Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[Aysee]

How about this:

On all cities above size 4, cottage every tile that isn't a hill or a resource. Use the right improvement to activate the resource and mine the hills.

On all cities under size 4, cottage every tile that isn't by a river, a hill, or a resource. Ditto for the hill and resource, and farm the river tiles. (If they need more food, we can always share irrigation, we do have code of laws, don't we?)

That's what I usually do on my games, what do you think?

 

[ilduce349]

And as we don't have calender cottage any tile that we can't build the appropriate improvement on.

 

[Whosit]

I agree with Whosit, if the first presidents actually made England a power, we wouldn't be in this situation, it was the presidents and the oppositions fault, the pres for not making an army, the opposition for that stupid rebellion that just weakened are empire. ahwell.

Please, the time for pointing fingers and passing blame has long passed. The past is the past. We've learned that we cannot get by with a skeleton army, so let's move on.

How about this:

On all cities above size 4, cottage every tile that isn't a hill or a resource. Use the right improvement to activate the resource and mine the hills.

On all cities under size 4, cottage every tile that isn't by a river, a hill, or a resource. Ditto for the hill and resource, and farm the river tiles. (If they need more food, we can always share irrigation, we do have code of laws, don't we?)

That's what I usually do on my games, what do you think?

Irrigation is spread by Civil Service. Also, I disagree with this plan. What improvements a city gets depends heavily on the location, and to a degree, the needs of the empire. Cities with lots of a hills and a bit of flat-land are better off with Farms to help the city work the more hills (production city). Lots of flatland, especially grasslands, and especially with a river, is a good place to lay down cottages. Europe is for cottages. Iberia is for production. Sometimes, a hybrid city is necessary, but Civ IV generally rewards city specialization.

 

[Ravus_Sol]

I agree with Whosit, if the first presidents actually made England a power, we wouldn't be in this situation, it was the presidents and the oppositions fault, the pres for not making an army, the opposition for that stupid rebellion that just weakened are empire. ahwell.

huh? What did i miss? What rebellion? As far as i was aware england hadn't had any real rebellions just some agressive opposition leaders in Arya and then Mathnerd. Neither actually used any of their power...

For now we should focus on infrastructure and build the occasional military unit, and once we have the army to do so we slaughter the romans. What might not be a bad idea is rushing civil service and getting maceman before anyone has longbows.

Surely as a defencive atrributed leader we should aim for crossbowmen and not macemen? Macemen have a better base power for attacking cities, but if you were after that we could just go for knights for city killing power of 10.

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hmmmm seems people arn't as 'together' as i thought they were on the war issue. We have whole ranges from the pacficts 'defence only' to the agressive 'crush them all' and the cautious 'make peace soon and get revenge later'.

Oh well, once elections roll around all the people wanting to go for the leader position can make their views clear. (hmmm perhaps a list of questions to highlight their leader-type. as this election will be all about the war so no plan will be made really... As has been said. It will be General Lighthearter leading the troops into battle.)

just so i know, Arya has sent of his plan and we are just waiting on the update yes?

 

[arya126]

I agree with Whosit, if the first presidents actually made England a power, we wouldn't be in this situation, it was the presidents and the oppositions fault, the pres for not making an army, the opposition for that stupid rebellion that just weakened are empire. ahwell.


For now we should focus on infrastructure and build the occasional military unit, and once we have the army to do so we slaughter the romans. What might not be a bad idea is rushing civil service and getting maceman before anyone has longbows.

I agree with whosit on not pointing fingers-but lets make something clear. Dont say 'first presidents'. The first president (Ravus) was in the VERY begining. He had his goals for a city in france and to build stonehenge. He didnt have time to build an army, and had no need to at the time.

The second president (Cull) and i dont agree on alot. I dont agree with his skeleton army, although i know why he did it and i approve of the reasons. Hi term was our expansion term, Ravus's tem wa our start up term to lay the foundations.

The i came along. I admit, i could have doe thing better, but i didnt. So lets get over it. i think i did an overall good job in the multiple tasks i faced, such as the negotiations with russia, starting basic infra programs here and there, and building some more troops along with 2 new cities. I COULD have done nothing but military, but then where would our empire be? It would be in financial ruins, and we wouldnt have what granaries and such we have now. We would be in a worse shape.

So lets stop the finger pointing (ILDUCE!) and get to current issues (like wait for the update maybe?). There is no point in pointing fingers, since its over with and we had a choice bewteen letting rome take lands that we would need in the future, and building up a serious army and limiting our expansion.

And we never had a rebellion. I have no idea where this came from. Go check the last 100 pages.

EDIT: yes i have sent the plan.

 

[Sonereal]

How about this:

On all cities above size 4, cottage every tile that isn't a hill or a resource. Use the right improvement to activate the resource and mine the hills.

On all cities under size 4, cottage every tile that isn't by a river, a hill, or a resource. Ditto for the hill and resource, and farm the river tiles. (If they need more food, we can always share irrigation, we do have code of laws, don't we?)

That's what I usually do on my games, what do you think?

It would be a lot of work and the smart thing to do is to get what we need. Iberia has enough mineral wealth to fund a future war effort if need be but the infrastructure (mines, roads, a pasture for the horse resource) are still a ways off.

OCC: I find it ironic that Julius Caesar of all people is trying to take Gaul (France) and that Rome might want Iberia (Second Punic War).

 

[MathNerd]

Ho, ho, ho. More Realpolitik.

First, Arya and Ilduce don't seem to get along at all.

Next, Xbows are great. If you're China, (UU = Cho-Ko-Nu or something like that, it replaces xbow) you can keep a city against rifles with Cho-K-Nu's.

Arya, weren't you saying before that our rexing was a bad thing?

