Question on heaven...

civ2 said:
puglover
I still can't understand WHAT was your question???
Please, explain it normally!:D

I can't explain it any more simply. If God can forgive people now without sacrifice, why didn't he do that in the time of Israel? I'm sure it would save a lot of goats and bulls.
 
garric said:
If a child dies, is he a child in heaven? Will he ever grow up to be an adult?
What about a fetus?
What about someone suffering from alzheimers? Will a person lose his mind while in heaven?


Can someone explain what would happen in these situations, and others. Thanks.

If a child dies, he's a worm farm.
Or ashes...
 
warpus said:
God can't know the future due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

I'm sure if he can see matter as it is and not as some abstract mathematical wave function with no classical interpritation he can make some pretty good guesses though :)
 
I'm not christian, but I do have a scientific idea of the afterlife. I have heard about OBE's (out of body experiences) and its truly amazing. The one seven year died for about 45 minutes yet to her she was fully conscious and dettached from her body. The emergency doctors measured the brain activity (as is required) of the girl and, as you would expect of a dead person, there was absolutly no brain activity. That would mean that, because she and thousands of others claim was conscious, that there must have been brain activity outside of the brain. What does this have to do with heaven you may ask. Well, it could be that (I personally haven't completely accepted this, but) when you die, all that happens id that your neorons and all your brain activity happens outside your body and you are basically bodilies, floating information. You may ask, how can there be outside brain activity if there is nothing to connect the information. Well, I personally think that the answer lies in an experiment that has been done. What happened in this experiment was that there were two atoms that were completly alike in every way that were seperated by about a mile. Then another atom had its information but into the other atom so that the atom changed into the other form. Here's the fascinating part, The other atom, a mile away, changed its form into the other atoms form. The information seemed to instantiously be transfered to the other atom a mile away. Maybe that is information would be communicated outside the brain, maybe not, the afterlife by no means has been scientifically proven to exist and even if it were we defianently haven't figured out scientifically. In a more direct answer to your question, a fetus (assuming fetuses are conscious in there mother womb) would remain unconscious, a child would maintain its intellegence and possibly gain wisdom (in other more scientific terms-collect more data of its environment) after in died and samegoes for adults.
 
warpus said:
God can't know the future due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

Er... that was random. [offtopic]
 
warpus said:
God can't know the future due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

I decided to look this up even though upon first reading it, the statement was saying that God cannot predict the future because humans don't know how to yet. Or simply can't.

Upon looking into it, I was right, that is all that this statement proves. God doesn't abide by the same laws of physics man must on Earth. The reason there is always a 1% chance of unpredictability is because at anytime God can make a change. The HUP only applies to beings in this demension.
 
King Flevance said:
I decided to look this up even though upon first reading it, the statement was saying that God cannot predict the future because humans don't know how to yet. Or simply can't.

Upon looking into it, I was right, that is all that this statement proves. God doesn't abide by the same laws of physics man must on Earth. The reason there is always a 1% chance of unpredictability is because at anytime God can make a change. The HUP only applies to beings in this demension.

Thats assuming that god even exists which hasn't scientifically been proven and the Heinsenberg uncertainty principle is not at all based on god making changes. Poor Heisenberg uncertainty principle it makes me want to cry, oh the abuse, the pain.

Don't muck around with religion and science, you may end up offending nerds like me. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to silently calculate the velocity of my tear drops on it's course towards the surface of earth. *sniff* *sniff*. JK

But seriously, man you can't just state that as fact when you don't have an argument for it or for that matter any *scientific* proof.
 
God can do whatever the hell he freakin' wants. He's freakin' God! He can vioalte any law at will at any time!

Don't be silly, Greenpeace!
 
Theoritcally God (yes I'm capatilizing it for you-aren't I nice) could do whatever it wants (I say "it" because god couldn't have a gender and unless it was a DNA composed earthling-it just doesn't make scientific sense to have sex organs and not ever need to use them). However, I'm debating wether it exists and so far, I got the *scientific* advantage since you don't have proof. Of course I don't have a complete advantage since I would probably be beat to the ground if I told this to at least a hundred million people.

poor, uncertainty principle *sniff.*

edit: I hope you enjoy all the spelling mistakes, I am feeling to tires to check it like I do all my other posts.

edit: YYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 101 posts!!!!! :bounce: :trophy: :trophy: :trophy: :bounce: WOOHOO
 
greenpeace said:
However, I'm debating wether it exists and so far, I got the *scientific* advantage since you don't have proof.
Except that that's not how you are arguing...

You seem to be applying science to god and saying sense god doesn't fit these ideas god must not exist. (Of course, I continually got lost in that hell-hole of a paragraph you created).
 
greenpeace said:
I'm asking you to proof god.
I'm not sure how that corresponds with my previous statements.

greenpeace said:
So tell what makes you think god exists.
Nothing makes me think God exists.
 
Let me get this straight,
you said that I was trying to say god doesn't exist because he violates the laws of physics. Then I say how can you proove god exists.
In other words you told me that I'm arguing on false data and I asked you if you had any data.

p.s. if you don't beleive in god than I beleive I completly and misunderstanding everything.
 
greenpeace said:
p.s. if you don't beleive in god than I beleive I completly and misunderstanding everything.
You are!

Disbelief in god comes from lack of evidence, not direct disproof.
 
greenpeace said:
What??? Are you arguing that god exists or that it doesn't
Perf is split right down the middle on the question.
 
greenpeace said:
What??? Are you arguing that god exists or that it doesn't
I'm not arguing the existance or inexistance of God, I'm arguing against using the inconsistancy of God with certain scientific theories as disproof for the existance of God.
 
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