Prove God Exists - Act Three

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John HSOG said:
You know what I meant :rolleyes:
No, actually I don't.
I think if there were an omnipotent, sentient, self-aware, omniscient being that wanted to remain mysterious to us lowly humans, it would be able to do this much better then it seems to have done.
The real thing about god and religion, is that deep down, it just doesn't make sense. :)
 
Blasphemous said:
The real thing about god and religion, is that deep down, it just doesn't make sense. :)
Quite possibly the truest thing I've heard in a long time. Well said :goodjob: .
 
Perfection said:
DAMN!!! Well, I guess I'll go join the local mosque! :p

No don't join the mosque they are a bunch of hypocrites and bastards. They i.e. the Arabs and Pakistanis have no glue about Islam. My advice to you would be to stay put, and do research form the out side. The mosques today are no good and they have lost there prestige and wealth of knowledge they once had, ever since the Arab and Asians started owning mosques they have done nothing with it! That’s my advice to you, Well is if you are serious about religion.

You can find more information outside the mosque than in it. They say stuff like women can't marry who they want, women can't work, women are not allowed education, women are not allowed to own companies, women can't have the freedom to speak there mind and tell us what they think! :mad:

But what do Arabs and Pakistanis know about Religion? :rolleyes:
 
cgannon64 said:
Didn't the Arabs create Islam? :confused:
They created it and they're proud of it, as much as Christians are for their religion.
 
@Ham-Babs, I highly doubt that the true nature of mosques is like that, perhaps a few extremist mosques, but I'll garantee you that your everyday mosque ain't like that!

Additionally I have no interest in joining a mosque, this can be shown by the fact that I used the ":p" smilie, my lack of belief in all things religious, and the fact it was used in response for Drunk Master's joke picture.

Lastly this has nothing to do with the topic and IMHO is nothing more than an undeserved insult to Arabs.
 
Is it possible for you guys to accept God without religion attached?
 
CivCube said:
Is it possible for you guys to accept God without religion attached?
Who said that we don't believe in "God"? In our case, we're trying to find out more about our "God": that means that we question eveything - "God" included.
 
King Alexander said:
Who said that we don't believe in "God"? In our case, we're trying to find out more about our "God": that means that we question eveything - "God" included.

Just asking, friend...what I meant was whether you think a universal conciousness could exist without religion.
 
CivCube said:
Just asking, friend...what I meant was whether you think a universal conciousness could exist without religion.
Hey, no hard feelings: we're just say our opinions. Don't need to "apologize". :)

Now to your question:
1) I, as a non-believer, think that it certainly could exist without a religion, and before you think anything else, I'll say; would a universal consciousness have the NEED of anyone to praise him and make him his god? If so, woudn't that be considered egoistic, at least?

2) As for the believers I'd say: it certainly could exist without a religion, as it could "exist" in today's world; the people all around the world have not a common faith, but over 100-200, big/small religions. That couldn't "force" god to "dissapear" because he lost his followers.

As I've said, in both cases, god wouldn't have the need of followers to "survive/exist". That is like saying; If my children vote for a different party, I'll die for sure :D
 
John HSOG said:
God's existance does not depend on his followers being able to prove the fact.

that can also be applied to the inivisible pink unicorn, or invisible purple flying whale, or anything else you can imagine

that argument is pointless
 
cgannon64 said:
I'm honestly confused. :confused: Where does it come from then?


Obviously it came from the Arabs, don't bother taking the effort needed to become confused.

Only a cracksmokin' crackpot would say otherwise.
 
John HSOG said:
God's existance does not depend on his followers being able to prove the fact.
Very good. :goodjob: The same goes for the non-believers: simply because science hasn't solved ALL the mysteries in the universe, doesn't mean that the universe's existance depend on science ;)

I think that from this thread's title you should be able to understand how the non-believers think:

1) Believers CAN'T prove the existance of god. That is a fact. You can prove something only when you have evidence. e.g.: you can't arrest someone for a crime without evidence/witnesses.

Non-believers can't claim that they know everything about universe's creation(because, to accept something, they want it first to be proven), BUT, they can claim that they have evidence(to a certain extend) for their "god".
Using my logic, I'd say, the previous leeds to a second question:

2) If believers can't prove the existance of their god, how is it possible to believe in him? With their feelings? With what they've been told? With reading a book like the bible? What about all the other billion people in the world who also claim that their god is the real one and many of them claim that they saw him? Are they wrong? If a Christian had been born in China he would believe in Bhudda and vice versa. Nothing of the previous can be proved.

I think that the believers rely too much on their feelings/emotions. If we put aside our logic, what makes us better than the animals? Sure, we also have feelings and emotions(because, IMHO, we're animals with feelings and emotions and logic), but only using a logic path we prevailed against animals, discovered writing, medicine, science, space ships and so on...
 
CivCube said:
Is it possible for you guys to accept God without religion attached?
Well for me in theory it is, in practice, it's much more difficult. ;)
 
Nice one, Perfection! :salute:

Just a quick visit to salute the new thread!

I will be back soon to take part! :D
 
the mormegil said:
Where have all the religionists gone? :hmm:

Those good folks had to take a break after the last round of proof-evasion! ;)
 
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