Preview Thread: TNESII - Et In Arcadia Ego

[Ninja Dude]

Is this an okay nation description? Or should I add to it? I didn't want it to get too long, as I wanted to deny myself the chance to ramble.

Spoiler :

Xin Ming Nation Description:

After many centuries of being the sole and powerful ruler of China, the Ming finally collapsed. Manchu armies attacked the northern territories, seemingly invincable as Ming armies tried to stop them. Internaly the Ming was getting torn apart by massive rebellions. After Li Zicheng took Beijing, Wu Sangui (the commander of northern Ming forces) was enraged to find out the rebel had taken his concubine. Defecting to the Qing, he let the Qing go unhindered to the south towards Beijing. From that point the Ming dynasty was doomed.

While the Qing were pushing further and further south, the Shogunate of Japan invaded the east coast of China, taking Shanghai and other important cities. Portugal took the southeastern coasts, seeing the Ming as an easy target. With these invaders hammering the Ming from all sides, all order collapsed. War lords and pretenders fought amongst one another, bringing even more destruction to China.

But for once the Ming would be lucky. Japanese and Qing forces began to fight over Korea, tieing up their forces in a struggle that niether could end decicively. The White Lotus, the society that allowed the first Ming emperor to take the throne back in the 14th century once again took action. Organizing a movement, it managed to drive out the foreigners and warlords by uniting southern China under a new Ming emperor. The Qing were soon driven out of central China, their counter-offensives unsuccessful against Xin Ming.

With a Han-lead dynasty and support from the White Lotus, Xin Ming has many loyal followers within and outside of its borders. Han Chinese continue to rebel under the urgings of the Xin Ming emperor. It is begining to modernize slowly, its large population giving it a massive work force. Nationalism spreads through Xin Ming, amplifying the hatred towards the countries around it. But while the public screams of war and destruction of foreign powers, deep within China its military is getting trained by the Flanders. While this is largely kept a seceret, Xin Ming officials hope to lessen the hatred towards Europeans in hopes of gaining some of their support in industrializing their nation.

 

[Thlayli]

I'm thinking slightly longer and slightly more specific. You can use parts of das' question responses if you want. But that's a good start.

 

[germanicus12]

I assume France is done? If not is Azale's descriptions in the Alt Hist. Thread a good basis to start? Or am I just making one up from scratch from what I believe happened out of the map?

 

[Thlayli]

Yeah. I'll handle France.

 

[Ninja Dude]

Okay, I've edited the nation description. Better? Worse?

 

[Dachs]

That is a longass nation description.

 

[Ninja Dude]

That is a longass nation description.

Like I said, I didn't want to ramble, but it tends to happen. Thlalyi can hack away as much as he wants from it. Sorry about making it so big, but I didn't know if he wanted the invasions of China covered in it, or the more recent developments. So I included both.

 

[BananaLee]

The Star Ming Empire?

The *Bright Star* Empire.

COnfirming New Albion

 

[Thlayli]

Trained by the Flanders. Hehehe. Okay that's fine, I'll cut it down.

Xin Ming and New Albion CONFIRM'D.

 

[flyingchicken]

The Empire of the Great Qing is one of the many claimants to All Under Heaven, starting with the Middle Kingdom. It traces its roots to the unification of the Manchus under Nurhaci of the Aisin Gioro started in the early and completed by the late 17th century, after which it proceeded to take advantage of the situation of Ming China. Despite an unsuccessful scuffle with the Japanese over Korea, the looming presence of the Portuguese, and a rather determined defense on the part of the Ming, the Manchus eventually took most of northern and central China, proclaiming themselves the Qing Dynasty of China and reorganizing their civil administrative system along the way. Their alien culture, tied to their affection for and focus on the steppes, paved the way for their eventual removal from China in the 19th century by popular uprisings in the name of a Ming pretender, partly perpetrated by those dastardly secret societies; since then it has unable to recover its position of power in region, and the recent modernization efforts of the Xin Ming threaten to remove it from the Chinese picture altogether. The Qing Empire itself has only begun modernizing and industrializing efforts recently with the rise of a somewhat Sinified urban and middle-class population along the coasts, seeking foreign assistance along the way. However, the presence of an entrenched aristocracy, whose interests are often at odds with the emerging bourgeois and the central government, and several external threats places the Qing in a precarious situation indeed. IT IS ALSO VERY AWESOME AND HAS UNLOCKED THE SECRETS TO LASER CANNON WHICH IT WILL USE TO ANNIHILATE ALL WHO STAND IN ITS WAY.

holy father i am waiting for my confirmation and if that doesn't happen i shall weep in the corner and excommunicate myself because your possible bias for mr no one else who applied for the qing will hurt my soul

 

[Thlayli]

That was a little biased (except at the end) but it'll serve after I edit it and add more dates.

