Preview Thread: TNESII - Et In Arcadia Ego

alex994 is right. It is Roman Catholic and has been for centuries, and over those centuries it has become about as different from mainstream Roman Catholicism as the OTL pre-Nikon Russian Orthodox Church was different from the Greek Orthodox Church, if not more so. Highly disconnected church hierarchy, high amounts of state meddling in church affairs, Slavic rite (actually, a confusing bilingual system using Latin on some occasions and Slavonian on others), etc.
 
@ das, any fancy details you could give on persia? like the state of industry, the roots of rising nationalism, domestic stability, efficiency of the goverment (is corruption a problem presently?), state of the military, overall technological situation in the army/navy/industry. Stats do give me rough idea about these, but I need MOAR details tyvm :p
 
Firstly, I should correct Thlayli on the national background (I really should review those things more thoroughly; if Thlayli doesn't mind I will do that when I have time before leaving): the Turkic tribes are fairly well-integrated into the overall society by now, and coexist well enough with the Parsi tribes and urban population; the native Persians are very barely a majority, and for the record they are mostly Sunni, not Shiite. There is something of an anti-Turkic nationalist movement in the southwest, but it's not all that strong; other than that, there is the traditional "national" Iranian idea, which is basically the legacy of every preceding Persia-based empire, from the Achaemenids through the Buwayhids to the Tutushids. The Shahate has some latent claims to the entirety of Greater Iran. That's just the state ideology, though, not very widespread elsewhere unless other events give it some fuel. The main and most commonly brought up ideas of the day are more religious than political, and opposition to the Shiites is a major point of the state ideology, as the Shahenshah is, among other things, the protector of Sunni orthodoxy. The court is divided between a corrupt traditional tribal aristocratic party and a corrupt reformist urban bureaucratic and military party. Conflicts between them, rivalries between aristocratic families and the provinces in which their representatives traditionally hold the governor's seat, and the occasional abuses of power by local officials are the main threats to domestic stability at the moment; also, any strong course of reform would likely be met with the opposition of the Turkish tribes of northern Iran, which may easily lead to rebellion.

The Mustafid Shahate is for the most part quite backwards in all regards, despite occasional efforts at changing that and the influence of foreign (mainly Chernigovian, Flemish and Portuguese) commerce. The government is a traditional Persian bureaucratic monarchy; corruption is plentiful and now increasingly damaging, and nepotism is basically part of the system.
 
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Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks. Many local variations on all three themes, especially with Greeks who have been considerably intermixed with southern Slavs, especially those who became Macedonians in OTL. Some Wallachians in Bulgaria. Some Croats in Bosnia. (Uniate) Albanians. Hungarian and German Hungarian settlements throughout the northern borderlands and at some other points. Gypsies. No real all-encompassing ethnic identity, therefore the focus is on a regional/historical ideology with an appeal to the legacy of the Byzantine Empire.
 
Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks. Many local variations on all three themes, especially with Greeks who have been considerably intermixed with southern Slavs, especially those who became Macedonians in OTL. Some Wallachians in Bulgaria. Some Croats in Bosnia. (Uniate) Albanians. Hungarian and German Hungarian settlements throughout the northern borderlands and at some other points. Gypsies. No real all-encompassing ethnic identity, therefore the focus is on a regional/historical ideology with an appeal to the legacy of the Byzantine Empire.

Just curious is their any Italian minorities in Dalmatia and Istria as in ootl?
 
The update's done already? If it's as long as I expect from Thlayli, I really must commend you! :P
 
Just curious is their any Italian minorities in Dalmatia and Istria as in ootl?

Not nearly as much as in OTL; Venice has had another focus (plus Venice is the single most separatist part of Italy, and this attitude has made working with Venetian separatists elsewhere a bit difficult at times).
 
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