Punching Nazis

[Timsup2nothin]

In defence of Neville Chamberlain, it is quite unclear that going to war a year earlier in 1938 over Czeckoslovakia would have been any more successful.

In defense of Hitler, eliminating one spokesman really makes no difference if a quarter of the people are fascists and more than half of the rest of the people are afraid to stand up to them. It's time to acknowledge that Hitler wasn't the problem and Trump isn't the problem.

 

[Gen.Mannerheim]

I've actually heard this one in person. I knew a Dutch guy in prison who played the "commies are worse, and besides, no one really liked the jews anyway" defenses pretty regularly. He was similarly expressive in regards to apartheid in South Africa, where he felt that the German and Dutch were clearly on the right track until English colonists ruined everything by treating the "kaffirs" like they were actually human. Bad move given the venue. He's dead, and well so.

I'm not sure you know what I'm arguing...

Nazism and Communism are both evil, and should not be allowed to return to prominence. But I'm question why people today are all "punch you're local Nazi" while hating communists (the actual sworn enemy of the capitalistic West) is in curbed under
1) Commies today are just left-leaning people the lean too hard or
2) An unwarranted attack on someone else's political beliefs

 

[Lexicus]

Well, duh. Clearly, 1920 was the right time to strike.

Personally I think the Weimar government could have done the world a big favor by shooting Hitler and about fifty or so other top Nazis in 1923 after their abortive attempt to overthrow the Bavarian government, but I suppose in your view this would have made them as bad as the Nazis.

 

[Yeekim]

Personally I think the Weimar government could have done the world a big favor by shooting Hitler and about fifty or so other top Nazis in 1923 after their abortive attempt to overthrow the Bavarian government, but I suppose in your view this would have made them as bad as the Nazis.

What, only after that? You must be getting soft.
Guess that explains why you're still here, neglecting to ensure your survival.

In defense of Hitler, eliminating one spokesman really makes no difference if a quarter of the people are fascists and more than half of the rest of the people are afraid to stand up to them. It's time to acknowledge that Hitler wasn't the problem and Trump isn't the problem.

Right. Your problem is 63 million people, give or take. But I guess we all know the solution, so there's that at least.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm not sure you know what I'm arguing...

Nazism and Communism are both evil, and should not be allowed to return to prominence. But I'm question why people today are all "punch you're local Nazi" while hating communists (the actual sworn enemy of the capitalistic West) is in curbed under
1) Commies today are just left-leaning people the lean too hard or
2) An unwarranted attack on someone else's political beliefs

Communism is economics. It has had very little impact on the world, as it has not been implemented recently anywhere significant. What you are referring to in your complaints is "state capitalism," which is barely distinguishable from any other form of capitalism in its corrosive effects.

The key point is that economics is certainly debatable based on outcomes, but people spouting about "ethnic cleansing" are on the far side of what someone referred to as the "clear bright line."

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Right. Your problem is 63 million people, give or take. But I guess we all know the solution, so there's that at least.

Yup. An unfortunate conundrum. I favor dissolution, with an agreed period of assisted immigration between the formerly united countries available on request.

 

[Yeekim]

Yup. An unfortunate conundrum. I favor dissolution, with an agreed period of assisted immigration between the formerly united countries available on request.

The likely result of this plan sounds like something that Spencer guy is dreaming of. I guess there is hope for peaceful resolution after all.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The likely result of this plan sounds like something that Spencer guy is dreaming of. I guess there is hope for peaceful resolution after all.

Sure. They sound alike if you twist both into pretzels. If that gives you hope I'm okay with that, but given that you yourself are a beneficiary of exactly the kind of dissolution I favor it makes me think you're pretty hypocritical.

 

[Lexicus]

Sure. They sound alike if you twist both into pretzels. If that gives you hope I'm okay with that, but given that you yourself are a beneficiary of exactly the kind of dissolution I favor it makes me think you're pretty hypocritical.

FWIW he's a beneficiary of the policies Spencer proposes too.

 

[Civitar]

Of course Nazis aren't threatening anything you sympathize with. That's been obvious from the moment you entered the conversation. They are no threat to you because they represent you.

Meanwhile, any time you want to demonstrate how you've stood up to people like me drop me a line.

There are thousands of loudmouthed cowardly fools to deal with here in Europe, I don't need to waste time on another stupid internet chest-thumper.
Nazis don't threaten me because they have been extinct for 70 years. Neonazis are no threat to me because while they are Jew-obsessed LARP-style fanatics we both want Muslims gone from our countries. If you call that representing me, you need to educate yourself.

 

[Synobun]

I love that this thread has turned into varying forms of "cash me ousside how bow dah".

So much joy is being added to my life.

 

[Yeekim]

Sure. They sound alike if you twist both into pretzels. If that gives you hope I'm okay with that, but given that you yourself are a beneficiary of exactly the kind of dissolution I favor it makes me think you're pretty hypocritical.

