Project 2025

[PPQ_Purple]

The one time stoning someone comes up in the gospels, Christianity's founder arranges for it not to happen.

In the most interesting way, in fact, given our focus here on people judging other people.

Yea, but from my understanding most christians these days tend to value the books that came before Christ that he explicitly came to amend and correct more than his corrections and amendments. At least the protestants. Does that make them technically jews? Than again as someone raised without religion in a country that is outside of the ordinary protestant tradition that is just my impression of them from a far. So I might be very wrong.

 

[Cutlass]

Yea, but from my understanding most christians these days tend to value the books that came before Christ that he explicitly came to amend and correct more than his corrections and amendments. At least the protestants. Does that make them technically jews? Than again as someone raised without religion in a country that is outside of the ordinary protestant tradition that is just my impression of them from a far. So I might be very wrong.

It doesn't make them Jews. But you are right that there are a lot of Protestant and Evangelical Christians who are Old Testimate focused, and not New Testimate. They're heretics. And that's been discussed in other threads, not long in the past. But they can't see that, and think that their faith is the stronger and more real than other people.

 

[Narz]

It doesn't make them Jews. But you are right that there are a lot of Protestant and Evangelical Christians who are Old Testimate focused, and not New Testimate. They're heretics. And that's been discussed in other threads, not long in the past. But they can't see that, and think that their faith is the stronger and more real than other people.

It's not heretical to focus on your favorite part of the book(s), all religious people are that way, Christians don't reject the Old Testament, it's all divine in their minds (of course it contradicts itself but cognitive dissonance & religiosity go hand in hand)

 

[r16]

4 pages of discussion already . When New Turkey went full Presidency thing in 2018 under the guiding light of Turkish type of Democracy (if ı remember the numbers correctly) of the first 39 decrees of the Presidential level , only 12 were declarations and 17 were corrections to the 12 . Failures appearing in a single week or even a day . Because people might discover the test run and reject becoming part of thing the US invented to destroy some other countries in case you are not ready to accept the targeting of one single country , they have 900 pages of solemn promises that they know what they are doing and also will keep Trump under control .

 

[Farm Boy]

It's not heretical to focus on your favorite part of the book(s), all religious people are that way, Christians don't reject the Old Testament, it's all divine in their minds (of course it contradicts itself but cognitive dissonance & religiosity go hand in hand)

If one isn't the hero or protagonist, just a divine part of the choir, most of that goes away. There is what is, what should be, and what will be. None of which is on a timeline scaled to us.

The last part is what seems to throw people the most.

Spoiler :

 

[Gori the Grey]

Properly = let's ignore the old testament bipolar stuff and focus on some nicey-nice Christ quotes.

Be real there is no proper Christianity.

On a narrowly focused matter (here, stoning) that the central Christian scriptures address directly, I feel comfortable presenting that view as what is "proper" to Christianity, particularly when that scripture explicitly addresses itself to the "old testament bipolar stuff" and replaces that with with a specific form of "nicey-nice" stuff.

In other words, I regard Christ's quotes--which I agree are often well-characterized as "nicey-nice"--as our surest guide to the view that Christianity takes on a particular matter.

 

[Cutlass]

It's not heretical to focus on your favorite part of the book(s), all religious people are that way, Christians don't reject the Old Testament, it's all divine in their minds (of course it contradicts itself but cognitive dissonance & religiosity go hand in hand)

Having a favorite part is one thing. Discarding the most important parts, because you don't like them, and then calling the rest as the whole of it is what makes Republicans heretics.

 

[r16]

uh , America the original .



this is the 1988 assasination attempt on Özal . Not Santa Turgut today because would be bad optics . And not fully covered by the media over the years because it is only 20 minutes that ı learned the assassin had acquired a really 80 years old model pistol that could fire only two rounds and it is a miracle or something that he was hiding 2 or 10 meters where the Prime Minister would have sat . But as a miracle Özal's wife had a cold and they had to rush the political rally speech without sitting there for a while and the first bullet hit the microphone the splinters of which hit Özal's thumb . And the shooter had a "commando dance" thing rolling on the ground and this lot , however untrustworthy they might look to security crazed Americans , still managed to get the assassin alive , shot 3 times in his limbs . An almost racist with training in the commando camps in the 70s . Let me tell you once again , Trump's crew examines history better than people here think . Oh yes , 88 happens to be a year or so after Santa Süleyman returns to the field after a referandum that removed the constitutional or whatever ban that forbade the leaders of pre-1980 coup political parties to be running in elections and whatnot .

 

[Cutlass]

Project 2025 would overhaul the U.S. tax system. Here's how it could impact you.

Project 2025, a blueprint for the next Republican president, proposes major economic changes that could impact millions of Americans.

www.cbsnews.com

A few key points:

Currently, there are seven tax brackets — 10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35% and 37% — with each based on income thresholds. For instance, a married couple pays 10% in federal income tax on their first $23,200 of income, and then 12% on earnings from $23,201 to $94,300, and so on. Married couples need to earn over $487,450 this year to hit the top tax rate of 37%.

