Random Rants ΟΔ: broken record

[Timsup2nothin]

Oh boy, I didn't know this could take this long.
The last time after a couple of weeks the addiction was so bad, that at one evening it got out of control, and I had to take it every few min.
I then switched to the salt water spray for a minimum relief, but at least it got me away from it.

I hope I'll have time to get through it before it comes to that.



...er.... I'm sure you're looking at the wrong numbers here.
Wiki says measles are at 0.3% (USA).
If you read through https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/ , you'll not see a death rate for vaccines nearly as high.


1200 deaths in 7 years, when millions get vaccinated. Nowhere close to 1 deaths/3000 people.

I consider .3% negligible. No offense to Syns, but if your kids are otherwise healthy and get the minimal necessary treatment you can pretty much bank that measles isn't gonna kill them.

 

[MaryKB]

@Synsensa does your bank have internet chat support you can talk to?

Oh dear @Timsup2nothin, I fear it's much more complicated than that, right? I know with measles children can get pneumonia like 1 in 20 times or something, and even if you don't die that can be very dangerous and scary. And mumps can cause permanent problems like deafness. And rubella can be extremely dangerous for pregnant women, so sometimes you need vaccines for herd immunity to protect other people, right?

@The_J I started feeling better after about two weeks, but I was completely off any spray. My body just adjusted, and I don't get that horrible feeling any more like my nose is just swollen shut. I've been free for like over 10 years now and I won't touch the stuff at all.

 

[Synobun]

I consider .3% negligible. No offense to Syns, but if your kids are otherwise healthy and get the minimal necessary treatment you can pretty much bank that measles isn't gonna kill them.

It's not about them. It's about who they'll give measles to. That your healthy child can rock measles like the best of them is secondary to the reality that they'll give measles to twenty other people who may not be as good at combating preventable illnesses as your spawn.

@Synsensa does your bank have internet chat support you can talk to?

This is Canada. You should know that our finance industry is twenty years behind the US. Except when it comes to chip cards.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Oh dear @Timsup2nothin, I fear it's much more complicated than that, right? I know with measles children can get pneumonia like 1 in 20 times or something, and even if you don't die that can be very dangerous and scary. And mumps can cause permanent problems like deafness. And rubella can be extremely dangerous for pregnant women, so sometimes you need vaccines for herd immunity to protect other people, right?

Well, the only person I personally know who relies on herd immunity is Syns, and he just pointed out that he can't even be bothered interacting with people on the phone so he seems pretty safe from whatever might be going around the herd. When my wife was pregnant she didn't need herd immunity because she had had rubella as a kid, like pretty much everyone in my generation. Not saying that the herd immunity argument isn't a good one, just that I don't think it is near definitive enough to justify the vitriol that some people dump on parents who question the necessity of some vaccinations.

 

[Synobun]

Oh, I don't rely on herd immunity. I have all my vaccines despite my parents being anti-vaxxers. I had all the major preventable illnesses in my first year of life and barely made it, and then the state forced them to let me get vaccinated in school. Thanks, mom and dad!

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Oh, I don't rely on herd immunity. I have all my vaccines despite my parents being anti-vaxxers. I had all the major preventable illnesses in my first year of life and barely made it, and then the state forced them to let me get vaccinated in school. Thanks, mom and dad!

I don't think you are young enough for your parents to have been "anti-vaxxers." That particular "OMG you are so dangerously non-conformant that we need to label and exterminate you" movement is a pretty recent development.

 

[Synobun]

I don't think you are young enough for your parents to have been "anti-vaxxers." That particular "OMG you are so dangerously non-conformant that we need to label and exterminate you" movement is a pretty recent development.

Err. They were staunchly opposed to vaccination and fully intended to refuse the school letters until expulsion and CPS was threatened. Sounds like anti-vaxxers to me.

 

[Arakhor]

Perhaps they had a religious opposition to vaccination.

 

[Synobun]

Perhaps they had a religious opposition to vaccination.

They were in a cult, but no.

Why are people trying to school me on my own upbringing?

 

[Arakhor]

That would be remarkably foolish of me if I was.

 

[Takhisis]

You expect me to call people and interact with them? In this economy?

Don't blame the economy.

 

[Synobun]

Don't blame the economy.

Well, I can hardly blame the Argentinians.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That would be remarkably foolish of me if I was.

Me too. I was just pointing out that there was a time when people who didn't get their kids vaccinated weren't "anti-vaxxers." My grandparents didn't get my mom vaccinated against polio, even though their first child died from it. They weren't anti-vaxxers.

I'm curious now @Synsensa. If you had already had all these diseases and survived them, why was the state demanding that you be vaccinated? Not to side with your parents, but I'd probably have fought that too.

BTW, you can always blame the Argentinian.

 

[Takhisis]

Well, I can hardly blame the Argentinians.

Well, I blame the Argentinians.

 

[Synobun]

I'm curious now @Synsensa. If you had already had all these diseases and survived them, why was the state demanding that you be vaccinated? Not to side with your parents, but I'd probably have fought that too.

Children and adolescents attending primary or secondary school in Ontario must have proof of immunization against the following designated diseases:

• Diphtheria
• Tetanus
• Polio
• Measles
• Mumps
• Rubella
• Meningococcal Disease
• Pertussis (whooping cough)
• Varicella (chickenpox) – for children born in 2010 or later

Before I was 1, I had chickenpox, pertussis, rubella, and roseola. I got pertussis and chickenpox from adult family members who were also on-board the "who needs vaccinations?" train.

I still needed vaccinations for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, etc.

 

[Takhisis]

I got pertussis and chickenpox from adult family members who were also on-board the "who needs vaccinations?" train.

*facepalm*

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Before I was 1, I had chickenpox, pertussis, rubella, and roseola. I got pertussis and chickenpox from adult family members who were also on-board the "who needs vaccinations?" train.

I still needed vaccinations for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, etc.

Anyone denying you polio vaccine should have been shot.

 

[Synobun]

Anyone denying you polio vaccine should have been shot.

What's a little polio amongst friends?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

What's a little polio amongst friends?

Polio.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Sharing Polio while playing Pogo-stick Polo?