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Mec AntiKythera
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The incidence of Holy Cities equals the reflection one needs to spend plotting the acquisition of said cities. They are they light by which you see distant places.
TheMulattoMaker
Dictator of RF
I think all these comments complement each other very well.
Help me Sid, I just can't stop...
Okay, okay, back to your regularly scheduled noob questions. I'm dealing with some annoying spy incursions. I'm still a few techs away from Democracy, so as far as I know the only thing to do is park spies in my border cities. This seems to have stopped the water poisoning, but now they're tearing up the countryside. Do I have to have a spy on every tile I want to protect, or does the spy in the city cover the whole BFC? And would running counterespionage missions put a stop to the madness or just slow it down? Thanks.
Help me Sid, I just can't stop...
Okay, okay, back to your regularly scheduled noob questions. I'm dealing with some annoying spy incursions. I'm still a few techs away from Democracy, so as far as I know the only thing to do is park spies in my border cities. This seems to have stopped the water poisoning, but now they're tearing up the countryside. Do I have to have a spy on every tile I want to protect, or does the spy in the city cover the whole BFC? And would running counterespionage missions put a stop to the madness or just slow it down? Thanks.
Danelius90
Hunter (of vegetables)
I'm inclined to say spies affect the tiles they are on, but not definite.
Counter espionage does what it says, it increases the cost for 10 turns so either they will use loads of EPs against you or will wait till the 10 turns are done
Sisiutil
All Leader Challenger
I'm not sure of the mechanics of it, but I think that you can also increase the cost of espionage missions by increasing your EPs against whoever you think is the main culprit. Can anyone confirm/explain further?
TheMulattoMaker
Dictator of RF
Well, I'm sure it's costing them quite a bit (Pericles and Izzy, btw) because I'm outspending them on EPs by a decent amount. I was just wondering if there were any other ways to stop them besides parked spies (which I'm doing, just maybe not enough) and SecBureau (which I don't have yet). I read somewhere that having two spies running defense doesn't give any more protection than one, does anybody know if that's correct?
PS- I haven't gotten around to making my sooper-dooper espionage city that you mentioned a couple days ago. I've only played about ten turns since then, life keeps happening...
Sisiutil
All Leader Challenger
IIRC, stacking spies in the same city or on the same tile do increase the chances of thwarting espionage missions there, but the game has a sharp "law of diminishing returns" built into it. I.e. the first spy parked on a city increases your chances of catching foreign spies substantially, but the next one increases the odds so little that it's barely worth bothering, and so on.
My theory is that all following spies see the first one is on the job and head off to the nearest 5-star hotel/casino to down some dry martinis (shaken, not stirred), play a few hands of baccarat, and find an attractive woman with a double entendre for a name. So, y'know, they're around if needed, but are likely to be... preoccupied.
You have to unpack the scenario first with WinRar. Then you put the unpacked files in your mod folder.
Well, I'm sure it's costing them quite a bit (Pericles and Izzy, btw) because I'm outspending them on EPs by a decent amount. I was just wondering if there were any other ways to stop them besides parked spies (which I'm doing, just maybe not enough) and SecBureau (which I don't have yet). I read somewhere that having two spies running defense doesn't give any more protection than one, does anybody know if that's correct?
PS- I haven't gotten around to making my sooper-dooper espionage city that you mentioned a couple days ago. I've only played about ten turns since then, life keeps happening...
Counter espionage missions helps, especially against the "big ticket" jobs like stealing techs
I picked up the 'Civ-IV' pack on Steam, and I'm wondering of the four titles, are they all just parts of the same game, or do the expansions 'modify' the original game? The titles include:
Civilization IV
Civilization IV: Warlords
Civilization IV: Beyond The Sword
Civilization IV: Colonization
So do these run as individual titles, or do they just roll new content into the main title? Can one still play the 'original' title versions once the expansions are installed?
Secondly, is there any benefit or detriment to avoiding playing just the bare title at first? Or is there a particular expansion that is best installed for a new player to learn the game on?
Civilization IV
Civilization IV: Warlords
Civilization IV: Beyond The Sword
Civilization IV: Colonization
So do these run as individual titles, or do they just roll new content into the main title? Can one still play the 'original' title versions once the expansions are installed?
Secondly, is there any benefit or detriment to avoiding playing just the bare title at first? Or is there a particular expansion that is best installed for a new player to learn the game on?
Beyond the Sword is the final refined version of Civ IV (Warlords was the previous expansion); it's the one you want to play.
Colonization is a completely different game using the same engine.
Oh, and welcome to the forums.
vhhawk
Warlord
We refer to this as 'vanilla' Civ 4. The game was significantly rebalanced in the Beyond the Sword (BtS) release. Most advice and commentary here on these forums are on the BtS version.
The differences between vanilla and BtS are great, and I'd advise going straight to BtS.
Mec AntiKythera
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Colonization is separate, Warlords and Beyond the Sword are expansions to plain Civ IV. You can still play the original version with the expansions installed, all options remain open.
As to which version you should play, most will tell you to play BtS but I would point out that if you want to slowly discover new facets of the game, new leaders, new wonders, new techs, new mechanics then I would (and I am doing so myself) start with the Vanilla version, move on to Warlords and then finally to BtS. That way every time you think you have seen it all you can just add more interest to the game and prolong the enjoyment of discovery. BtS is probably the best version, but if you start there then the other versions have nothing to offer you. If you are new to the Civ series then I would certainly begin with Vanilla, there is so much to learn that you can best start with the least complicated version.
Darth Fred
Prince
Darth Fred
Prince
Is there a forum for the Road to War mod? I looked and didn't see one so I figured I'd ask.
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TheMulattoMaker
Dictator of RF
Darth Fred
Prince
Hey that's great. They guy who's never played it... found the forum for the guy who does.
Thank you. I'm much obliged.
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Danelius90
Hunter (of vegetables)
it's much to your personal taste, and I would be inclined to do agree here. Fair enough if you want to dive in, but perhaps seeing the changes progress yourself will help you to appreciate why they were made? You can also learn the game without having people pee in your water AND not screw up the cultural victory. Just don't be disappointed if your fav leader + trait combo is changed in a new version!
I missed out warlords, played bts on the expansion (over my friends house). When I got complete version first thing I did was fire up warlords
but only played 2 or so games, so I did kinda miss out on that. But in reality, I guess you don't miss out much, unless you have OCD and really fuss about the order 
Heliac
Chieftain
I agree. You will need the latest patch for BtS (3.19?) to iron out any bugs.
And while you're at it, install the latest BAT Mod (3.0.1?). This mod also includes the BUG Mod and Blue Marble, which amongst many other things improves the graphics so that your world looks more realistic (based on NASA satellite images, I think) and also gives you VERY USEFUL stats that have always been there if you bothered to work them out (so it's not cheating
), but makes the game more enjoyable. It is a priceless tool for someone who's starting out.Enjoy!
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