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[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Not Medival Infantry, just Industrial Era.

A bridge for Horses...lol...thats darn funny. What did they think was going to happen?

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Guys, just a word in:
maybe I'm wrong, but... the Mongols actually did not have and thus did not use any infantry untill very late in the XX century... - They were and still are people of the horse and all they did was using lightning-fast cavalry attacks, especially with arrows and bows (the preferred distance fighting until their enemy were really weakened and then ended up the matter with one quick assalt).
Well, in fact, the did have infantry - as a small-numbered emperor-guard forces, but their horrible army was all horsemen.

Anyway, footmen were really tremedowsly useless in the surroundings the Mongols lived and in the warfare style they used. Even in Yuan dinasty of China (the one that was founded by the Mongolian Khubilai-Khan after the Horde took China and overthrown Song dynasty) the infantry was all the Chinese and the ethnic Mongols formed elite horsemen forces for quick actions and swift rides throgh the stepps.

The most fantastic example of devotion of those people to their horse-wars were the futile attemps of invasion to the Japanese islands from the mainland China:
they constructed thousands of huge rafts- you know to do what? - No. not to use them as a vessels for transportation of regular medieval warriors from their Chinese stronghold to Japan. - They tried to use the rafts as a pontoon-bridge to allow immense hords of the Mongolian cavalry to invade Japan through the gulf.
But - the chldren of the stepps did not take into account a Mosson climate of the Pacific Asia - a rather strong (but really just typical) typhoon-wind ("Kaze" in Japanese) destroyed the impromptu bridge and the invasion into Japan failed. The Japanese saw Will of the Gods ("Kami") in this events.

(the legend of the "Sacred Wind" was revied during WWII)

So... I would not mbe so sure about the "Mongolian infantry" - this is a very BIG fiction.

I'm pretty sure it's not fiction, but I'm pretty sure the "pontoon bridge" IS. I have never read any such accounts of a pontoon bridge, and the very fact that they managed to land 30,000+ troops at Hakata Bay, Japan, suggests that you've got your facts wrong somehow. Perhaps the source you were reading meant it metaphorically... that the fleet was intended to shuttle troops from the mainland to Japan without being used in a true naval role.

Secondly, the ethnic Mongolians, the coarse riders atop their horses dressed in furs and carrying bows was indeed the core of the original Mongol tribes' armies, but Temujin built them into a real professional fighting force, and most importantly, their conquests led to further incorporations into their armies. Perhaps the Mongols most defining feature was their willingness to adapt to different circumstances. Some peoples got too caught up in tradition and maintaining their ways and ultimately paid for it with defeat. But, for example, upon invading China, the Mongols discovered siegecraft and immediately began using it against other Chinese, Central Asian and Arab enemies.

The more they succeeded, the less and less that the old Mongol riders continued to be the backbone of the army. Soon they even had iron-clad horses and riders fighting against the Europeans covered nearly from snout to tail in mail. And they had infantry... ESPECIALLY during the Yuan dynasty, and the preview of the first soldier I provided a few posts above is indeed what the Mongol regular infantry looked like.

 

[Onza]

Well to be frank - the story of invasion into japan was read by me in some popular history book and pretty long time ago. The image was very impressive so i memorised it. Maybe the source was wrong - I don't know and can only say what the book read, that's all. But it did said that the Mongols did cover their vessels with wooden planks so that horsemen could ride right onto the ships without dismounting and stand with horses all armored until fast disembarkemnt onto the enemy ground.
As far as your second point is concerned - your are right in General, but remmeber that the infantry the Mongols have WAS NOT Mongol - it was incorporated into the mongolian army after defeting another enemy from the military forces of that enemy! Of course Yuan dinasty HAD infantry - WHAT ELSE can you have if you rule China??? But those were Chinese solgers under Mongolian leasership, not the Mongolian infantry.
Yes, the Mongols were extremely adaptibale ant with time flying fast they started to disintegrate and lose thei identity - exactly due to the very ability to incorporate all new and advantegous into their own trandition very fast.

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Well to be frank - the story of invasion into japan was read by me in some popular history book and pretty long time ago. The image was very impressive so i memorised it. Maybe the source was wrong - I don't know and can only say what the book read, that's all. But it did said that the Mongols did cover their vessels with wooden planks so that horsemen could ride right onto the ships without dismounting and stand with horses all armored until fast disembarkemnt onto the enemy ground.
As far as your second point is concerned - your are right in General, but remmeber that the infantry the Mongols have WAS NOT Mongol - it was incorporated into the mongolian army after defeting another enemy from the military forces of that enemy! Of course Yuan dinasty HAD infantry - WHAT ELSE can you have if you rule China??? But those were Chinese solgers under Mongolian leasership, not the Mongolian infantry.
Yes, the Mongols were extremely adaptibale ant with time flying fast they started to disintegrate and lose thei identity - exactly due to the very ability to incorporate all new and advantegous into their own trandition very fast.

I would imagine that the horses might have been loaded onto the boats ready to go, but I think the boats probably shuttled them over rather than be connected one to the next.

The Mongol infantry were sometimes Mongols, but you are right... by and large, their infantry divisions consisted of non-Mongol mercenaries. But at the same time, how many civilizations throughout history have had armies comprised largely of mercenaries not of their nationality? It's still the Mongol army, and they still had uniforms. Therefore, you can still have a Mongol infantry unit... leave the fact that they're mercenaries for the pedia entry.

 

[ShiroKobbure]

a big part of the non-mongol army was foot soldiers, the mongols see the horse has divine some mogols had more the one, however slave soldiers, or soldiers from conquered terriorties, a large part of the mongol invasion were korean, and they didnt ride horses, they were foot soldiers.

 

[Kyriakos]

Hm, can one request a new unit here?

 

[Dom Pedro II]

If you WANT to request a unit... sure, go ahead. This thread was not really meant to be bumped as my units discussion thread is supposed to be the latest Preview Thread, but ah well... so go ahead.

 

[Kyriakos]

Hm, since iirc you do not make ships, could you make either a peltast or a thessalian hoplite? Something like the hypaspist unit, only the hypaspist unit has the sun of Vergina (macedonian emblem) on its shield...

 

[Aluminium]

It's all a little bit kafkaesque today. Isn't it?

 

[Kyriakos]

Not really, now if Dom Pedro II would wake up one morning to find himself in his bed transformed into a gigantic hypaspist unit for civ3, then it might!

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I think Kyrten made a bunch of Hoplites, maybe you could use one of those?

 

[Kyriakos]

I am already using those hoplites, Sword of Damocles

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

lol.....funny....Would you like a prize for ingenuity?