Pre-ChaNES: Into the Void

[Chandrasekhar]

what is in place works.

This other method works as well, and makes more sense in the context of existing physics. I'm also sure that you raised your own idea for an FTL mechanic, because I recall turning it down in favor of my own, or at the very least, not approving it for use in my NES. I'm really not sure why this point is so vitally important to you that you keep on pressing it.

 

[TerrisH]

OOC: Since you live in a fantasy world where you dismiss whatever I have to say as un-logic regardless of its veracity or content, and live in a fantasy world where somehow your own views on how the physical universe operates supersedes the actual operation of the physical universe, I really don't give a damn if you also live in a fantasy world where you consider it a victory that affirms your points when I write you off as a lost cause who's got his fingers in his ears and is going "LA-LA-LA-LA." Drop to my level? You got there a long time before I did.

Here's a nice example of real un-logic:


Right. Infinite acceleration. Planet TerrisH must be a pretty awesome place, what with thrown objects eternally hovering in the air. But what do I know? I'm just a lowly Physics Major. I clearly have no grasp of these concepts whatsoever. Revel in your amazing victory, Emperor of the Universe.

... sigh, and this is why a lot of people don't like to argue with you anymore. look, drop it. I am trying to not insult you, because that path is pointless. but you are pressing the line.


I do accpet being wrong about the time part. I was mistaken.

the acceleration is still instant and unfelt in my understanding. that's the core of the skip-fighters combat abilities. It's practicably worthless without it.

I still believe the current description works, as your equations come into play only if the particals impact the ship, not accelerated instantly to the ships speed by the field that surronds the ship while it travles. energy is still transphered, but through the sigma field, which dose increas the drives power draw on the ships reactors.

the Idea failed for other reason, so It's a failed point in the design that will be phased out of later designs.
It was also never intended to function as a ram scoop, that was a decpetion to divert your attention from the real purpose. chad has informed is is not going to work the way I intended it to function (to deflect the matter from the field, by the way). had it worked, the deception would have given me a few months production head start. lots of profit. but it failed, so meh.

 

[Azale]

... sigh, and this is why a lot of people don't like to argue with you anymore. look, drop it. I am trying to not insult you, because that path is pointless. but you are pressing the line.

*clears throat* lol, wut?

In other news...



Xiaoping System Sustains Highest Happiness Index

DENGJING, November 7 (XCNA) - For an incredible thirty years in a row the Xiaoping System has scored the highest cumulative score in the Happiness Index, a report by the Ministry of Harmony says. Xiaoping scored perfectly once more in "unwavering support of the State Security Council" as well as in "satisfaction with standard of living as provided by the enlightened Communist Party of China".

While Xiaoping led the way with a perfect 88.88 rating, the collective score of the Solar Federation was a meek 3.20. This is actually an indication of an incline in the score of the Solar Federation which stood at 0.22 five years before. Analysts agree that this is a sign of increased agitation of the oppressed people of the Federation and a backlash against tyrannical crackdowns of peaceful pro-PRC and pro-communist demonstrations across the Federation.

 

[North King]

OOC: Amusing, Azale, if nothing else.

 

[Chandrasekhar]

Congrats, Azale.

 

[Symphony D.]

... sigh, and this is why a lot of people don't like to argue with you anymore. look, drop it. I am trying to not insult you, because that path is pointless. but you are pressing the line.

why it works as it is. you do not need to to bow down and worship the un-logic that is symphony.

OOC: Uh huh. You're not trying to insult me. Which is why you did the one known thing absolutely guaranteed to piss me off to no end, which is ignore every damn thing I said rather than bother to actually look at the arguments. UN-LOGIC.

People don't like to argue with my anymore? No, you never argued with me to begin with. You have always done this ". .. .. .. ., I can't actually understand or beat his arguments--I will use ad hominem and just ignore what he says!" tactic. It's disgusting, it's sad, and it shows what a pathetic little troll you are that when I use your own tactics on you, you immediately turn around and cry foul despite, claiming I did it first.

