1. We have added a Gift Upgrades feature that allows you to gift an account upgrade to another member, just in time for the holiday season. You can see the gift option when going to the Account Upgrades screen, or on any user profile screen.
    Dismiss Notice

-Prethread- NCNESIOT: Blackened Skies

Discussion in 'Imperium OffTopicum' started by Nuka-sama, Dec 8, 2015.

  1. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

    Joined:
    May 26, 2006
    Messages:
    10,414
    Location:
    北京皇城
    Here's my thinking. BV/BC is just a reference value.

    BC = cost of buying things/cost of buying 1 IC to use

    BV = value that goes to your GDP

    So a BV/BC == 1 does not actually mean "100% efficiency," just that you are at the "default" level. Since government spending counts as investment and thus towards your GDP, you will not see a "deflation" from buying IC for value: the relationship only indicates the "added" value the IC contributes to the economy.

    Hence only Base Value is necessary to reference for investment efficiency. Base Value > 1 means positive ROI, and Base Value < 1 means negative ROI.

    GNP will be Base Cost + Base Value. Ditch digging is hungry work.

    "Why don't I just invest a million EP then and increase my GDP to a million?" You can! Well, you can try. It probably won't be pretty, though, and your Trade Group won't like it either. Plus, this will make the rest of your economy worthless and then people won't be able to buy things.

    Your remark had me go back and check and I tweaked the algorithm for determining IC demand, so the Base Costs have shifted once more. Private IC demand now scales according to tax rate rather than Mobilization, as it was before, so your private sector will still demand industrial goods as long as they have the money for it even if the government owns the IC.
     
  2. Ahigin

    Ahigin Chieftain

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2013
    Messages:
    1,471
    Location:
    Chicago
    Thanks, that clarifies things, at least for me. I wanna spend some time educating myself on macroeconomy. It's been almost a decade since my college class on that.

    Despite this rule change, I'd still appreciate it greatly if you could respond to my PFI questions, adopted to the new rules.
     
  3. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

    Joined:
    May 26, 2006
    Messages:
    10,414
    Location:
    北京皇城
    Of course, all the RFI are in a queue. I need to research answers to most of them.

    I understand the Econ side of this can be confusing because it is a complex abstraction of an already-complex system. I am not an economist anyway, just a hobbyist on steroids.
     
  4. Ahigin

    Ahigin Chieftain

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2013
    Messages:
    1,471
    Location:
    Chicago
    Hey Crezth. Please don't hate me, but I found another anomaly in the stats. Italy has an insane Atomic and slightly less insane Rocketry exp. stat in the main roster, but their government activities sheet doesn't feature exp. scores nearly as big. It's clearly wrong in the main roster, because no countries have more than 3rd level of experience in any field there. 87th level of Atomic science is something on the level of quantum computing and thermonuclear cigarette lighters.

    Main roster:
    Exp.: -0 Private, 3 Air, 87 Atomic, 2 Navy, 4 Chemistry, 13 Rocketry, -0 Public, 1 Social, 2 Electric, 3 Army

    Government activities:
    Atomic Total XP/Efficiency: 2 (1.00)
    Atomic Global Share: 40.15%
    Rocketry Total XP/Efficiency: 3 (1.00)
    Rocketry Global Share: 17.00%

    Maybe other countries have it as well, but I don't have time to cross-check every nation.
     
  5. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

    Joined:
    May 26, 2006
    Messages:
    10,414
    Location:
    北京皇城
    Oh yeah, I should have mentioned I'm revisiting everyone's XP. I hope to re-scale it Monday to more favor the established knowledge. Some XP gains got cycled that shouldn't have so I need to go through it all with a fine-tooth comb.
     
  6. Grandkhan

    Grandkhan Telvanni Master Wizard

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2011
    Messages:
    2,665
    Location:
    Inside a mushroom
    Cheers, I was confused by that.