Now you've lost me. I understood that you'd like to for the US to dissolve, leaving Trump supporters into one and the rest with yourself into another part. This seems likely to result in a mostly white ethnostate for Spencer to enjoy, no?
How would I be a beneficiary or what makes me a hypocrite honestly I don't get.

FWIW he's a beneficiary of the policies Spencer proposes too.

Er... what?

 

[Gen.Mannerheim]

Communism is economics. It has had very little impact on the world, as it has not been implemented recently anywhere significant. What you are referring to in your complaints is "state capitalism," which is barely distinguishable from any other form of capitalism in its corrosive effects.

The key point is that economics is certainly debatable based on outcomes, but people spouting about "ethnic cleansing" are on the far side of what someone referred to as the "clear bright line."

So Stalin trying to starve out the Ukrainians doesn't count? Or the cleansings that Pol Pot unleashed on Cambodia? While one may quibble over if a "Communists" country is truly communist or not, the point is that they identified themselves as communists. And outside of the British Empire, they have had perhaps the biggest impact on modern history.

 

[Civitar]

I love that this thread has turned into varying forms of "cash me ousside how bow dah".

So much joy is being added to my life.

I am a bit surprised tim made it this far in a thread that even has "punch" in the title.

So Stalin trying to starve out the Ukrainians doesn't count? Or the cleansings that Pol Pot unleashed on Cambodia? While one may quibble over if a "Communists" country is truly communist or not, the point is that they identified themselves as communists. And outside of the British Empire, they have had perhaps the biggest impact on modern history.

Honesty is not something that leftists understand very well... whenever communists kill millions "it was not real communism!" but when nazis kill millions "all nationalism is genocide!!!"

 

[Timsup2nothin]

There are thousands of loudmouthed cowardly fools to deal with here in Europe, I don't need to waste time on another stupid internet chest-thumper.
Nazis don't threaten me because they have been extinct for 70 years. Neonazis are no threat to me because while they are Jew-obsessed LARP-style fanatics we both want Muslims gone from our countries. If you call that representing me, you need to educate yourself.

You seem to have a strange definition of represent, since you seem to think they don't represent you even though you say that they want what you want.

Good demonstration about how there are loudmouthed cowardly fools in Europe though.

 

[Lexicus]

So Stalin trying to starve out the Ukrainians doesn't count? Or the cleansings that Pol Pot unleashed on Cambodia? While one may quibble over if a "Communists" country is truly communist or not, the point is that they identified themselves as communists. And outside of the British Empire, they have had perhaps the biggest impact on modern history.

For the record, anyone who wants to punch some tankies isn't going to get any argument from me.

 

[Civitar]

You seem to have a strange definition of represent, since you seem to think they don't represent you even though you say that they want what you want.

Good demonstration about how there are loudmouthed cowardly fools in Europe though.

They are nationalists and want to deal with our Muslim infestation; on those matters, you could say they represent me or I represent them. But I am completely opposed to them on the questions of Jews or racial superiority. I would not want them running my country, but I would take them over the traitorous vermin that are currently in power in Germany and Scandinavia.

For the record, anyone who wants to punch some tankies isn't going to get any argument from me.

This is what I do not understand, Lexicus. You are ok with attacking nazis and communists for what they believe, but where does it stop? Who decides where the line is drawn that means you can attack these people for their views but not these?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So Stalin trying to starve out the Ukrainians doesn't count? Or the cleansings that Pol Pot unleashed on Cambodia? While one may quibble over if a "Communists" country is truly communist or not, the point is that they identified themselves as communists. And outside of the British Empire, they have had perhaps the biggest impact on modern history.

They identified themselves as communists, and North Korea identifies their leader as a democratic populist. How totalitarians self identify is really not much of an indicator. I mean, Civitar doesn't self identify as a nazi sympathizer, he just acknowledges sharing their views.

 

[Gori the Grey]

You say that advocating for forced relocation is "advocating violence". They say that advocating for race-mixing is "advocating genocide".

I know the discussion has gone on to all kinds of other things, but could I hone in on this claim? That thread where the dude posted the alt-Right's manifesto got closed down before I was able to make one of my comments. He kept asking respondents if they were advocating for white-genocide. What I wanted to ask and say is "doesn't preventing this kind of 'white-genocide' lie entirely within the hands of the whites themselves? If someone is concerned about this, go find a nice white girl and have kids with her. Bam, the white race lives on for another generation." Nobody is advocating for obligatory race-mixing. Most sane people would probably support "race-mixing" at the discretion of the involved parties. But if a "white genocide" occurred as a result of millions of individual choices to "race-mix," who would there be to miss the white race that had disappeared that way? And until that should happen, the white genocide has been avoided.

I mean, of all the overstated menaces . . .

 

[Timsup2nothin]

They are nationalists and want to deal with our Muslim infestation; on those matters, you could say they represent me or I represent them. But I am completely opposed to them on the questions of Jews or racial superiority. I would not want them running my country, but I would take them over the traitorous vermin that are currently in power in Germany and Scandinavia.

The irony of claiming "muslim infestation" but denying support of "racial superiority" in the same post is apparently lost on you. At least you didn't combine that into a single sentence.