Tawantinsuyu is confirmed for Darkening.
The Argentine Protectorate is confirmed for foolish_icarus.
The Qing Dynasty is confirmed for flyingchicken.

I'd like more individuals to start stepping up for the Great Powers that are unclaimed. France, Arcadia, Portugal, Egypt. Newer players are encouraged to apply for smaller nations.

Other key roles that need to be filled include Denmark, the Golden Horde, the Rajput Empire, etc.

 

[LightFang]

Whoa, I just noticed this thread. Okay, I would like to confirm my application for the great state of Egypt. Tomorrow, when I have more time, I will submit a nation description, unless of course Kraznaya steals it from under my feet.

 

[flyingchicken]

That was a little biased (except at the end) but it'll serve after I edit it and add more dates.

Where's the bias?

Spoiler case! :

The Empire of the Great Qing is one of the many claimants to All Under Heaven, starting with the Middle Kingdom.

Nothing untrue, and the Empire of the Great Qing is their Wikipedia OTL name.

It traces its roots to the unification of the Manchus under Nurhaci of the Aisin Gioro started in the early and completed by the late 17th century, after which it proceeded to take advantage of the situation of Ming China.

Nothing untrue. Taking advantage of situation in Ming China because it is being cut up by foreigners prior to Manchu unification.

Despite an unsuccessful scuffle with the Japanese over Korea, the looming presence of the Portuguese, and a rather determined defense on the part of the Ming, the Manchus eventually took most of northern and central China, proclaiming themselves the Qing Dynasty of China and reorganizing their civil administrative system along the way.

Despite is there because it is a steppe nomad allied tribe thing! Also, nothing untrue. Manchu did take northern and central China unless das lied to silver. Being a bunch of steppe nomads it is only natural that they reorganize their civil administration to something more fitting for, you know, city-folk.

Their alien culture, tied to their affection for and focus on the steppes, paved the way for their eventual removal from China in the 19th century by popular uprisings in the name of a Ming pretender, partly perpetrated by those dastardly secret societies;

Nothing untrue, and this even highlights the disadvantages of the Manchus in China!

since then it has unable to recover its position of power in region, and the recent modernization efforts of the Xin Ming threaten to remove it from the Chinese picture altogether.

Nothing untrue, and things do look dire for the Qing!

The Qing Empire itself has only begun modernizing and industrializing efforts recently with the rise of a somewhat Sinified urban and middle-class population along the coasts, seeking foreign assistance along the way.

While the Ming are Flemish-aided right now the Qing just recently began trying to modernize, and is trying to get the right help; a disadvantage highlighted! Also, the rise of the urban class is true unless das LIED.

However, the presence of an entrenched aristocracy, whose interests are often at odds with the emerging bourgeois and the central government, and several external threats places the Qing in a precarious situation indeed.

However is there to contrast the previous sentence to show how the Qing's efforts are seemingly futile! That's biased in the manner that it is self-depreciating!

IT IS ALSO VERY AWESOME AND HAS UNLOCKED THE SECRETS TO LASER CANNON WHICH IT WILL USE TO ANNIHILATE ALL WHO STAND IN ITS WAY.

NOTHING UNTRUE.

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If by bias you mean Manchu-centric, of course it will be! It's the nation description for frig's sake!

If by bias you mean self-glorifying, I just don't see it.

The first part described its history and the second part described its internal condition quite succinctly and in broad terms enough for a single oversized paragraph, I believe!

 

[Kraznaya]

In a shocking upset that even I didn't see coming, I am applying as a backup to Arcadia, Le Royaume de France.

 

[Thlayli]

Sarcasm, my friend. Sarcasm.

 

[Insane_Panda]

I am still here. Thanks for all the welcomes everyone. Glad to be back.

Reasserting my applications for Arcadia, and in case of failure in that, France.

 

[Justo]

I would like to also apply for the Kingdom of Tver with Poland then Hungary as backups.

 

[Kraznaya]

I plan on doing this later, but to avoid confusion I'll refer to myself as Xin Ming OOC. But yeah, curse those Portuguese, Japanese, and Manchu for claiming our rightful lands.

Who do the Uighur, Tibetans, and Yue think they are anyway?

 

[North King]

Who do the Uighur, Tibetans, and Yue think they are anyway?

...Not Chinese? Why are we thinking in terms of the PRC or the OTL Qing Empire?

 

[Kraznaya]

...Not Chinese? Why are we thinking in terms of the PRC or the OTL Qing Empire?

The Uighurs and the Tibetans were vassals of the Tang, so that still counts.

The Yue/Annam have been part of quite a few dynasties, including the Ming.