Punching Nazis

[Lexicus]

You can oppose a Nazi's values without joining the "let's attack them on the streets and feel righteous when we do it!" cult.

Let's hear more about this cult. Be sure to contrast its effectiveness with that of the "you can totally oppose Nazis by doing absolutely nothing to give that opposition any real substance" cult.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Let's hear more about this cult. Be sure to contrast its effectiveness with that of the "you can totally oppose Nazis by doing absolutely nothing to give that opposition any real substance" cult.

Wow. That was a serious gut punch. Oh. Wait. No, it was just an internet comment. Had it BEEN a serious gut punch it may have influenced Vincour's future behavior.

 

[Synobun]

Be sure to contrast its effectiveness with that of the "you can totally oppose Nazis by doing absolutely nothing to give that opposition any real substance" cult.

I oppose Nazism by not being one and by encouraging others to also not be one. It's worked fairly well in my area.

 

[metalhead]

I'm sure when Trump Brownshirts show up, they'll bow before the awesome power of your rhetoric and throw down their arms.

 

[Lexicus]

I oppose Nazism by not being one and by encouraging others to also not be one. It's worked fairly well in my area.

What do you do when you say something, and then the person's rebuttal totally proves your point?

 

[Synobun]

I'm sure when Trump Brownshirts show up, they'll bow before the awesome power of your rhetoric and throw down their arms.

They're not a supernatural army that crawls out of the grave. Trump's supporters are made up of your family members, your neighbours, and your peers. Everyone has shifting political allegiances, everyone has a reason for what they believe. You'd do well to stop pretending the SS is on your doorstep and that's why you have to attack someone on the street.

What do you do when you say something, and then the person's rebuttal totally proves your point?

I would make a vague post about it so I can feel falsely superior over them.

 

[Lexicus]

I would make a vague post about it so I can feel falsely superior over them.

This made me feel bad because it's certainly not reflective of how I feel here, so I apologize if that's how I'm coming across.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I oppose Nazism by not being one and by encouraging others to also not be one. It's worked fairly well in my area.

Worked great in the Jewish ghettos. Hardly anyone in those areas joined the Nazi party.

 

[Farm Boy]

I'm sure when Trump Brownshirts show up, they'll bow before the awesome power of your rhetoric and throw down their arms.

Doesn't seem to work once they start scaring people in the street and breaking things. Usually the police need to at a minimum show a credible threat of violence, at that point.

 

[Synobun]

Worked great in the Jewish ghettos. Hardly anyone in those areas joined the Nazi party.

If you cannot see the difference between the WW2 ghettos and a common American street, you've got bigger problems to contend with than arguing with me on the internet.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

If you cannot see the difference between the WW2 ghettos and a common American street, you've got bigger problems to contend with than arguing with me on the internet.

If you can't see the similarities yet by the time you do your problems might be impossible to contend with.

 

[Lexicus]

If you cannot see the difference between the WW2 ghettos and a common American street, you've got bigger problems to contend with than arguing with me on the internet.

Well, the street I live on, not so much. Head to Southeast DC though and you might change your mind about this.

 

[Synobun]

Do you two genuinely believe you're living in Nazi America with the SS about to break down your doors? That the trains and camps are just waiting to be filled and your valiant support of sucker-punching people is the one thing keeping it from happening?

Or are you just having a giggle? I can't tell.

 

[Lexicus]

Do you two genuinely believe you're living in Nazi America with the SS about to break down your doors?
That the trains and camps are just waiting to be filled and your valiant support of sucker-punching people is the one thing keeping it from happening?

Or are you just having a giggle? I can't tell.

Er, no, I was simply making the point that we use the term 'ghetto' in this country to refer to a certain kind of neighborhood for a reason. The similarities are probably a lot more evident to people living in those neighborhoods than they are to me or you.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Do you two genuinely believe you're living in Nazi America with the SS about to break down your doors? That the trains and camps are just waiting to be filled and your valiant support of sucker-punching people is the one thing keeping it from happening?

Or are you just having a giggle? I can't tell.

