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(poll) What civs would you like to see in a hypothetical third expansion?

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by Krajzen, Feb 6, 2019.

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What 8 civs would you like in a third expansion?

  1. Babylon

    126 vote(s)
    58.6%
  2. Portugal

    136 vote(s)
    63.3%
  3. Maya

    157 vote(s)
    73.0%
  4. Byzantium

    119 vote(s)
    55.3%
  5. Ethiopia

    113 vote(s)
    52.6%
  6. Italy

    63 vote(s)
    29.3%
  7. Vietnam

    93 vote(s)
    43.3%
  8. Morocco/Moors

    63 vote(s)
    29.3%
  9. Assyria

    53 vote(s)
    24.7%
  10. Austria

    39 vote(s)
    18.1%
  11. Burma

    17 vote(s)
    7.9%
  12. Chola/Tamil

    18 vote(s)
    8.4%
  13. Timurids

    16 vote(s)
    7.4%
  14. Armenia

    35 vote(s)
    16.3%
  15. Afghanistan

    13 vote(s)
    6.0%
  16. Hittites

    46 vote(s)
    21.4%
  17. Benin

    16 vote(s)
    7.4%
  18. Ashanti

    23 vote(s)
    10.7%
  19. Swahilli

    29 vote(s)
    13.5%
  20. Zimbabwe

    12 vote(s)
    5.6%
  21. Bulgaria

    23 vote(s)
    10.7%
  22. Bohemia

    12 vote(s)
    5.6%
  23. Ireland

    31 vote(s)
    14.4%
  24. Romania

    27 vote(s)
    12.6%
  25. Goths

    37 vote(s)
    17.2%
  26. Gran Colombia

    42 vote(s)
    19.5%
  27. Mughals

    25 vote(s)
    11.6%
  28. Olmec, Toltec, Zapotec etc

    19 vote(s)
    8.8%
  29. Navajo

    63 vote(s)
    29.3%
  30. Native Americans - other than Navajo

    72 vote(s)
    33.5%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. britishash

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    The two civs I really wanted too pick first in my top 8, the Icceni (Lead by Boudicca from civ 5) and Ancient Isreal are both not available to pick!!

    So after reading through all the available civs, here are my top 5, that are not even vote options
    1) The Iceni - (If you ever go to Comic Con, Bouddica is still the most popular leader girl fans dress up as)
    2) Ancient Isreal/ Judah - so important to the Ancient history period
    3) A new version of a 'one-city ony' type civ like Venice from Civ 5, this time Vatican City, (but would be open to Troy)
    4) The Gauls - would be fun, seeing a 2nd leader for Rome going up against these guys
    5) The Huns - (they destroyed the Roman Empire, what more could you ask for?)
     
  2. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

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    Please, never let Boudica be in the game again. If we absolutely must have the Britons with a female leader, let it be Cartimandua and let her not be a ridiculous romanticized stereotype like the previous games' depictions of Boudica.

    No matter how narrowly or broadly you define the Roman Empire, this isn't really true. Putting a date on the fall of the Western Roman Empire is no simple task, but even the traditional date of 476 (the deposition of Romulus Augustulus) was several decades after Attila--and the Eastern Roman Empire would persist until 1453. To borrow a line from T.S. Eliot, (Western) Rome ended "not with a bang but a whimper."
     
  3. Boris Gudenuf

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    Amen.
    IF we must have another Civ from the British Isles, the Irish, Welsh, or Picts all make better candidates - even Alfred as an alternative "English" leader would be a better idea.

    The Huns were as close to a 'one shot wonder' as they come in world history. One leader: Attila (who guaranteed he'd be a singular leader by killing off his own brother, and left no effective heirs). I would argue that the best way to include the Huns in Civ VI would be as Barbarian Horse Archers with the ability to lower enemy units; factors (because the Huns scared the stuffing out of their European opponents) that can be hired by other Civs, as both the Eastern and Western Roman Empires hired them whenever they could.-Besides, with Scythians and Mongols both in the game already, we have enough non-nomadic city-building civ pretending to be historical nomads already.

    Besides, the Roman Empire was destroyed by - Rome. By having a 'tax farming' system that guaranteed that the government never got enough taxes to continue funding the army adequately, while at the same time they hired 'cheap' barbarians which simply trained the barbarians in all the Roman combat techniques until they were good enough to beat the Romans literally 'at their own game'.
     
