Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[MathNerd]

In the plan, I said that three triremes were supposed to go searching for the New World via Iceland.

No, we will not give any cities to Germany. (Other than Medio, of course)

 

[mechaerik]

18. Well, I hereby appoint Mechaerik if he will take the position.

What would be my duties?

 

[Cull]

Your list made my day. Ilduce's avoidance to me and his response to you made my day again. The fact that I'm even posting made my day a third time.

GG

 

[MathNerd]

17. The copperheads are my issue. They will be dealt with.

Whoa.. I just caught this.

Cut it with the whole "Copperheads are mine to deal with, so nobody else is allowed to interfere." Just because you said that, I am this close to simply messing with the Copperheads to show you that you ARE NOT the Prez. For god's sake, even the Prez does not order people around like you are trying to do. Retract this statement, or your own arrogance will make you pay.

AOR: 3

 

[mechaerik]

I accept the position of governor-general.

 

[Spectrite]

1. Why move the capital? Seriously? I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED that we would gain a minimal amount of gold. Even Ilduce has agreed that it would not be worth it. Seriously guys. London is the capital of england, and we wouldnt be england without it as capital. Its a damned 13 gold of coloniual fees, and we would only lose (at a guess) around 9 of that at the moment, and it would build back up again in the future because we plan to pursue land overseas. Then the distance that would change would yield us about 2-5 gold at a guess.

It is not "a minimal amount of gold," at least in my opinion. 13 gpt in this context is quite a lot. It would let us bump our research up another 10%.

And if it makes you feel better, we can have Ravus-York and London switch names. Seriously, that's not a legitimate reason.

Its not that much. Courthouses would be a much better building to build, rather than waste hammers on a new palace.

You'd have to build a courthouse in every city you want to reduce maintenance in. That's a lot more hammers than just one palace.

3. Why the hell would we NOT BUILD LONGBOWMEN??? They are a hell of alot better than crossbowmen (whose only offensive role is taken by macemen, dont know why everyone wants them, as knights/macemen would be a better combo) and are the ideal defensive do-it-all unit for us right now. We can give some city garrison promos (2 each in border cities, 1 in each non-border city) and others hill promos (to position on key hills near the border and to base in forts).

Longbowmen are only good when PASSIVELY DEFENDING CITIES - i.e. your units are SITTING IN THE CITY WAITING FOR THE ENEMY TO ATTACK THEM, which is an awful way to defend, as I explained earlier, and Whosit has also.

6. GIVE THE CITIES TO GERMANY. We promised them medio, and i was under the impression we would give them italy as well. It makes perfect sense. If we dont let them expand, (bear in mind that they were mostly germans who died at the battle of medialanum) then what use will they be to us? No use at all. We need a USEFUL vassal, not just one that will sit there and look pretty.

They don't need land to be useful, and we certainly don't want them catching up to us.

8. Also to spec, he is furious because of the failed negotiations that whosit handled, as well as the fact that the vikings are basicly in bed with peter and russia. Russia hates us. So now Ragnar hatres us too. Its as logical as anyone can make it. Person 1 hates person 3. Person 2 has been best friends forever with person 1 since pre-k. person 1 and 3 get into a fight. person 2 sides with their BFF person 1.
Person 1: Russia
Person 2: Vikings
Person 3: Us.

So basically the entire explanation is IC. How does this work in-game? Does Ragnar actually have negative modifiers toward us? I am trying to think of possible ways to improve relations with him, and one of those ways is removing negative modifiers, but I can't do that if I don't know what the modifiers are.

11. Gifting units DOES NOT give a diplo bonus (at least it doesnt in warlords). Whoever brought it up-ARE YOU CRAZY?????????? Why the **** would we give ragnar ENGLISH/GERMAN soldiers to command? Thats like selling our military to them so we could pretend to cozy up to them.

*sigh* No it is not. It is addressing one of the reasons Ragnar is mad at us in the first place. Ragnar suffered casualties trying to take cities like Cumae, but he didn't get the cities. So he basically wasted his army. We give him units to replace the soldiers he lost. (This is IC of course, there is no modifier in-game.)

