said state police spokeswoman Rebecca Gibbons.

As family members of the victims trickled in to the airport in the overnight hours, they were escorted by airport personnel to a private area.

Erie County Executive Chris Collins described the crash site as "surreal," with the tail of the plane sticking out of the ground.

The aircraft, carrying 5,000 pounds of fuel, apparently exploded on impact, he said. He said it hit only one home that happened to be next to a firehouse, allowing rescuers to arrive in seconds.

"The firefighters were on that scene immediately, attempting to rescue anyone who could have been rescued," Collins said. "What I've been told is that they got as close to the plane as they could. They were shouting out to see if there were any survivors on the plane. Truly a very heroic effort, but there were no survivors."

Two women believed to be residents of the neighborhood were being treated at Millard Fillmore Suburban Hospital for what were described as non-life-threatening injuries, hospital spokesman Michael Hughes said.

They were transported by ambulance at approximately 11:35 p.m.

The crash came less than a month after a US Airways pilot guided his crippled plane to a landing in the Hudson River off Manhattan, saving the lives of all 155 people aboard. Birds had apparently disabled both its engines.

On Dec. 20, a Continental Airlines plane veered off a runway and slid into a snowy field at the Denver airport, injuring 38 people.

Continental's release said relatives and friends of those on Flight 3407 who wanted to give or receive information about those on board could telephone a special family assistance number, 1-800-621-3263.
 
Yes people die every day from fires and such but as this was a commuter plane crash i figured it was a bit more important news. Especially since its in the US, where airplane crashing fears are really high after 9/11.(And also obviously because this crash occurred in the state of New York.)
Just wondering your guys take on it and wondering if you think itll shoot up more fears that are already high in the US. Not every day you see a plane crash, one with more than 1-2 people on it at that.

It might create some initial fear of flying reactions, but it really won't make that much of an impact. The last fatal airline crash in the US was in August 2006. The last US fatal airline crash of a mainline airliner (not a regional aircraft) was November 2001. While we have had some close calls recently (Hudson River and Denver), the reality is flying is still one of the safest modes of transportation out there.

My take on this particular accident is that icing was probably the ultimate cause of the crash. Not sure if it was mechanical (i.e. the de-icing equipment on the aircraft was not functioning properly) or crew error (i.e. forgot to turn on said de-icing equipment).

P.S. - do you get ALL of your news from Fox? (not saying there is anything wrong with this story, just an observation)
 
What's so special about the buffalo?
 
It might create some initial fear of flying reactions, but it really won't make that much of an impact. The last fatal airline crash in the US was in August 2006. The last US fatal airline crash of a mainline airliner (not a regional aircraft) was November 2001. While we have had some close calls recently (Hudson River and Denver), the reality is flying is still one of the safest modes of transportation out there.

My take on this particular accident is that icing was probably the ultimate cause of the crash. Not sure if it was mechanical (i.e. the de-icing equipment on the aircraft was not functioning properly) or crew error (i.e. forgot to turn on said de-icing equipment).

P.S. - do you get ALL of your news from Fox? (not saying there is anything wrong with this story, just an observation)

Although I don't use Fox, a university study found it was one of the most balanced it terms of how centrist it is. Of course what is considered centrist in the US may be different than that of other countries. That study was done during the campaign.This is all, IIRC. :lol:
 
Although I don't use Fox, a university study found it was one of the most balanced it terms of how centrist it is. Of course what is considered centrist in the US may be different than that of other countries. That study was done during the campaign.This is all, IIRC. :lol:

I wasn't really interested in derailing this thread... I've just come to notice that pretty much any news link FCF provides comes from Fox, and I was curious if he ever used any other media source. Also (at further risk of derailment) - do you have a link to the study you mention?
 
Very sad news. New York is a really bad state to fly in I guess.

FrenchCivFan - are Americans still scared of flying, 7 1/2 years after 9/11? I don't think so. Everyones got to fly. How else are you gonna get around?
 
Although I don't use Fox, a university study found it was one of the most balanced it terms of how centrist it is. Of course what is considered centrist in the US may be different than that of other countries. That study was done during the campaign.This is all, IIRC. :lol:

Of course they are. Because you seem to remember once reading an article about a "univeristy study" that claimed it was so:

Economic Left/Right: 10.00

http://www.slate.com/id/2119864/

Even we at Fox News manage to get some lefties on the air occasionally, and often let them finish their sentences before we club them to death and feed the scraps to Karl Rove and Bill O'Reilly. And those who hate us can take solace in the fact that they aren't subsidizing Bill's bombast; we payers of the BBC license fee don't enjoy that peace of mind.

Fox News is, after all, a private channel and our presenters are quite open about where they stand on particular stories. That's our appeal. People watch us because they know what they are getting. The Beeb's institutionalized leftism would be easier to tolerate if the corporation was a little more honest about it.

I don't think it's too much of an exaggeration to compare Norvell's op-ed to the Vatican's belated admission, after 359 years, that Galileo had it right when he said the earth revolved around the sun. Now how about a prime time seppuku by Fox News chief Roger Ailes? Failing that, maybe ABC News could lend Barbara Walters or Diane Sawyer for Ailes' weepy confession. Hey, there, funny face, where's the broken-winged sparrow underneath that tough-guy exterior? Fox News has little to lose in terms of credibility—sensible viewers discounted Fox News for conservative bias years ago—and everything to gain in terms of heightened visibility. Say it with me, Roger: "Eppur si muove!" Doesn't that feel good?
 
FrenchCivFan - are Americans still scared of flying, 7 1/2 years after 9/11? I don't think so. Everyones got to fly. How else are you gonna get around?


Im more afraid of missing my flight because some high school dropout TSA employee slows the security line to a crawl while checking shoes and contact lense fluid.
 
Of course they are. Because you seem to remember once reading an article about a "univeristy study" that claimed it was so:



http://www.slate.com/id/2119864/

Ok, go ahead and bash Fox News, I don't really like them on any level. Just one question.

What the hell is Slate Magazine?

Oh, and this accident only increases my flight paranoia even more! It's terrible, all the accidents seem to happen in NY State.
 
Oh, and this accident only increases my flight paranoia even more! It's terrible, all the accidents seem to happen in NY State.

Do you also fear getting in your car and driving across town?
 
I do. You should too if you live around here. :p

Indeed... and I have to drive 20 miles to work in rush hour! My point is that your changes of getting hurt or killed while driving or riding in your car are MUCH greater than getting hurt or killed on a flight on a US airliner.
 
What the hell is Slate Magazine?
Did you hit the home button and read the "About Us" link? Or did you want someone to do that for you?
 
The death toll is now 50, including the one person on the ground who was possibly a child.

Additionaly sad that one of the vicitims was teh widow of someone who was a victim of 9/11

Buffalo is not far from here, my condolences to our friends over the river (and the family of the one form this side of the border) :(

And please take the FOX news debate to another thread.
 
I bet more people die in a car crash today across the US than died in the plane crash in buffalo. Statistically speaking, accounting for time differences and other facts,

In the US one has a 1 in 83 chance of dying in a car crash in their lifetime. For an airplane, its 1 in 5000

Do the math.
 
Do more people get killed by buffaloes than in plane crashes?
 
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