 

[arya126]

Ho, ho, ho. More Realpolitik.

First, Arya and Ilduce don't seem to get along at all.

Next, Xbows are great. If you're China, (UU = Cho-Ko-Nu or something like that, it replaces xbow) you can keep a city against rifles with Cho-K-Nu's.

Arya, weren't you saying before that our rexing was a bad thing?

My opinion on yoru REXing is...complicated.

On one hand, i wish you hadnt spent so much time expanding, and had built up a bit for of an army. That would have made my term a little less hellish.

But on the other hand, i see why you REX'ed. I normally rex as well in my game. We needed to grab that land in order to set us up for later. If we hadnt got Ravus-York into france and Iberia settled...well lets just say we would ahve been screwed if Rome had gotten a city in either of those places.

So im at peace with your REXing, although i still disagree with alot of what you did.

 

[ilduce349]

First, Arya and Ilduce don't seem to get along at all.

He probably hates me for disagreeing with almost every point he made during his rule.
We were on good terms before that. Anyway joe, I responded to your email, and am waiting for your response. maybe, despite Arya's wishes, Me and Arya will be in the same coalition again.

 

[arya126]

He probably hates me for disagreeing with almost every point he made during his rule.
We were on good terms before that. Anyway joe, I responded to your email, and am waiting for your response. maybe, despite Arya's wishes, Me and Arya will be in the same coalition again.

I am pretty sure (99%) that i am a co-leader of that party and i have a say. hehas also stated that he would consult me before making a decision. Your first statement si true, although i found you somewhat aggravating before then as well as you always seemed the source of the tension in my party, shown by the LMP solo crisis. And from what i can tell of your personality, well its just one of those personalities that annoy the hell out of me. Simliar to WIM and MN actually.

So Ilduce, are you really trying to start this coalition talk again? I could have sworn that we came to a non-spoken agreement not to mess with coaltiions till the elections. So, let me please ask you again, DO NOT TRY AND MAKE A COALITION DURING MY TERM. You are even in my current coalition and you expect me to take your new coalition well. HA.

 

[MathNerd]

Arya, are you sleepy or something? Since you seem to have a lot more control of yourself than usual. (That's a good thing for both of us and the welfare of the thread as well.)

 

[Lighthearter]

It is a sad day for England. As you know, we have been suffering a horrendous financial crisis that dwarfs anything I have ever heard of before, with over 80% of our funding being pushed into paying down maintenance debts. The recent counteroffensive at Antium has been shattered by the unexpected appearance of an army of Praetorians, who shoved our surviving forces back into France. Now General Haulsee and Lord Whosit are attempting to prepare a frantic defense of Ravus-York in the face of Praetorians, Catapaults, Axemen and Chariots with only a handful of sorely weakened companies.

The great battle of our time is about to begin.

Antium is a fortress, established in the Swiss mountains with rivers on most every side. Our valiant men were conclusively shattered, and we still know not where the Romans fetch their iron. Britain may never recover from this treachery.

But there is still hope. Russia and the Vikings have both attacked Caesar, and the Night Eagles have appeared out of the shadows in France to aid our men in this last throw of the dice.

For if Ravus-York falls, Iberia lies open - and an invasion of the British Isles looms.

This is not good people - our financial situation is deteriorating rapidly and I have no idea how to stop it. And then there's the big fight coming up in France.

Elections have now begun. Tuesday they end. Please vote wisely.

GPC, Caesar won't even talk to us. Just so you know how futile peace talks are.

- Lighthearter

 

[MathNerd]

I might be able to get a new lurker voter up tonight!!!!

Anyway, lets make our votes in bold to make it easy (er) for LH to see. Unless something in the coalitions changes drastically, I vote for TCP and the wise Monks.

I recommend 0% science for 5 - 10 turns (we're already way behind anyway due to not enough cottages) so we can upgrade our defensive army. IF WIM AND I GET ELECTED, WE WILL NOT NEGLECT A DEFENSIVE ARMY! Remember our discussion a while back about how we dislike offensive armies, but are alright with a defensive army when it is needed? The best defense is a good offense defense.

EDIT: Was the "I have no idea how to stop it" part IC or OOC?

 

[Lighthearter]

EDIT: Was the "I have no idea how to stop it" part IC or OOC?

OOC. That's usually what I mean when I'm writing in all italics.

EDIT: LOL!! Whenever anyone says TCP I thing "OMG!! THE CHANNEL PACT!!!" arya126 can explain what that means

- Lighthearter

 

[W|M]

I VOTE FOR THE TECH PARTY AND THE MONKS!!!

LH, we need Screenshots, Military info, size of stacks with units on both sides, PRONTO!!!

 

[Aysee]

Vote for LMP.

 

[MathNerd]

I VOTE FOR THE TECH PARTY AND THE MONKS!!!

That was unexpected! Now I'm feeling bad that I didn't vote for you.

 

[Sonereal]

Depending on the size on the invasion force compared to the defenses in Ravus York, I propose will pull back from France and establish a line in the Pyrenees. France is worthless compared to Iberia. We need to hold Iberia at all costs. If we lose Iberia, England will become just another footnote in history. The hills have a higher defensive modifier and can't be taken down by bombarding units.

 

[Nukeknockout]

I hereby accept Whosit's invitation into the Imperial Party,and Dissolve the Modernizational Party. I promise to uphold our strengths and values,and to beat the crap out of anyone who dares to oppose England.For the Empire!!

EDIT: I vote for the Imperial Party,and hold my second vote in reserve

 

[MathNerd]

Wait, LH doesn't know what to do? Now we're in real trouble.

IMHO, France is the most important part of our presence on the mainland. It contains Ravus_York (the source of 95% of the world's biscuits), which is a major city.