You don't know physics. You don't know what you're talking about. You are using a bunch of fancy words which you don't honestly understand to try and articulate a point which doesn't make sense, and which is an unfaithful interpretation of what you supposedly support to begin with. And on top of all that, you're trying to play the victim by saying I'm willfully ignoring you, after you had already done so to me. Guess what? You suck at it. Go cry for mommy somewhere else, and don't presume to tell me how some extrapolation of the universe works when you haven't the foggiest damn idea how the real one does.

 

[Ekolite]

@Terris H and not in anyway Symphony D: Just try to ignore him, his ''arguments'' generally aren't worth looking at, let alone reading. He is the only troll here. I think if people stop trying to argue with him he will eventually realise that he's just making himself look like a tw@t and stop it.

 

[Symphony D.]

@Terris H and not in anyway Symphony D: Just try to ignore him, his ''arguments'' generally aren't worth looking at, let alone reading. He is the only troll here. I think if people stop trying to argue with him he will eventually realise that he's just making himself look like a tw@t and stop it.

OOC: Yes, look at me, using science and facts to prove points! Showing my work! Citing references! Not worth looking at or reading! Praise be to the Luddite corner for its stunning argument! Your own personal bias of hating me for the sake of hating me, demonstrated time and again, is surely not affecting your input at all, definitely not! Nobody but Symphony D. is UN-LOGIC!

You're no better than he is. I can't even begin to imagine how you people respond to real world problems. "BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU, YOU'RE GOING AWAY NOW, LA-LA-LA-LA!" I didn't know the NES forum had such an amazing high population of Kindergartners. SHOOT THE MESSENGER, BURN THE MESSAGE.

 

[Azale]

@Terris H and not in anyway Symphony D: Just try to ignore him, his ''arguments'' generally aren't worth looking at, let alone reading. He is the only troll here. I think if people stop trying to argue with him he will eventually realise that he's just making himself look like a tw@t and stop it.

We get it, Symphony made you look silly once and now you hate him for life. Fine, but please cease with this stupidity. Or put it on the While We Rant 5 thread.

 

[Ekolite]

They're not worth reading because they are just a long list of insults. Sorry if I didn't make that clear to you.

You're no better than he is. I can't even begin to imagine how you people respond to real world problems.BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU, YOU'RE GOING AWAY NOW, LA-LA-LA-LA!

If I ever have the misfortune of meeting someone like you in real life, then yes I would avoid you, unfortunately I don't have the luxury of doing that on the forum.

Sometimes I wonder if you do actually have a life, or if you're just some kid glued to his computer with a dictionary thinking he's looking big by trolling the hell out of anyone who dares disagree with him.

We get it, Symphony made you look silly once and now you hate him for life. Fine, but please cease with this stupidity. Or put it on the While We Rant 5 thread.

Actually no, I just don't like him because of his appalling attitude towards other people.

 

[Symphony D.]

They're not worth reading because they are just a long list of insults. Sorry if I didn't make that clear to you.

OOC:

OOC: Nice idea, but completely unworkable.

[...]

[EDIT] Here's some more precision math:

Mass Hydrogen Atom (1): 1.674×10^−27kg
Velocity of Spacecraft: 299,792,458,000m/s
Kinetic Energy Per Atom: 7.52258x10^-5J
Density of Cold Neutral Medium: 35 atom/cm³ = 35,000,000 atom/m³
Front Spacecraft Profile: 100m²
Volume Transited/Second: 299,792,458,000*100 = 29,979,245,800,000m³
Power Output in Watts (J/s): 7.8932x10^16 Watt , 8 Petawatts (PW)

Nearest Comparison:
- 174.0 PW: Total energy flux of Earth per year (Kardashev Type I Civilization--approximate sum total of all current [2145] human power generation)

So, to summarize, every 22 seconds the front of a spacecraft of such dimensions would be receiving the total of all human power produced annually due to kinetic bombardment. It takes years to get to certain systems.