Project 2025 argues that the current tax system is too complicated and expensive for taxpayers to navigate. To remedy those problems, it proposes just two tax rates: a 15% flat tax for people earning up to about $168,000, and a 30% income tax for people earning above that, according to the document. It also proposes eliminating "most deductions, credits and exclusions," although the blueprint doesn't specify which ones would go and which would stay.

What this means is that most Americans will pay more in federal taxes. But the richest Americans will pay less in federal taxes. It's a basic redistribution of income and wealth away from working families.

Eliminating the Federal Reserve's mandate to maintain full employment in the labor market.

This one will probably largely fly past most people, because they don't know what it means. And the Far Right has spent a lot of time and energy in spreading false information about the Federal Reserve and monetary policy generally.

What it actually means is:

* Interest rates will be higher. You think people have been *****ing about the high rates over the past 2 years, Project 2025 wants to make those the lowest rates you ever see again.

* There will be fewer jobs. Unemployment will be higher all of the time.

* Because unemployment will be higher all of the time, wages will be lower all of the time.

* Recessions will last longer, and be more severe. More people will lose their jobs, and take longer to find new ones.

* The economy will grow significantly slower in the long run. So in the long run, the US will be a poorer nation, less able to fund national security, law enforcement, or any other thing you want it to fund.

* More tax dollars will be paid to the foreigners who own the US debt that Republicans will continue to generate at ever faster rates.

* Interest on the debt will be an ever larger part of the budget. And China and oil exporting nations will get more and more US tax dollars.

 

[Crezth]

As bad as taxes are, and they are bad, I think most redistribution comes pre-tax.

 

[EgonSpengler]

A woman on the radio who supports Trump says she thinks the "Project 2025" document is an effort by Democrats to make Trump look bad. She says some of the things in it "are ridiculous."

 

[Lexicus]

The Federal Reserve already basically doesn't gaf about unemployment. That's been the case since Volcker.

 

[Cutlass]

The Federal Reserve already basically doesn't gaf about unemployment. That's been the case since Volcker.

Not GAF about unemployment is why the European Central Bank produced so much worse results than the Federal Reserve during both the Great Financial Crisis, and Covid. It's those inferior results that Heritage wants for the US.

 

[Lexicus]

Not GAF about unemployment is why the European Central Bank produced so much worse results than the Federal Reserve during both the Great Financial Crisis, and Covid. It's those inferior results that Heritage wants for the US.

I disagree that this was due to the respective positions of the central banks. This was because of the US fiscal response, which was not matched in Europe.

 

[Cutlass]

I disagree that this was due to the respective positions of the central banks. This was because of the US fiscal response, which was not matched in Europe.

The US fiscal response in 2008 sucked. Without the monetary response, it was Great Depression 2.0 time. While the fiscal response to covid was better, it wasn't near good enough on its own.

 

[Crezth]

The US fiscal response in 2008 sucked. Without the monetary response, it was Great Depression 2.0 time. While the fiscal response to covid was better, it wasn't near good enough on its own.

We also gave Gen X’s pension to the banks to pay off their ****, which can’t have helped the general situation frankly.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Chapter 3 is pretty boring: Managing the Bureaucracy

They wish they could have a kind of IQ test for hiring, but can't.
They think performance reviews are meaningless because 99% of people are rated satisfactory.
Appeals against firing are rarely successful but they involve so much paper work that managers don't bother.
Pensions are too good, out of whack with private-sector equivalents.
Civil Service is unionized.
People "burrow-in" to positions in such a way that they can't be removed when new leadership arrives.

But in laying all of this out, they don't give the sense that there's actually much prospect for change on any of these points.

 

[Lexicus]

But in laying all of this out, they don't give the sense that there's actually much prospect for change on any of these points.

Their solution is to fire everyone and replace them with loyalists

 

[Gori the Grey]

You can tell that's what they'd like to do*, but you pick up from their tone that they don't actually think any kind of substantial reform is really possible.

They list several executive orders Trump issued, but even they were really small change relative to the scale of the problem, as they set it out. And all overturned by Biden.

*actually, they give a little concession early on as to the value of a civil service that isn't vulnerable to a new administration. I'll dig up the quote and give them the tiny bit of credit where credit is due.

progressives have sought a system that could e"ectively select, train, reward,
and guard from partisan influence the neutral scientific experts they believe are
required to sta" the national government and run the administrative state. Their
U.S. system was initiated by the Pendleton Act of 188310 and institutionalized by
the 1930s New Deal to set principles and practices that were meant to ensure that
expert merit rather than partisan favors or personal favoritism ruled within the
federal bureaucracy

They just think that has led to the opposite problem of no one being fired for any cause ever.

 

[amadeus]

Is some of the stuff in here kind of a red herring? Like, as in it is meant to draw attention away from conservative policies that could actually be enacted? I just wonder if there isn’t an element of strategy in publishing this tome.