[R&F] Poll: which are the last 4 R&F civs?

[WillowBrook]

@Eagle Pursuit - no plans to make a poll for last three civs, not enough has changed IMO; planning to do one for the last two right after Tuesday's First Look.

 

[Guandao]

I'm not feeling confident about the last three Civs I've voted for, Ottomans, Italy, and Celts...

Maybe the Ottomans are out due to Georgia (and being saved for a post-expansion DLC). Italy could be a City-State instead. Celts is more possible if that Chinese "leaker" was correct, but "Braveheart" could be the replacement Great General for Genghis Khan. The Zulus are a possibility if that leaker is to be believed, though not the African Civilization I was hoping for.
Not sure about the Incas getting in, maybe they are being saved for the next expansion. I don't think they will be placed in a post-expansion DLC.

 

[Havendish]

If the leak was for real, then it's Zulu - led by Shaka and Scotland led by William Wallace that are in, plus another Civ, likely Dido-led Carthage/Phoenicia. One of the remaining 3 is said to be led by a female so Dido makes good sense. However, it could be Queen Mary Stuart for the Scots instead of W.W. I've also heard rumors of Etruscans or Assyrians being in instead of Carthage, both would be great, especially the Etruscans. Italy, Inca, Byzantium and Ottomans should be in the 1st expansion as well though, if looking at historical significance. Also, not sure why the Hittite empire keeps getting omitted by Firaxis.

 

[Guandao]

If the leak was for real, then it's Zulu - led by Shaka and Scotland led by William Wallace that are in, plus another Civ, likely Dido-led Carthage/Phoenicia. One of the remaining 3 is said to be led by a female so Dido makes good sense. However, it could be Queen Mary Stuart for the Scots instead of W.W. I've also heard rumors of Etruscans or Assyrians being in instead of Carthage, both would be great, especially the Etruscans. Italy, Inca, Byzantium and Ottomans should be in the 1st expansion as well though, if looking at historical significance. Also, not sure why the Hittite empire keeps getting omitted by Firaxis.

Carthage has been ruled out by today's Livestream. Carthage still appears as a Militaristic City-State in that.
The Etruscans have a poorly understood language and would be in an area where a Civ already exists (Rome). So much for diversity.....

Firaxis probably knows little about what the Hittites did, and there's a language issue with them as well. If Gilgamesh can't speak Sumerian in Civ6, then whoever becomes the Hittite leader won't speak Hittite.

 

[Zaarin]

If the leak was for real, then it's Zulu - led by Shaka and Scotland led by William Wallace that are in, plus another Civ, likely Dido-led Carthage/Phoenicia. One of the remaining 3 is said to be led by a female so Dido makes good sense. However, it could be Queen Mary Stuart for the Scots instead of W.W. I've also heard rumors of Etruscans or Assyrians being in instead of Carthage, both would be great, especially the Etruscans. Italy, Inca, Byzantium and Ottomans should be in the 1st expansion as well though, if looking at historical significance. Also, not sure why the Hittite empire keeps getting omitted by Firaxis.

The CS Carthage was spotted in the livestream today. The Etruscan language is not well enough understood. I'm still very unconvinced about the leak, but if any part of it is true I suspect William Wallace will replace Genghis Khan as a Great General.

 

[DeepKing]

No Carthage really busts up my prediction, raises the chances for Ashanti (have we seen Kumasi?) or Mali, or even Zulu.

As for those leaks, I never thought of it but it very well could be William Wallace as a GG and the leaker could’ve been referencing the civilpedia page.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

After Tamar and India stream:
Inca, Ashanti, Ottomans
or: Inca, Songhai, Italy

 

[The Kingmaker]

Has anyone seen Toronto as a city-state? Canada could still be in the XP, perhaps as a foil for the Cree.

Shudder.

What about Kumasi?

 

[Zaarin]

Has anyone seen Toronto as a city-state? Canada could still be in the XP, perhaps as a foil for the Cree.