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  4. Red_warning

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    My wish list

    • Denmark led by Margret I - Can be an alternative leader for Sweden and Norway as well. I just want that Scandinavian trio in game.
    • Sami led by Lars Levi Læstadius - An interesting people due to being an European culture while still living "primitive" lifestyles due to their isolated position. Could be a different leader, there is no central figure in Sami history.
    • Portugal led by Afonso I - Portugal really deserves to be in civ, being one of the main catalysts for the age of discovery.
    • Kingdom of Benin led by Ewuare - Small trade focused kingdom on the African gold coast. I just find them interesting.
    • South Africa led by Nelson Mandela - SA is one of Africa's most advanced economies, and Mandela is an inspiration to us all.
    • Gran Colombia led by Simón Bólivar - An interesting South American nation that had a huge impact on the continent, but wouldn't last.
    • Mexico led by Agustín de Iturbide - A internationally recognisable North American country that stands out among the Latino countries.
    • Bactria led by Demetrius I - An Indo-Greek nation. How awesome is that?
    • Mughal Empire led by Babur - An interesting nation that was as varied in climate as in culture.
    • Babylon led by Nebuchadnezzar II - I need Babylon in my life.
     
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  5. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

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    Well, not all of us...

    *Iranian-Greek. Considering Sogdia is sitting right next door and was not so heavily influenced by Greece as Bactria, I think they'd be the preferable Silk Road civilization. Civ7 doesn't need to be swimming in Hellenes and the Hellenized like Civ6 is.
     
  6. Red_warning

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    I picked Bactria because I find their merging of eastern and Greek culture to be fascinating, and Demetrius I because he expanded his kingdom further into India. That Bactria happens to lie on the silk road is nothing I took into consideration when I wrote the list :p
     
  7. ButtBillionaire

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    Glad to see the Sámi appear in another wishlist. I've been suggesting Elsa Laula Renberg as a potential leader. South Sámi activist who was very active in politics during her lifetime. The Sámi National Day takes its date, February 6th, from the day the first Sámi assembly began, which she initiated, and her granddaughter, who is alive today, was quoted by the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation as saying "I don't understand what that woman was made of." A statue of her was unveiled fairly recently, too. Plus, she's a woman, which fits nicely with Firaxis' desire to include more female leaders, if that's what they said - I don't remember exactly. But it makes up a miniscule part of why Elsa Laula is qualified, in my opinion. The amount of work she did should be a clear indicator that she was a very interesting personality.

    I'll admit I originally thought that Læstadius wasn't Sámi himself, but it seems like his mother was South Sámi and his father was Swedish. And he spoke both of their languages, plus Northern Sámi and Finnish. He seems like a very interesting person, too.
     
  8. Red_warning

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    Elsa seems like a better choice since she was politically active, unlike Læstadius. By the way, what do you think should be the sami unique unit? Thinking about it gives me a headache, since the sami to my knowledge never ever fought a war :lol:

    Maybe a unique early era shaman that acts as a medic? With a magic drum and all!
     
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  9. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

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    Yes, but I was saying IMO the fact that Bactria was Hellenized is an excellent reason to not pick them. We already have Pericles, Gorgo, Alexander, and Cleopatra for Hellenic or Hellenistic leaders. Sogdia has the advantage of being considerably less Hellenized than Bactria (though one cannot avoid some degree of Hellenization in Central Asia of that period, but at least the Sogdians retained their language and were as much influenced by India and China as they were the West). :p
     
  10. ButtBillionaire

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    I thought the same - the Noaidi, to be more specific.
     
  11. Red_warning

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    And what place do you think should be the capital? We have a number of towns in Sweden with Sami origin, they used to be old seasonal trading spots that later grew into towns when the merchants settled permanently. Towns such as Lycksele (Liksjovvene), Jukkasjärvi (Cohkkiras), Gällivare (Vahtjer), Jokkmokk (Dalvvadis) and many more. All of these towns are rather small, Lycksele has a population of 10 000 for instance. Kiruna (Giron) could be an alternative, with a population of 20 000 and being slightly more known, though personally I think that their history is more strongly tied to that of the Finns.

    I do not know much about towns of Sami origin in Norway though, but since Norway got by far the largest Sami population I assume some of them could be quite large?
     
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  12. Red_warning

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    We do have a lot of Greeks to choose from. Sadly my knowledge of the non-Hellenic states in that region is very weak :( but I guess any cultural crossroads nation from that part of the world could do it for me
     
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  13. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

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    Sogdia (Iranian), Kushan (Iranian), and Qara Khitai (para-Mongolian) are probably some of the better choices IMO. Some of the later Persianized Turkic states like the Ilkhanate could work, too.
     
  14. ButtBillionaire

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    Norway is quite sparsely populated in general, so I'm afraid you'd be mistaken. In fact, I think a significant portion of the Sámi population in Norway live in Oslo. We do have towns of Sámi origin, too, but they are all smaller than both Lycksele and Kiruna. The town I've been suggesting as capital is Kárášjohka (or Karasjok in Norwegian), which was also used as capital in the Civ5 Sámi mod. The Sámi Parliament of Norway and several other Sámi institutions are located there. Alternatively I suppose the towns where the other Sámi parliaments are located could work, too. In other words, Aanaar (Inari in Finnish) in Finland or, like you said, Giron in Sweden.