Praising someone for creative thought: INSULT.
Math: INSULT

Using these:

Mass Hydrogen Atom (1): 1.674×10^−27kg
Density of Cold Neutral Medium: 35 atom/cm³ = 35,000,000 atom/m³
Front Spacecraft Profile: 100m²
Volume Transited/Second: 299,792,458,000*100 = 29,979,245,800,000m³

You receive 1.04927x10^21 hydrogen atoms per second. Or, 0.0000017565kg/s. 0.15176kg/day. 55.3925kg/year. Not exactly substantial. I could work out how much power that'd produce you with the CNO Cycle, but I'd rather not and just say it'd be very little.
[...]
The only places where hydrogen is much denser than in Cold Neutral Medium is in Molecular Clouds or H II regions--in other words, in nebulas, which do not comprise the majority of space. The majority of space is also not CNM. So the figure I just quoted you is probably optimistic.
[...]
Or I can use real physics to prove why they're bad. It's called inertia. The particles are effectively at rest relative to space. The kinetic energy of the particles along the way assumes they are moving at the velocity of the ship--if we use the ship as our frame of reference, then the particles are moving at that velocity relative to it (in the negative direction). If they enter some field of effect and are dragged along by it then their velocity vectors must be changed, and they must be accelerated in the positive direction such that their velocity relative to the ship becomes zero. Transiting from 1000c to zero velocity in any reasonable time for an uncontrolled object like a particle is impossible. They will enter such a field and tear a ship to pieces long before coming to rest relative to it.

Again you're dealing with more energy every 22 seconds than the human race produces annually. I don't care what magic voodoo Stigma physics relies upon--the initial energy allotment is achievable by humans, and therefore cannot conceivably stop something that is totally beyond their grasp. The dialogue basically goes:

Hydrogen: I'm the Juggernaut, . .. .. .. .. .!
Humans: ... damn.

Stigma mechanics as described effectively don't make sense.

Math Again: INSULT.
Logic: INSULT.
Facts: INSULT.

Maybe I haven't made it clear to you, Communist Party Chairman: I don't get really angry unless someone deliberately pushes my buttons by ignoring and willfully misinterpreting me. Guess what you love to do? Guess who's always going to get it with both barrels?

 

[Dachs]

lurker's comment:

They're not worth reading because they are just a long list of insults. Sorry if I didn't make that clear to you.

That's not apparent. It looked like Symphony first indicated that Terris' concept was impractical due to the laws of physics, of which he has a better than average understanding; after that it escalated. How is demonstrating that someone else is wrong a long list of insults?

If I ever have the misfortune of meeting someone like you in real life, then yes I would avoid you, unfortunately I don't have the luxury of doing that on the fourm.

You do have several options for avoiding him, the easiest of which to use is the 'ignore' list. Put him on there if you want to do that.

Sometimes I wonder if you do actually have a life, or if you're just some kid glued to his computer with a dictionary thinking he's looking big by trolling the hell out of anyone who dares disagree with him.

At least a kid glued to his computer with a dictionary would be able to correctly spell 'forum'.

 

[Ekolite]

Yes I was being more general then specific.

his ''arguments'' generally aren't worth looking at

You do have several options for avoiding him, the easiest of which to use is the 'ignore' list. Put him on there if you want to do that.

Yes, he is the first person over age 13 to have made my ignore list. (Just now)

At least a kid glued to his computer with a dictionary would be able to correctly spell 'forum'.

Haha woops - typo.

 

[TerrisH]

*sigh*

A: I never countered your math. I in fact agree with it.

B: the sigma drive bypasses the math completely. matter never impacts matter at FTL speeds when using the drive, instead being accelerated by the same means that accelerated the ship and is maintaining it's current FTL speeds.

 

[Symphony D.]

Retroactive deletion.

 

[TerrisH]

.... ang, again, your ignoring my argument. your spouting the same stuff without think about what I am say. fine, whatever.

 

[Symphony D.]

Retroactive deletion.

 

[TerrisH]

hmm, I will. sometime tomarrow. as of now, I've stade to late up playing spore. .. that looks fine to me, but I Know I I wrote it wrong. to little sleep.

 

[Locker]

hmm, I will. sometime tomarrow. as of now, I've stade to late up playing spore. .. that looks fine to me, but I Know I I wrote it wrong. to little sleep.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm really looking forward to read TerrisH's reasoning. Also LURK TO THE MAX!

 

[.SinClaire.]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm really looking forward to read TerrisH's reasoning. Also LURK TO THE MAX!

I know I am. Only because I'm a Symph. D. fan and just looking forward to reading how he'd tear it apart with sheer logic and reason, as usual.