Random Rants ΟΔ: broken record

[Lexicus]

Anyone denying you polio vaccine should have been shot.

"OMG you are so dangerously non-conformant that we need to label and exterminate you"

Kind of an interesting juxtaposition there

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Kind of an interesting juxtaposition there

It was intentional. Equating polio to the measles is where things start going haywire. One merited every possible effort to eradicate it, and the other was a routine childhood disease. Somehow we have reached a point where the general population can't seem to see the difference.

 

[Lexicus]

It was intentional. Equating polio to the measles is where things start going haywire. One merited every possible effort to eradicate it, and the other was a routine childhood disease. Somehow we have reached a point where the general population can't seem to see the difference.

There is a very easy way to avoid getting measles. Why should my kid have to suffer because some other parents get all their health information from David Avocado?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

There is a very easy way to avoid getting measles. Why should my kid have to suffer because some other parents get all their health information from David Avocado?

He shouldn't. Get him vaccinated. But what does that have to do with me?

 

[Lexicus]

He shouldn't. Get him vaccinated. But what does that have to do with me?

Well, you were the one saying you don't understand why "anti-vaxxers" get so much hate. The answer is because their pseudoscientific nonsense actually presents a danger - perhaps not of dying or being crippled for life, but of unnecessary suffering - to people other than themselves and their own children (personally I think it basically constitutes child abuse not to get your kids vaccinated but w.e)

 

[Snerk]

Some of the standard child vaccines go out of date later in life. I forget which. But ideally you should renew some of them in your twenties or something. Anybody done that? I haven't.

 

[Takhisis]

IIRC people should get tetanus booster shots every ten years.

There is a very easy way to avoid getting measles. Why should my kid have to suffer because some other parents get all their health information from David Avocado?

It is hilarious to me that the man is called that, when ‘avocado’ means ‘advocate’ and in its current spelling, ‘abogado’, it actually means ‘laywer’ or ‘attorney’. Well, hilarious in a cringeworthy sort of way.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Some of the standard child vaccines go out of date later in life. I forget which. But ideally you should renew some of them in your twenties or something. Anybody done that? I haven't.

People who go to college in the states typically have to get or prove they've had booster shots to attend and/or stay in the dorms.

 

[cardgame]

Perhaps they had a religious opposition to vaccination.

In what world is that mutually exclusive with anti-vax nutjobism? In the U.S. they are 100% co-incidental "if A then B."

my mom was anti-vax too.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well, you were the one saying you don't understand why "anti-vaxxers" get so much hate. The answer is because their pseudoscientific nonsense actually presents a danger - perhaps not of dying or being crippled for life, but of unnecessary suffering - to people other than themselves and their own children (personally I think it basically constitutes child abuse not to get your kids vaccinated but w.e)

C'mon man..."unnecessary suffering"? That's a pretty heavy description to drop on something that used to happen to pretty much everyone and was just not a big deal. In a world where toddlers are shooting people at Wal-Mart going after people with mad vitriol over the risks of skipping a measles vaccination seems wildly out of proportion.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Had what I thought was a nice dinner date tonight...

Until she just took off after going to the bathroom and leaving me with the bill.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

On the plus side, if you never see that person again it was money well spent.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

I never thought of it that way.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Oh dear, I'm afraid I also bite my nails compulsively, so bad I can't wear polish or anything. And I agree it's totally harder to stop than you'd think.

Just cut them so short that it's impossible to chew them.

Is it fashionable? Nope. Do other people approve? Well, one year at a science fiction convention, one guy I was talking to after the costume contest (these Saturday night post-Bacchanal conversations can happen with anybody and meander around to some weird topics) started scolding me for my short fingernails.

What people nowadays don't tend to realize is that long fingernails get in the way, sometimes painfully so. I cut mine because of the frustrations of typing on manual typewriters and playing the organ and they just got in the way. And if your fingers happen to slip and get caught up in the typewriter keys or accidentally get smacked if you're untangling the type bars, it hurts. (you need to realize that I learned to type on really old machines that would normally be considered museum pieces by this point - but that's what the school had for us to use, so we used them)

Err. They were staunchly opposed to vaccination and fully intended to refuse the school letters until expulsion and CPS was threatened. Sounds like anti-vaxxers to me.

Yep. You don't have to be engaged in the behavior or possess a trait only after the label was invented to actually be whatever it is the label describes.

They were in a cult, but no.

Why are people trying to school me on my own upbringing?

That's what some people do. They think they know more about you than you do, and how dare you correct them?

 

[Lexicus]

C'mon man..."unnecessary suffering"? That's a pretty heavy description to drop on something that used to happen to pretty much everyone and was just not a big deal. In a world where toddlers are shooting people at Wal-Mart going after people with mad vitriol over the risks of skipping a measles vaccination seems wildly out of proportion.

I mean, can you explain how this exact logic doesn't apply to diseases like polio tho? "Every third person used to die of plague in like the 6th century, what's the big deal?"

 

[jmas]

Sorry Lemon, that's a bummer. I see hobbsyoyo's point though.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I mean, can you explain how this exact logic doesn't apply to diseases like polio tho? "Every third person used to die of plague in like the 6th century, what's the big deal?"

Because polio had a mortality rate that was orders of magnitude higher than the routine childhood diseases like measles, along with a vastly higher rate of lifetime effects. Might as well say "polio, common cold, what's the difference?"

Had what I thought was a nice dinner date tonight...

Until she just took off after going to the bathroom and leaving me with the bill.

While never seeing her again and just putting it behind you is undoubtedly the healthiest thing, if you have her e-mail you could send her a link to this.

 

[JohannaK]

You know, measles is still the vaccine-preventable disease that kills more people. Vaccination bought down deaths from almost 3M in 1980 to under 100k in 2015.

Last year 35 people died to an outbreak of measles in Europe because of falling vaccination rates in some countries.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

"Kills more people" than what? I think that 35 number was reported somewhere as 49, in something like 18,000 cases. Gun violence, cars, peanut allergies...49 people in all of Europe is in the shark attacks and lightning strikes range. I fret about wars. And famines.

 

[JohannaK]

Learn to read.