I definitely believe that I live in an America where if I wore a yellow star emblazoned on my overcoat...errrrr, a tee-shirt pointing out that Trump embraces every tenet of fascism...that there are a lot of places it wouldn't be safe for me to go. Including the streets of my home town, since even though the vote here tilted heavily against Dingbat Donny the vote among cops tilted heavily for him and they already aren't inclined to protect or serve people who aren't "real Americans" like themselves.

Do you genuinely believe that the first day Hitler walked into the Reichstag the SS immediately started breaking down doors? Do you think history proves the Germans were right to wait until they did (and well beyond)?

 

[Akka]

What do you do when you say something, and then the person's rebuttal totally proves your point?

It reminds me when I argue with Lexicus.

 

[Synobun]

It's sad that your world view is so warped that you think that way.

At least if your perspective ends up happening, you can say "I told you so"? Whatever consolation that may be in such a circumstance.

 

[Traitorfish]

You're just trying to emotionally load a word to express your disgust. That's rather pointless.

No, I'm quite serious. "Humanity" is an historical project, and Nazism represents an explicit and violence rejection of that project. Humanity, humanism, must defend itself, so it follows that Nazism cannot be tolerated. They certainly have no intention of returning the favour.

To appeal to the community humanity of Nazi and Jew is to appeal to the shared destiny of each, and I can tell you very bluntly: there is no such thing.

They're not explicitly pro-Nazi, they're implicitly pro-Nazi. Either way, it's wrong to be against punching Nazis

I would disagree with this. It is entirely possible to have a morally-coherent opposition to punching Nazis.

It's just not a position that we're likely to see in this thread unless Park makes a surprise return.

what a wonderful example of groupthink....humanity is a community of individuals....ok so nazis don’t deserve to live because of their ideology of exterminating a race, individuals who, according to nazis, have certain undesirable traits ....maybe marxists don't deserve to live because they want to exterminate individual will and attainment/accomplishment? (which group has so far killed more people with their failed ideology?) ....it is much easier to discard some "fragment" of a community which is not healthy for the collective, no?....greater good and all that....you can argue the rightness or wrongness of these ideas, no matter, it will always be easier to kill the subhuman.....and whether right or wrong...don't really matter if you end up on the side with better (or worse) guns.

Is it so difficult to believe that a person might have more than merely intellectual distaste for Nazism?

Hygro: it's wrong to empower Nazis.
west india man: it's right to empower Nazis if we get to punch them first.

It's still not clear to me how publicly humiliating one of their leaders constitutes "empowerment"?

If you want to raise an objection, it should be the thousand liberal think-pieces that brought a fringe weirdo like Spencer to the public attention for the sake of a premise and a deadline. Google his name: you get articles in broadsheet newsapers and mainstream magazines, mostly dating from around the election. There's even a Salon article from 2013 on the first page. He wouldn't have being interview, wouldn't have been a target for a righteous bruising, if others hadn't laid the groundwork.

 

[Synobun]

No, I'm quite serious. "Humanity" is an historical project, and Nazism represents an explicit and violence rejection of that project. Humanity, humanism, must defend itself, so it follows that Nazism cannot be tolerated.

It's as much a historical project as Marxism is a recipe in a cook book or you can visit the national landmark of 20 Celsius.

You have such an absurdly baffling idea of what "humanism" is, and about which people are human beings and which aren't, that I'm not sure you're even TF.

Fortunately, your opinion doesn't change that when you do an autopsy on a Nazi and count all the rings, they will indeed be confirmed to be human. Weird how nature do dat.

 

[Akka]

No, I'm quite serious. "Humanity" is an historical project, and Nazism represents an explicit and violence rejection of that project. Humanity, humanism, must defend itself, so it follows that Nazism cannot be tolerated. They certainly have no intention of returning the favour.

To appeal to the community humanity of Nazi and Jew is to appeal to the shared destiny of each, and I can tell you very bluntly: there is no such thing.

You're just illustrating what I'm saying.
Nazi are human beings. It doesn't make them any more likeable, doesn't absolve them of their disgusting ideas or actions, doesn't improve their station in any way. It's just a fact, and it's pointless and childish to try to argue against.
If they are as bad as they are supposed to be (and they are), there is no need to try to demonize them further through appeals to emotion.
And yes, they are opposed to the idea of humanism. Doesn't mean they suddendly change their species.