pre-MjMNES4: A Fresh Start
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Terrance888
Discord Reigns
Alright! We have a Hatti-State!
Daretoki (Adj, Daretokite), Kingdom of Daretok, Daretokite Confederacy, ect. ect.
Culture post goes here.
Daretoki (Adj, Daretokite), Kingdom of Daretok, Daretokite Confederacy, ect. ect.
Culture post goes here.
Dardania
I wish to join as a people I will "backronym" the Dardanians. They are the civilization - the first entity that can be called that - in Europe, even more so then the Early Minoans. The modern terminology is generally straddled between the "Vinca" culture, and the "Old Europe" culture, but as both of these have overtones of the work of Marija Gimbutas (who wuold have us believe that all europe was the habitation of matriarchal peace oriented societies before the nasty Indo Europeans came from the steppe, I will avoid. Here and Now isnt the place to discuss why I'm not keen on her theories, but I'll leave with words "new evidence", and "New theories".)
The name "Dardanians" is taken from a few keen sources. This isnt to say this is a legitimately evidenced thoery, but they are wonderful facts and coincidences to play around with: A later tribe of people, one tenuously connected with the Illyrians and Paionians would inhabit a portion of the region this culture complex called home in historical times. Like wise, in the era of the bronze age, just before the historical records starts int he Aegean (or at its dawn, if we consider Homer a sort of historical text) the people of Troy, and its neighboring region of Dardania (that sort of gives my point away) of course have a connection to that name, and there is some evidence that in their earliest forms the people who would inhabit this area are immigrant colonists from Danubian hinterland.
Indeed, this area likely formed as the major area from which Indo-European language and customs would spread out over Europe (And is a candidate in some models as the actual homeland of the Indo-European language system) and it is intriguing that both the Irish and Greeks would call their earliest embodiments by the name of "Danaans".
In any event, these were a people who in a time when civilization was young were some of, if not in fact the earliest pioneers of copper, and eventually bronze working, and their artistry and metallurgical skill are unmatched - late Neolithic artifacts of copper look as though they could have come from the citadel of mighty Mycenae thousands of years later, in the late Bronze age.
the lived in multi story buildings, in large settlements, and had forms of pottery that are leaps and bounds above the technical skill of even the civilizations of Mesopotamia and Egypt.
Those are the fact -most of them hard, some of them more theoretical (anything dealing with language is theoretical, anything artifact based is concrete) about the civilization I will call Dardania.
In terms of culture I will be treating them as something of an ambiguity -toing the line between Indo-European and non Indo-European. Capable of great acts of war, and great acts of peace, a people who straddle the line, for lack of better comparisons, between the war like Mycenaeans and the Seafaring traders of the Minoans for both how they interact with the world, and the gods.
I wish to join as a people I will "backronym" the Dardanians. They are the civilization - the first entity that can be called that - in Europe, even more so then the Early Minoans. The modern terminology is generally straddled between the "Vinca" culture, and the "Old Europe" culture, but as both of these have overtones of the work of Marija Gimbutas (who wuold have us believe that all europe was the habitation of matriarchal peace oriented societies before the nasty Indo Europeans came from the steppe, I will avoid. Here and Now isnt the place to discuss why I'm not keen on her theories, but I'll leave with words "new evidence", and "New theories".)
The name "Dardanians" is taken from a few keen sources. This isnt to say this is a legitimately evidenced thoery, but they are wonderful facts and coincidences to play around with: A later tribe of people, one tenuously connected with the Illyrians and Paionians would inhabit a portion of the region this culture complex called home in historical times. Like wise, in the era of the bronze age, just before the historical records starts int he Aegean (or at its dawn, if we consider Homer a sort of historical text) the people of Troy, and its neighboring region of Dardania (that sort of gives my point away) of course have a connection to that name, and there is some evidence that in their earliest forms the people who would inhabit this area are immigrant colonists from Danubian hinterland.
Indeed, this area likely formed as the major area from which Indo-European language and customs would spread out over Europe (And is a candidate in some models as the actual homeland of the Indo-European language system) and it is intriguing that both the Irish and Greeks would call their earliest embodiments by the name of "Danaans".
In any event, these were a people who in a time when civilization was young were some of, if not in fact the earliest pioneers of copper, and eventually bronze working, and their artistry and metallurgical skill are unmatched - late Neolithic artifacts of copper look as though they could have come from the citadel of mighty Mycenae thousands of years later, in the late Bronze age.
the lived in multi story buildings, in large settlements, and had forms of pottery that are leaps and bounds above the technical skill of even the civilizations of Mesopotamia and Egypt.
Those are the fact -most of them hard, some of them more theoretical (anything dealing with language is theoretical, anything artifact based is concrete) about the civilization I will call Dardania.
In terms of culture I will be treating them as something of an ambiguity -toing the line between Indo-European and non Indo-European. Capable of great acts of war, and great acts of peace, a people who straddle the line, for lack of better comparisons, between the war like Mycenaeans and the Seafaring traders of the Minoans for both how they interact with the world, and the gods.
redstar312
Chieftain
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Hello another player invited me to join this game from another site.
Union of African Tribes
Capital: Addis Ababa
The Union of African Tribes is ruled from a Supreme Tribal Council, which each of the major constituent tribes have a single representative on. There is no one single ruler, and each of the tribes has their own mechanisms for determining how to appoint or elect a representative to the Council. The Council makes all decisions.
As described above, the government is a Tribal Council. It is governed by a quasi-religious ideology that prophesizes all the African Tribes as one, and the stated purpose of the Union is to bring that dream into a reality. As a result, the Union is quite militant against other countries, at least in terms of the rhetoric it uses.