Edit:

Whoa.. I just caught this.

Cut it with the whole "Copperheads are mine to deal with, so nobody else is allowed to interfere." Just because you said that, I am this close to simply messing with the Copperheads to show you that you ARE NOT the Prez. For god's sake, even the Prez does not order people around like you are trying to do. Retract this statement, or your own arrogance will make you pay.

AOR: 3

MN, keep in mind that Arya is not the real enemy here, the Copperheads are. And I think Arya is just trying to help because he thinks his plan for dealing with the Copperheads is best and he doesn't want people messing it up. If I had such a plan I would be thinking along the same lines.

 

[arya126]

My own arrogance shall be dealt with? I said no such thing about not allowing others to interfere. I recomend for you not toot, so that we dont end up hurting each other instead of them, but i was simply stating my intentions. I WILL NOT retract my stsement just because you are 'tired' of me dealing with a problem england has failed to deal with properly. YTou show your own arrogance in making these demands.

Ilduce that was YOU who said people were researching liberalism, and you WERE WRONG. LH verified that the tech leaders only had nationalism at the tiume. NOBODY has gunpowder.

MN i just explained the problems with sending the 3 triremes. First off, LH probably ignored it because of common sense. Second, we didint have the triremes to spare. Remember the Roman Trireme? Yeah our navy was sort of busy. Plus, there were no triremes in production. So we didnt have 3 triremes period, let alone extras to send on a journey that would have been impoossible (on this map, i suspect iceland is too far from greenland to skirt the edge).

Mech i can forward you the PMs from whosit about the position if you want. Look at my profile for the initial VM convo, then it moved to PMs.

 

[Lighthearter]

Triremes - Are slogging toward Iceland. There are 2 of them. I think they can cross to the Americas but I'm not sure.

- Lighthearter

 

[Spectrite]

I know they say hindsight is 20/20, but why triremes? Workboats or galleys would've been cheaper. And why two, if they're going to the same place? Not a big deal, just wondering.

 

[arya126]

I know they say hindsight is 20/20, but why triremes? Workboats or galleys would've been cheaper. And why two, if they're going to the same place? Not a big deal, just wondering.

I had the same thoughts, but i decided that MN would have his reasons. Maybe he was expecting to go to wat with a native american empire upon arrival.

I never meant that our army should FOCUS on Longbowmen, but we shouldnt neglect them either. I find they are much more powerful defending than crossbowmen, and are reasonable attackers as well. Maces and knights should be the focus, with cats serving as supporting units with every army. But longbowmen should be the primary defensive unit in our army. We are english after all.

One palace would be in RY, which is notoriously hammer poor. It is a commerce city. Nothing elkse. For beuarcacy to be effective, we need a balanced city like london. London is the perfect capital. A coimmerce only capital would suck later in the game. Courthouses arent nearly as expensive, and should be mass produced in every city.

Spec you really arent getting the whole 'rAGNAR IS IN BED WITH RUSSIA, DEAL WITH IT' thing are you?

Thanks for the support on the copperheads issue spec.

Germany DOES need italy to be useful in the future. 2 less cities we need to pay for, and 2 more cities to ber tools for germany. We dont need these ities, and if i remmeber correctly, nobody wanted them in the first place.

Spec i dont think you remember that that i am one of the bigest advocates of a large standing offensive army. I alkways have been. I think WIM and Ilduce are the only ones in favor of a pure defensive stance by now. I dont want longbowmen to be our only unit, but they are more powerful against the enemy while defending on a hill/in a forest/in a city than any other unit.

Also IC: Maybe we should start a fort system along ther border and in germany to simulate us fortifying the border and creating military bases (i recall LH saying frderick wants us to leave a garriuson in german lands to help against any viking surprise attack) in germany/italy/germany (the vassal) that we would base troops in.

 

[mechaerik]

I never meant that our army should FOCUS on Longbowmen, but we shouldnt neglect them either. I find they are much more powerful defending than crossbowmen, and are reasonable attackers as well. Maces and knights should be the focus, with cats serving as supporting units with every army. But longbowmen should be the primary defensive unit in our army. We are english after all.

