Real History Vs. Percieved History

[Steph]

Perceived history:
- France national day, the 14th of July is to commemorate the capture of the Bastille.
- By Poles: Poles resisted longer the German invasion than the French did.
- By Americans : In WWI they saved the allies who whould have lost badly without them

 

[Yeekim]

Furthermore, I find it hard to believe anyone to accept the world being flat: a ship sailing toward the horizon will appear smaller (finally the mast only being visible) before disappearing gradually (not falling of any edge). Ergo, the world is round. (The same thing can be witnessed on land with, say, a churchtower on the horizon when travelling away from - or toward - it. Again, this is only possible when the surface is curved.)

This only proves the surface of earth is curved (say, like a shell of a tortoise), not necessarily round.

 

[Masada]

Furthermore, I find it hard to believe anyone to accept the world being flat: a ship sailing toward the horizon will appear smaller (finally the mast only being visible) before disappearing gradually (not falling of any edge). Ergo, the world is round. (The same thing can be witnessed on land with, say, a churchtower on the horizon when travelling away from - or toward - it. Again, this is only possible when the surface is curved.)

Counter-factual, retrospective, with hindsight deductions ftw! If you came up with that on your own with no outside input then maybe we could conclude that in fact it is easy to conclude something which really runs contrary to all common sense when you think about it.

 

[choxorn]

This only proves the surface of earth is curved (say, like a shell of a tortoise), not necessarily round.

There's also this little thing with lunar eclipses, where the Earth's shadow, is, um, a circle.

 

[Steph]

There's also this little thing with lunar eclipses, where the Earth's shadow, is, um, a circle.

It may prove the Earth is a flat disk.

 

[Sharwood]

It may prove the Earth is a flat disk.

On top of four giant elephants, standing on an even bigger turtle.

What does July 14 commemorate? It's called Bastille Day over here.

 

[Steph]

On top of four giant elephants, standing on an even bigger turtle.
What does July 14 commemorate? It's called Bastille Day over here.

It's wrongly called Bastille day (14 July 1789). Officially, French national day commemorates the "fete de la fédération" (14 July 1790)

 

[Sharwood]

It's wrongly called Bastille day (14 July 1789). Officially, French national day commemorates the "fete de la fédération" (14 July 1790)

Well that makes significantly more sense than commemorating the storming of a prison and the slaughter of guards. Hang on, maybe that's something that should be outright celebrated.

 

[Steph]

Well that makes significantly more sense than commemorating the storming of a prison and the slaughter of guards.

You should know that the French always do things that make more sense than others!

 

[Plotinus]

It actually looks like a typo to me.

Yes, obviously I made a typo. The popular myth holds that people in the Middle Ages and Renaissance believed the world to be flat, and that Columbus, being a visionary genius who had noticed that ships disappear over the horizon, something that had escaped the attention of every other sailor, realised that it is round and had difficulty getting backing because no-one believed him. In fact, of course, everyone (both educated people and sailors) knew perfectly well that it was round, and Columbus had difficulty getting backing because people said the world was far too big to sail all the way from Europe to Asia going west, and they were right.

 

[choxorn]

It may prove the Earth is a flat disk.

Fine, pictures from sattelites then.

 

[Sharwood]

Fine, pictures from sattelites then.

But they conclusively prove that there are massive holes at the poles, thus meaning that another crackpot theory, the hollow Earth, is absolutely 100% factual.

 

[Plotinus]

Satellite photos prove only that if you try to photograph a big enough area, it will come out looking circular... satellites actually move in circles high above the flat earth, you know, photographing different bits of it at a time. Either that or the pictures are doctored to support globulism.

 

[Book Budda]

Yeah, but the Canucks and Poms didn't get their capital city burnt down in an aggressive war they started. Epic Fail!

I've gotten into so many arguments with Americans about this. "We've won every war we've ever fought!" "No, no you haven't dumbarse, you were stalemated in the first war you ever fought. Not to mention those whole Korea and Vietnam things."

Actually Vietnam was never declared a war.

Really it was the Vietnam "conflict"

And we didn't loose Korea, it was a stalemate between the U.N., South Korea vs North Korea, and Chinese "volunteers"

 

[Sharwood]

Actually Vietnam was never declared a war.

Really it was the Vietnam "conflict"

And we didn't loose Korea, it was a stalemate between the U.N., South Korea vs North Korea, and Chinese "volunteers"

Here we go.

You really think it matters whether or not you actually declare the massive war you're fighting a war? The simple fact that it was referred to as a "conflict" proves it was a war. Bear in mind, Nazi Germany didn't declare war on several of the nations it attacked. Doesn't mean they weren't at war with them, does it? There are other examples throughout history.

And you didn't lose Korea. That's arguable, considering you invaded the North and got quite conclusively and unceremoniously forced back. But whether you classify it as a stalemate or not, it hardly matters, since you didn't win. Hell, you flat-out lost the War of 1812, but I decided to be nice and attempt to avoid this very argument by declaring it a stalemate. When an aggressor gets nothing out of a war, they've lost, as they've failed to achieve their goals.

 

[Babbler]

Galileo dropped cannon balls from the leaning tower of Piza.

The weird thing about this "perceived history" (I think "folk history" is a better term, IMHO), is it often recalled in book, and then often pointed out that is just not true, rather than not saying anything about at all.

I guess some stories can never die!

 

[choxorn]

North Korea was the agressor, not us, and we only got forced out cause some idiot general provoked China into coming in.

 

[Sharwood]

North Korea was the agressor, not us, and we only got forced out cause some idiot general provoked China into coming in.

I was referring to 1812. But you still exceeded your mandate in Korea, because of that idiot general.

 

[Dachs]

I was referring to 1812. But you still exceeded your mandate in Korea, because of that idiot general.

Meh. RoK troops had already advanced into DPRK territory before MacArthur got the go-ahead to (or even began) deploy men north of the 38th parallel. There wasn't really a question of leaving them unsupported.

 

[Plotinus]

What's all this "we" and "you"? I didn't realise so many posters at CFC had personally fought in so many major wars!