    Looking at the stats I think there's a few others with the same problem (at my first glance the Communist Party of Mexico and the Transitional Authority of the State of Bulgaria are both at war but have no active combat divisions) but yeah cheers. :)

    If you ever want a career in economic modelling you can just show your potential employer this. :p
     
  7. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

    Joined:
    May 26, 2006
    Messages:
    10,414
    Location:
    北京皇城
    OK, Expertise should now be "fixed". The values listed under expertise now represent the "True Value," or percentage of global total - across all countries they will sum to 100. So, if you have 6 Army, you have 6% of the global Army XP.

    I also fixed a coal production bug that was causing countries to extract more coal than they could use, so a few GDPs of countries that didn't use oil should have improved.
     
  8. tobiisagoodboy

    tobiisagoodboy Chieftain

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2015
    Messages:
    408
    Location:
    Germany, in the forest
    Italy has far too much money ^^ I think 400 EP economy for the few remains I have is a little much ^^
     
  9. JohannaK

    JohannaK Careless Whisperer

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2011
    Messages:
    13,453
    Location:
    Last Christmas
    I think everyone's EP has been beefed up.

    Edit: Also, that is your Economy, your usable EP is actually 87.
     
  10. Nuka-sama

    Nuka-sama :)

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2006
    Messages:
    9,428
    Gender:
    Male
    Hi all,

    August promises to be a busy month for both Crezth and myself, and it would be prudent for us to have the deadline still be August 5th. Does anyone strenuously object to this?

    From our end, we are going to be very lenient this turn on the understanding of the system, and with the expectation that you've had enough time to do necessary diplomacy and planning, it would help us alot to have your orders in this coming Friday.

    Thanks,

    Nuka
     
  11. Tolina

    Tolina trust the pillars with your s e c r e t s

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    10,489
    Location:
    Nightvale, US
    I thought that the deadline already was on the 5th August?
     
  12. JohannaK

    JohannaK Careless Whisperer

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2011
    Messages:
    13,453
    Location:
    Last Christmas
    I would rather not send orders before August the 8th due to lack of computer access. I would like to consult further with you on this though.
     
  13. Double A

    Double A wak

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2009
    Messages:
    14,172
    Location:
    NC
    I can do your orders this turn.
     
  14. Nuka-sama

    Nuka-sama :)

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2006
    Messages:
    9,428
    Gender:
    Male
    Yea, this is just us confirming that we'd like to maintain that 5th as the deadline. :)

    @Joan, we can speak privately. I wouldn't trust AA with your order writing
     
  15. Double A

    Double A wak

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2009
    Messages:
    14,172
    Location:
    NC
     
  16. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

    Joined:
    May 26, 2006
    Messages:
    10,414
    Location:
    北京皇城
    Outstanding RFIs: Will be handled tonight/tomorrow. If I do not answer your RFI before 5 PM EST tomorrow, do not hesitate to nudge us. From then, we'll do a 24-hour RFI-answering cycle until Friday evening when orders will be due.
     
  17. Ahigin

    Ahigin Chieftain

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2013
    Messages:
    1,471
    Location:
    Chicago
    Thanks. I was just about to ask about it.

    P.S.
    New MIDFAS stats are cute. French government seems to enjoy North-Korean popularity:
    Government: Socialist (106.09% Support)
     
  18. JohannaK

    JohannaK Careless Whisperer

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2011
    Messages:
    13,453
    Location:
    Last Christmas
    UPDATE HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE :drool:
     
  19. Ahigin

    Ahigin Chieftain

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2013
    Messages:
    1,471
    Location:
    Chicago
    Christos, you and I had such a cute little bromance. Sigh. It was fun while it lasted, but then you chose to move your troops into Silesia without declaration of war.

    P.S. BTW, I love the story, Crezth.
     
  20. jackelgull

    jackelgull An aberration of nature

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2013
    Messages:
    3,219
    Location:
    Within the realm of impossibility
    You couldn't have been surprised. As soon as the uk declared war on you I figure it was a matter of when not if Christos declared war on you. I'm not sure you can handle fighting two superpowers at once but then again Christos has worries in China so your situation isn't completely hopeless
     

Share This Page