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Proofs that God is imaginary

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by eastsidebagel, Apr 13, 2009.

  1. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    Yes, he does have a new avatar. People change their avatar sometimes on CFC.
     
  2. Agent327

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    Lol, you're funny. I was referring to the image; the image of Plotinus looks 'updated', because before it was a different statue from the same guy (I'm assuming the philosopher Plotinus, who was a platonian, I believe).

    And now for something completely different.
     
  3. Agent327

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    Note especially the first and last paragraphs of these two articles:


    Child abuse row goes on as Catholics get new leader


    • Thursday 21 May 2009 22.05 BST
    The new archbishop of Westminster greets worshippers outside Westminster Cathedral. Photograph: Fiona Hanson/PA

    The new archbishop of Westminster faced continuing criticism from victims of child abuse todayas he was formally installed as the leader of the 4.2 million Catholics in England and Wales.Child safety campaigners were outraged when the Most Rev Vincent Nichols said it took "courage" for religious orders and clergy to "face the facts from their past" in response to a report examining the systematic abuse of thousands of children by Ireland's religious orders and state-run institutions. The comment was made in an interview broadcast on Wednesday.
    Judge Sean Ryan, who chaired the nine-year inquiry, only praised one order, the Rosminians, for attempting to understand the abuse as well as document it.
    The Christian Brothers, who ran the largest number of institutions, agreed to drop legal challenges and give evidence only once a deal was agreed not to name guilty clerics. A spokesman for the Irish Survivors of Child Abuse, John Kelly, said: "The religious orders ran to the safety and sanctuary of the Ryan inquiry knowing their guilty evidence was granted privilege and immunity."
    The archbishop sought to clarify his remarks before his investiture. On BBC 5 Live he said the "main use of the word courage" referred to victims and that anyone who overcame an addiction had to overcome "self deceit". He said: "It is a tough road to take, to face up to our own weaknesses. That is certainly true of anyone who has deceived themselves that all they have been doing is taking a bit of comfort from children."
    The archbishop's spokesman reiterated an earlier call for perpetrators to face legal and police processes.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/21/catholic-leader-child-abuse-ireland


    The Catholic church: faith and reason


    • Thursday 21 May 2009 22.56 BST
    It should be the among the best of times to take over the leadership of the Catholic church in England and Wales. In the face of the collapse of establishment authority, both political and economic, there is an appetite for a conversation about ethics to which nearly all would accept that religious leaders might contribute. But by the time of his installation in the early afternoon yesterday, the new Archbishop of Westminster, Vincent Nichols, must have been wondering if it was instead the worst of times. The enormity of the story detailed in the Ryan report about the years of abuse in Irish children's homes was a bleak backdrop to the service introducing the 11th archbishop. But that was all it was until he praised the "courage" of the Christian Brothers and the Sisters of Mercy for facing their past – and put himself smack into the heart of it.
    The plea from both Westminster and Lambeth – Rowan Williams was a prominent guest yesterday – is for space for faith in the public discourse. In his homily, the new archbishop called for "respectful dialogue" and "creative conversation" conducted in a spirit of generosity. But although friends say he is a warm and compassionate individual, his recent record is that of a zealous defender of the status quo. No one can doubt his skill as a campaigner: he defeated the government on faith school quotas and wounded it on legislation allowing same-sex adoption. Lambeth's highbrow opacity was going to be translated into straightforward . .syntax by Westminster, however uncomfortable. For Vincent Nichols said from the start that he was not seeking to be friends with everyone.
    But as the archbishop was reminded, it is hard to persuade others to listen when you have just said something they find offensive. The position of the church's leadership on issues such as Aids and contraception, fertility treatment and stem cell research – not to mention its obdurate rejection of married priests and women clergy despite a crisis in recruitment – cannot be changed by a mere archbishop.
    On two of the central moral questions of the day, sexuality and scientific research, the Catholic leadership clings to an absolutist position that alienates liberals, even those brought up as Catholics. And it drowns out the church's other message on compassion and social justice. The terrible abuse in Irish Catholic children's homes endured as long as it did at least partly because of the church's rigid hierarchy and its institutional opposition to challenge. That could change, but sadly the new arch. .bishop's unfortunate phrasing at this immensely significant moment in the history of Irish Catholicism has struck an unhappy note. Inevitably it will disappoint some who had hoped for a new beginning.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/21/vincent-nichols-irish-child-abuse
     
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    Plotinus Philosopher Administrator

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    That is all very well, but what's it got to do with the topic of this thread?

    And yes, Blue Monkey made me a new avatar. I change avatars whenever someone makes me one.
     
  6. Agent327

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    It seems I'm not the only one stuck on this moral-amoral issue. (And no, that is not 'all very well'.)
     

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