The culture of the Union is highly collectivized; all people are taught to think of themselves as part of the whole rather than individuals. The Union proscribes that all Africans should give themselves and their lives in service of the pursuit of the ideal of Unity among the tribes.
The Army is large (for a nation this size) and well suited to mountainous warfare, and the climate of its territory makes it difficult for opposing armies to function. Much like the navy, though, it cannot venture very far from the homeland. The soldiers have high morale when on the defensive, as they are indoctrinated to believe that foreign armies that may attack the homeland are intent on genocide against the African tribes.
The navy consists of only a small number of vessels, all riverine craft as the Union has no coastline at the current time. As a result it cannot project power very far from its territory.
The economy is, of course, based mainly around agriculture and mineral extraction.
The African Tribes aim to expand to the entire horn of Africa and incorporate more tribes into the Union. It will do so through diplomacy, economic means, and military expansionism, or whatever other means may be necessary to unite all the African tribes into one great whole.
I hope this is okay so far. I will edit it in the future as necessary.
Union of African Tribes
Capital: Addis Ababa
The Union of African Tribes is ruled from a Supreme Tribal Council, which each of the major constituent tribes have a single representative on. There is no one single ruler, and each of the tribes has their own mechanisms for determining how to appoint or elect a representative to the Council. The Council makes all decisions.
As described above, the government is a Tribal Council. It is governed by a quasi-religious ideology that prophesizes all the African Tribes as one, and the stated purpose of the Union is to bring that dream into a reality. As a result, the Union is quite militant against other countries, at least in terms of the rhetoric it uses.
The culture of the Union is highly collectivized; all people are taught to think of themselves as part of the whole rather than individuals. The Union proscribes that all Africans should give themselves and their lives in service of the pursuit of the ideal of Unity among the tribes.
The Army is large (for a nation this size) and well suited to mountainous warfare, and the climate of its territory makes it difficult for opposing armies to function. Much like the navy, though, it cannot venture very far from the homeland. The soldiers have high morale when on the defensive, as they are indoctrinated to believe that foreign armies that may attack the homeland are intent on genocide against the African tribes.
The navy consists of only a small number of vessels, all riverine craft as the Union has no coastline at the current time. As a result it cannot project power very far from its territory.
The economy is, of course, based mainly around agriculture and mineral extraction.
The African Tribes aim to expand to the entire horn of Africa and incorporate more tribes into the Union. It will do so through diplomacy, economic means, and military expansionism, or whatever other means may be necessary to unite all the African tribes into one great whole.
I hope this is okay so far. I will edit it in the future as necessary.
Hi again Xen, long time no see!
redstar, it's currently about 2000 BC. At this point, any sort of civilization at all is pretty unique- it seems very unlikely that you're going to have a collectivized state at that point. Also, adopting a pan-African identity is very unrealistic in this time period- most people in any continent would barely have any conception at all of what sort of landmass they existed on. You're hitting a cultural phenomenon that wouldn't even come into existence for several thousand years.
That's not to say that a tribal oligarchy in the upper Nile is unrealistic, but the flavour you've given it is decidedly modern, in a setting three thousand years short of modern.
redstar, it's currently about 2000 BC. At this point, any sort of civilization at all is pretty unique- it seems very unlikely that you're going to have a collectivized state at that point. Also, adopting a pan-African identity is very unrealistic in this time period- most people in any continent would barely have any conception at all of what sort of landmass they existed on. You're hitting a cultural phenomenon that wouldn't even come into existence for several thousand years.
That's not to say that a tribal oligarchy in the upper Nile is unrealistic, but the flavour you've given it is decidedly modern, in a setting three thousand years short of modern.
bestrfcplayer
Steppin' up!
I'd like to take a random starting position please.
MjM
Deity
redstar312
Chieftain
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Sorry about that this is my first time playing one of these. I understand the game is not starting for a few days so let me just have reserved a spot in Africa where I have and I'll edit my entry some more tomorrow to make it more realistic for the time period. Thank you for your criticism.
MjM
Deity
Added you in!
Don't worry. We were all new once. I'm sure people would be more than glad to give friendly advice/criticism when needed. Added you in as well.
Welcome!
I will be posting the main thread later tonight.
MjM
Deity
I have altered the ruleset in quite a few ways, I invite you all to look at it again, especially Economy, Area, and Population sections.
SouthernKing
crickety cricket
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
I'm in, but I can't see the civilized zones image.
Haven't read the thread yet.
Haven't read the thread yet.
MjM
Deity
Are they not working for anyone else? I can see them. I just put in the URLs again to be sure. I can PM you the CZ map if you'd like.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
I prefer my first post in the main thread to be of quality. So I'll post here for a little while.
I see the CZs now. Europe's crowded as always, huh. :/ Well, do you suggest any starting positions? Do you need a specific slot filled?
I see the CZs now. Europe's crowded as always, huh. :/ Well, do you suggest any starting positions? Do you need a specific slot filled?
MjM
Deity
Wherever you'd like, really. If you don't want it to be extremely crowded, I suggest China. If you don't mind a few neighbors, OTL Carthage and Rome wouldn't be too bad either. If you don't mind a lot of neighbors, Southern Levant (OTL Phoenicia), Northern Greece, Central Northern India or Numidia could also suffice.
But wherever you'd like, really.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
I like Carthage.
MjM
Deity
I like Carthage.
Carthage it is! When you have a description ready, post it in the made thread, please.
