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I don't know if my premise is good, but if the time elapsing from clicking "search" to getting the results in search option is connected to the number of threads containing the keyword, then Poland gets a bit more attention at CFC than Mexico, but twice less than Japan;
Huh? I think you're suffering from confirmation bias here. I sure as hell didn't notice Poland getting that much attention. Venezuela gets more attention than them. So does Iran, Iraq, Israel, North Korea, China, US, Russia, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, and UK. I think you're mistaken that Poland gets so much attention simply because of recent threads. Dude, I see Romania mentioned in threads more often than Poland.
You have to neutralize threads about Anime et al, which aren't about Japan, just something from Japan.
Eskel
Warlord
Poland gains so much attention becuse it asks for it...Obvious, isnt it?
But putting jokes aside - it was one of the europeans hot spots - places of possible conflict.
Why? I guess that Poland's Partition deeply destabilized balance od powers in this part of Europe, and gave birth to many opposite territorial claims(of different nations), some that till today remain unresolved.
There are such places of conflict all over the world: Balkans, Palestina, Korea and so on...Lot of them mentioned in world's mass media much more often.
Some people will say, there is danger of conflict in this part of Europe right now. Maybe it is seems true, but it is not - tensions still exist. Many factors indicate, that we are in sphere of Russia's influence in both military and political terms, but also - what is particulary important - in terms of economy, with energy and gas and oil supply at first place.
Problem is that we do not want to be subordinates - we still cannot accept political and social model preferred and used in contemporary Russia (I mean business oligarchs, and theirs ties to Kremlin, vanishing journalists, Khodorkovsky in labour camp etc.)
Above statement applies to Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia as well. Any conflict in those countries can easily extend upon us - and we know that in any case of such conflict we will only lose.
Polish people live with the knowledge of loss and defeat - Partition first, and WW II being second case in our history when our country was wiped off the maps.again. In both those cases, lost propaganda and diplomatic wars, played important role.
Polish jokes some ppl posted even here, on CFC, prove, that we still suffer from them.
We do not want to be victims of geopolitics this time. Thats why we make so much noise, in hope that remeberance of these facts will prevent this occur again in future.
But putting jokes aside - it was one of the europeans hot spots - places of possible conflict.
Why? I guess that Poland's Partition deeply destabilized balance od powers in this part of Europe, and gave birth to many opposite territorial claims(of different nations), some that till today remain unresolved.
There are such places of conflict all over the world: Balkans, Palestina, Korea and so on...Lot of them mentioned in world's mass media much more often.
Some people will say, there is danger of conflict in this part of Europe right now. Maybe it is seems true, but it is not - tensions still exist. Many factors indicate, that we are in sphere of Russia's influence in both military and political terms, but also - what is particulary important - in terms of economy, with energy and gas and oil supply at first place.
Problem is that we do not want to be subordinates - we still cannot accept political and social model preferred and used in contemporary Russia (I mean business oligarchs, and theirs ties to Kremlin, vanishing journalists, Khodorkovsky in labour camp etc.)
Above statement applies to Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia as well. Any conflict in those countries can easily extend upon us - and we know that in any case of such conflict we will only lose.
Polish people live with the knowledge of loss and defeat - Partition first, and WW II being second case in our history when our country was wiped off the maps.again. In both those cases, lost propaganda and diplomatic wars, played important role.
Polish jokes some ppl posted even here, on CFC, prove, that we still suffer from them.
We do not want to be victims of geopolitics this time. Thats why we make so much noise, in hope that remeberance of these facts will prevent this occur again in future.
Oh right, I forgot, there's the entire nationalistic victimhood complex that tends to annoy people.
Armenia 0,82 seconds
Ukraine 0,96 seconds
Vietnam 1,55 seconds
Brazil: 2,02 seconds
South Africa 2,25 seconds
Poland: 2,27 seconds
Turkey: 2,38 seconds
Spain: 5,05 second
Japan: 5,63 seconds
India: 5,98 seconds
for comparison
France 9,35
Germany 10,45
Ukraine 0,96 seconds
Vietnam 1,55 seconds
Brazil: 2,02 seconds
South Africa 2,25 seconds
Poland: 2,27 seconds
Turkey: 2,38 seconds
Spain: 5,05 second
Japan: 5,63 seconds
India: 5,98 seconds
for comparison
France 9,35
Germany 10,45
The Israel/Palestine cluster. .. .. .. . is way squeakier than Poland!
lil' Kim and Ferret face try to be as squeaky as they can too, although the media hype around them seems to finally be fading
Although i agree that Poland is part of the Axis of Attention Whores
I never heard anyone claim that Poland is part of West Europe, as if the claim that they are part of a "Central Europe" is already hilarious enough...