In cities, Longbows are powerful defenders, but not so much in the open. Xbows are better against melee units. Also, they have the same , so they are equally capable attackers.

Also IC: Maybe we should start a fort system along ther border and in germany to simulate us fortifying the border and creating military bases (i recall LH saying frderick wants us to leave a garriuson in german lands to help against any viking surprise attack) in germany/italy/germany (the vassal) that we would base troops in.

I like it.

 

[MathNerd]

Oh, well, darn, you didn't react violently to my comment like I wished you would have, just to throw some more fun into the RP. Forget it then, I take back my comment that comments on you taking back your comment.

Anyway, two because we don't want a barb galley to happen to wander by and kill off our great ships when they are only miles away from the new world.

 

[Lighthearter]

<Climbs on box in front of Palace>

This is Lighthearter of the Realpolitik Reporter with some breaking news! I just received a letter(Brandishes said item) from a contact in Neopolis who tells me that the Vikings and Russians have merged their gains from the war into the Eastern European kingdom of Greece! This new nation, a puppet of Nidaros, has its capital in Ravenna but has annexed the Russian Ukraine - and the iron mines at Arretium - as well - this is a worrisome issue, to be sure.

- Lighthearter

 

[Captain Fargle]

My reason for saying we need Longbows is because we don't have the capability to face Ragnar in even combat. He's not going to just run around pillaging forever, if at all. Eventually he's going to attack our cities and having Protective Longbows (With Cat Support if we can afford it) will provide us with the most favourable win loss ratio we have. Properly promoted Protective Longbows can keep our cities much safer than Crossbows can. IN the end cities are more important than tile improvements and we need to keep them safe.

EDIT: Wait what? Damn. This makes things trickier. Greek Poland, just what we needed.

 

[arya126]

Its not so bad. Its to be expected. The vikings like scandinavia. So they delegate duties of poalnd/eastern europe to another state. Now this is designed to intimidate us. Will it work? Hell no. We are better than that. All thats needed is a strike force, some forts, and an invasion of scandinvia, and POOF! They are begging us for peace.

 

[Cull]

Its a stupid move from Ragnar from a civ perspective, similar to us gifting Germany a bunch of cities.

 

[arya126]

From a game perspective, maybe, if we didnt have LH's WBing skills at hand. With those in mind, i have a feeling it was a very smart move.

IC, it was a very smart move on his part. The Realpolitik editions lately have alos hinted at this state being formed, so it comes as no surprise to any informed reader.

 

[Gruekiller]

IngSoc politician Gruekiller made this statement before a crowd in Liverpool today...

My fellow Englishmen, these past years have been a time of trial for our nation. With the help of the Vikings and our valiant German allies, we have defeated the Romans and secured peace on the Continent. The Germans now have a country to call their own, and England's borders have had their safety reassured.

But all is not at ease in Europe. A new nation, Greece, has been propped up in the east, and answers to Vikingland, even as our relations with that state become increasingly sour. The Vikings and Russians seem set upon our ruin, as the scheming Arabs plot against us in their distant realm.

But we need not fear, my comrades! England is strong and powerful, and will not mutely be tossed around like a child's plaything. Our nation's glorious people and workers can doubtless stand up to any challenge the earth may throw at us, and it is their iron resolve which will see us through these troubled times.

Thank you, my comrades! And God save our republic!

 

[ilduce349]

three triremes

You sent THREE triremes to do one triremes work.

Ilduce's avoidance to me

You posted???? When????

Ilduce that was YOU who said people were researching liberalism, and you WERE WRONG. LH verified that the tech leaders only had nationalism at the tiume. NOBODY has gunpowder.

No it wasn't, prove it?

 

[Captain Fargle]

Given the rise of a certain brand of rather extremist Imperialism recently and the the new announcement of the creation of Greek Poland, can we perhaps agree that perhaps we should be focusing this Imperialism on them and their Scandinavian Masters rather than the inoffensive and pretty harmless Irish Mongols?