    The capital could also be leader-based. Elsa Laula seemed to have been mostly active from Mosjøen in Norway, or Mussere in her native language, while Læstadius was mostly active from Pajala. (which doesn't seem to have a Sámi name)
     
  15. Boris Gudenuf

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    Sogdia were the primary Middle Men trading the Silk Road - they are mentioned frequently in Chinese texts as traders, merchants, and caravan guards and guarantors, and seem to have dominated the east-west traffic. The Great or Golden Horde also made a good thing out of being astride the routes north of the Caspian Sea, but they are far too similar to their Mongol predecessors for my taste as a separate Civ. The original Central Asia go-betweens in trade from China to the west seem to have been the cities of the Taklamakhan basin, but they don't appear to have ever formed a single political unit: another 'City State' civ, which the Civ game really doesn't model well at all.
     
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  16. Zaarin

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    Indeed. That is why I've wanted them in the game for some time and why I think they're the ideal Central Asian/Silk Road civ.

    At some point in history that would be the Tocharians, right? That would be interesting...and rather bold of Firaxis.
     
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  17. Connor_CivFan

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    My votes: (A LOT OF RETURNEE'S in fact only 2 new civs)

    Babylon
    Maya
    Byzantium
    Morocco
    Assyria
    Ethiopia
    Romania
    Navajo
     
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  18. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    I could've used your help in writing a Social Studies essay about the fall of the Roman Empire back in Freshman year of High School. I struggled with it (my local library had few books about it) and got a bad grade.
    But I agree the Huns are a "One Shot wonder" and I'm not forward to seeing them return in Civ7.
     
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  19. Boris Gudenuf

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    "Tocharians" from roughly 1500 - 2000 BCE to 6-800 CE, although apparently the archeologists, linguistic studies folks and cultural anthropologists can no longer agree on where they came from, exactly which of 3 "Tocharian" languages was used for what (at least one is argued as a strictly liturgical language, but even that is uncertain). The points of agreement remain, however, that they were "Indo-European/Turkic" and that they built some very impressive cities - up to 80,000 population - that relied on extensive irrigation works to survive on the rim of the Taklamakhan desert. They would make a lovely choice for a Trade and Religion Civ (Kucha, the largest of the cities and possibly a regional Capital, was also a major center for Buddhist studies in the late Classical Era).

    The problem, as with some other Great Candidate Civs, is finding named Leaders. Although, at last count, there are over 7000 known Tocharian manuscripts, the great majority are religious writings and texts that don't tell us much about politics or internal history to give us a Leader selection.

    The area was later the center for the Kushan and Uyghur Khanates, so I could see including them as part of one of those slightly better-attested Civs, or, at least, add Kucha as a Religious And Trade/Commercial City State that rapidly spreads whatever Religion it gets to every city of Civ connected to it by a Trade Route. An Alternative Jerusalem with camels . . .

    I've been fascinated by them for some time, since they are a rare example of a definitely settled, 'urban' culture/Civ and population right in the middle of the so-called "Sea of Grass" steppes supposedly entirely populated by horse nomads since 1000 BCE.

    I took a minor in Education at university, but never officially taught in any civilian school. On the other hand, when I worked at Barnes & Noble, we would occasionally get some young person or family come in and ask what we had on a subject that they had to research for school. If it was anything historical, I got the call and would show them what we had and give them a critique of which books were most useful. My favorite was the afternoon a woman came in with her Junior High School son who had to write a report on the Battle of Kursk. It was a potential 'candid camera' moment, because I not only found them a half-dozen references in the store, but had them come back the next day so I could give him copies of my lecture notes and slides on the subject from when I lectured on the battle at the Gaming Artists and Manufacturers convention in Ohio a few years before!
    He got an 'A', by the way . . .

    And as said before, while the Huns are probably well-known, there are lots of other better and longer-lasting Predatory Pastoral Civs that could take their place in the game: even the Scythians, in fact, are a better choice, also Goths, Pechenegs, Kushans, Seljuks, Commache, or Lakotah would be more 'flexible' choices, with a variety of Civ-traits that could be turned into UAs, UUs, or UBs.
     
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  20. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

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    Yes, I've had quite an interest in the Tocharian languages for a variety of reasons, not least of all the myriad reasons they're not where they're "supposed to be" (an Indo-European language in western China...that's centum instead of satem--what?!). With the discovery of Tocharian C, I understand there's even some reason to believe that the Tokharoi, long thought a misidentification, may have in fact been Iranianized Tocharians.
     
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