Shudder.

What about Kumasi?

That'll go over well. But I think we did see Toronto.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Has anyone seen Toronto as a city-state? Canada could still be in the XP, perhaps as a foil for the Cree.

Shudder.

What about Kumasi?

Toronto and Kumasi I think are the only ones not accounted for since we just ruled out Carthage and Yerevan today. The last one wasn't going to happen anyway.
Edit: Jerusalem, Nan Madol, and Hong Kong we haven't seen as well. Still Toronto is the most likely to become part of a Civ.

 

[The Kingmaker]

No Jerusalem sightings yet, eh? Well, hooray for the Hebrews. I'd absolutely love to see them, but unfortunately they're not very likely.

More likely to see "Mackenzie King leads Canada in Sid Meier's Civilization VI."

 

[Thormodr]

No Jerusalem sightings yet, eh? Well, hooray for the Hebrews. I'd absolutely love to see them, but unfortunately they're not very likely.

More likely to see "Mackenzie King leads Canada in Sid Meier's Civilization VI."

If Canada is going to be in Civ, it’s got to be Sir John, eh? McDonald.

As for the Hebrews, I’d love to see them too.

 

[God of Kings]

If Canada is going to be in Civ, it’s got to be Sir John, eh? McDonald.

Johnny "eh?" Mac vs. Poundmaker vs. Johnny "Iron" Curtin

Very interesting matchup

 

[Kheznik]

Jerusalem is unlikely to ever be anything other than a City-State, given that literally everybody has owned it at one point or another and would be sore to see it used as the capital of any specific civ... especially after recent Trumpian news.

So it's really down to Kumasi and Toronto. Canada's most likely going to come in a DLC rather than in R&F proper, and the ongoing lack of a Toronto CS in R&F shows that it'll come fairly soon after release. But I'd still really like confirmation on either; that there will be DLC after release; or at the very least, that there'll be a brand-new industrial City-State in R&F so that we can finally put this to rest.

The Ashanti seem to be the most likely R&F candidate right now, even in spite of that supposed Chinese leaker's claims that he saw the Zulu-- maybe he confused the Ashanti for them? Not the most impossible mistake to make, I guess; they were both warrior people who fought against the British. Besides, we still haven't seen a cultural civ in R&F, and the Ashanti could fill that niche (based purely on the fact that Kumasi is a cultural CS, as I know squat about the Ashanti irl). A brand-new cultural CS would also be nice to see at the very least.

It's kind of annoying that two of the most likely civ-able City-States have been teased for so long with virtually nothing to go off of, but I think by that fact alone it only increases their likeliness to appear. I mean, even Yerevan was kept hidden until Georgia was announced. That seemed pretty intentional to me. The Cree first look would've been the most ideal time to spoil Toronto as well, but alas.



Of course, besides those two, we've also yet to see a civ take advantage of the incredibly mysterious emergencies mechanics.

 

[Thormodr]

Jerusalem is unlikely to ever be anything other than a City-State, given that literally everybody has owned it at one point or another and would be sore to see it used as the capital of any specific civ... especially after recent Trumpian news.

So it's really down to Kumasi and Toronto. Canada's most likely going to come in a DLC rather than in R&F proper, and the ongoing lack of a Toronto CS in R&F shows that it'll come fairly soon after release. But I'd still really like confirmation on either; that there will be DLC after release; or at the very least, that there'll be a brand-new industrial City-State in R&F so that we can finally put this to rest.

The Ashanti seem to be the most likely R&F candidate right now, even in spite of that supposed Chinese leaker's claims that he saw the Zulu-- maybe he confused the Ashanti for them? Not the most impossible mistake to make, I guess; they were both warrior people who fought against the British. Besides, we still haven't seen a cultural civ in R&F, and the Ashanti could fill that niche (based purely on the fact that Kumasi is a cultural CS, as I know squat about the Ashanti irl). A brand-new cultural CS would also be nice to see at the very least.