Eskel
Warlord
One more thing. I dont think Poland is discussed that much, really, taking into consideration general Polish player activity in this forum. There are just 2, maybe 3 threads concerning Poland and its history. I guess that for some people eveything above zero is "too much".
Started earlier than that, I believe.
Maybe because only within past few days you have started 3 threads about them?
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Because the Poles are generally prone to hijacking all discussions and turning them into discussions about Poland and it's newest grievance.
(which is why I am going to start a thread about the Czech rep. now
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(which is why I am going to start a thread about the Czech rep. now
)
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Poland is talked about on here a lot because Poland is a meme, and memes come up a lot, because they're memes.
Meme.
Meme.
A forced meme. Like Seaking, Milhouse, and Girugamesh. Equally as devoid of value.
Eskel
Warlord
One general suggestion:
If you dont want to read sooooo muuuuch about Poland, just ignore those threads and do not start threads about Poland by yourselves.
We are blessed by wonders of Internet, which allows to focus on interesting topics and avoid not wanted ones.
Quite simply isn't it?
If you dont want to read sooooo muuuuch about Poland, just ignore those threads and do not start threads about Poland by yourselves.
We are blessed by wonders of Internet, which allows to focus on interesting topics and avoid not wanted ones.
Quite simply isn't it?
For CFC in general: It seems to have all started with the release of BtS, and people complaining that the new civs included weren't very good. Specifically, the Holy Roman Empire being included... Other nations mentioned are already in the game, or are seen as less of historical civilizations than Poland.
TheLastOne36
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TIMELINE OF POLAND IN CFC
In a nutshell.
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- TLO get's in his first arguement in the 'Which civs should be added to the next expansion pack if there will be one' thread in Civ Warlords the winter before BTS is announced. TLO spends his time, and argues about 50 pages of Polish discussion on that thread. Thread becomes most post about thread in ALL of the Civilization IV forum before several modpacks and the 'Funny Screenshots' thread surpasses it.
- BTS is announced. Several heated discussions pop up in the newly created BTS forum. About 15 or so threads were made and closed about Poland's inclusion into BtS. Majority of those threads had more than 10 pages.
- One night, the makers of BtS held up a controlled by mods, Chat about BtS and the new features and any questions about it. TLO asks "Will there be any inclusion of an Eastern European Civilization as there is only 1 in the Game, Russia." The makers replied, "There is Byzantine Empire, Russia and the newest civ, The Holy Roman Empire! Eastern Europe will now have 3 civilizations, Russia, Byzantines and HRE."
- The announcement of HRE sparks another huge thread fault by your's truly. This is the turning point of BtS Forum. People know knew the designers were ignorants idiots who thought the Byzantines and HRE were Eastern European, and that HRE was picked over Poland.
- Civ 4 BtS forum goes to all time low. Every second thread is a Polish vs HRE/whatever arguement. Polish Hijacks are common, and begin with just the slightest mention of Poland. ( "Oh I think Poland should be added instead" by random members with 1 post.)
- Methos becomes mod, his first task is to put an end to this, and closes down all the Polish threads and makes one 'Discuss Poland' thread in BtS forum. Surprisingly, we found out that their was a CFC law. 'Every thread will be hijacked into a Polish thread at the first mention of it, except for a thread FOR Poland.'
- The thread eventually catches on, and became another superhuge thread where your's truly got the thread over 50 pages
- Methos closes down his own thread in shame.
- Polish fever has dropped at this point. TLO joins Off Topic
- within my first months, we have gone through two huge threads about Poland in OT.
- we take a half a month break, than we start the first Poland is eastern/central europe thread. It was the big one, Me Winner, Redy, Pokurcz and Warpus were on one side and the rest of OT on the other.
- Thread get's closed down. We take another half a month break
- We continue the pattern with another Central vs Eastern thread, take another half year break, a new one is made, another half month, then i make the big one in response to me accidently hijacking a thread.
- Big one lasts a long time, we discussed lots of stuff, like the definition of Europe, what is Europe and what isn't, is turkey apart of Europe, Is Ireland part of the British Isles, and most importantly Poland. We got defeated here and shut up because someone posted a list of posts of mine in the good ole days where i called Poland Eastern Europe to try to convince people to include it in BtS. (what sounds more appealing? Add another civ to Central Europe, or 'There is only 1 civ in Eastern Europe, Russia, Compared t othe -#- of Western European nations. Include Poland and fix the balance!' But we were shut up regardless.
- To this day i don't think we got into much more Poland arguements, due to the defeat in the last one, and the fact that we'd just be flamed, and that the whole thing became a joke.
- To this day, nobody has came up with a proper arguement for Central Europe being part of Eastern Europe other than Central Europe being Slavic (So what? slavic groups aren't even that close) or being part of the Warsaw Pact. (20 years have passed bub).
In a nutshell.
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