It's kind of annoying that two of the most likely civ-able City-States have been teased for so long with virtually nothing to go off of, but I think by that fact alone it only increases their likeliness to appear. I mean, even Yerevan was kept hidden until Georgia was announced. That seemed pretty intentional to me. The Cree first look would've been the most ideal time to spoil Toronto as well, but alas.



Of course, besides those two, we've also yet to see a civ take advantage of the incredibly mysterious emergencies mechanics.

Canada would be the most likely to mesh with this emergency mechanic, I would think.

Lester B. Pearson is credited with the idea of Peacekeepers and won a Nobel Peace Prize for it.

“Canada's role as a peacekeeper throughout the world began in the 50's when Lester Pearson, Canada's ambassador to the UN suggested that the organization might create a peace keeping force. This force could be injected into a war or conflict area in order to maintain a ceasefire while the respective combatants negotiated an alternative solution to fighting. Canada is known throughout the world for it's readiness to contribute troops or support to peace keeping missions and has participated in more missions then any other country in the world. The missions listed on the left are the ones in which Canada has participated in and built a reputation for peace with.

The role of the United Nations supplying forces to keep the peace was first suggested by Mike Pearson, (Canadian Prime Minister) when he was serving at the UN as Canada's representative. This idea was not only adapted by has become one of the central fixtures in UN activities throughout the world. Pearson was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for the inspiration and Canada has become the most important and respected player in Peace keeping duties, for the UN, throughout the world.”

http://www.canadahistory.com/sections/war/Peace Keepers/peacekeeping.html

Of course, without a UN in the game, so far, that wouldn’t exactly fit, though.

 

[evanaurora]

the ongoing lack of a Toronto CS in R&F shows that it'll come fairly soon after release

I regard it as a little unlikely the devs have been deliberately conspiring to keep Toronto out of the first looks/livestreams I mean, afaik there's no easy way to pick which city states are in any given game, and I don't know why they'd bother anyway.

Its absence proves that Canada still technically could be in the game, but I wouldn't read more into it than that, especially any meaning as to future DLC.

 

[Phoenix1595]

I posted this on the Devs Play India thread, but wanted to again throw it out here:
Reyna the Financier wears an Incan outfit (and earrings). Just throwing that out there... into the ether... as we sit nerviously awaiting the possibility of the Inca returning...

 

[God of Kings]

I regard it as a little unlikely the devs have been deliberately conspiring to keep Toronto out of the first looks/livestreams I mean, afaik there's no easy way to pick which city states are in any given game, and I don't know why they'd bother anyway.

Its absence proves that Canada still technically could be in the game, but I wouldn't read more into it than that, especially any meaning as to future DLC.

Toronto may be in the maps generated for the R&F videos, but is not even shown in any of them. For all we know, the First Look videos may have Toronto hidden on the far end of the other continent from the civ being introduced.

 

[Ferocitus]

No Jerusalem sightings yet, eh? Well, hooray for the Hebrews. I'd absolutely love to see them, but unfortunately they're not very likely.

I'd prefer the Ashkenazi to Hebrews. Hebrews would be a fairly
standard type of civ. Ashkenazi could be more like Venice in Civ5.
And we'd get Yiddish as a bonus!

 

[evanaurora]

Toronto may be in the maps generated for the R&F videos, but is not even shown in any of them. For all we know, the First Look videos may have Toronto hidden on the far end of the other continent from the civ being introduced.

I find it even less likely that the devs are controlling where the city states spawn on the map....

What interest do they have in doing this? Either Toronto is still a city state, but has not yet been shown, or it's part of a (very unlikely) Canadian civ. If it's still a city state and in the game-- there's like, a dozen people who've been keeping track of these things. Is it really the most likely scenario that they wanted to fan the future-Canada speculation among those dozen people, so from the first they've been deliberately editing Toronto out of the videos and making sure their livestream games don't contain it????

It's just a lot of conspiracy for little reward in my view, lol