Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[Captain Fargle]

I'd like to call on you all to shut up and let Whosit, who has proved himself extremely competent in the past, get the hell on with his job.

We're in the middle of a revolution attempt. This is not the time for parliamentary debate.

 

[Nukeknockout]

I'd like to call on you all to shut up and let Whosit, who has proved himself extremely competent in the past, get the hell on with his job.

We're in the middle of a revolution attempt. This is not the time for parliamentary debate.

exactly. and then there's this:

Hello! I am Lighthearter. Memorize the name. It shall be important later.

This is Realpolitik CIV. For those of you who aren't players of the Hearts of Iron II games or who don't venture onto their AAR forums, Realpolitik is a type of AAR where you, the CivFanatics, create political parties and then vote in elections to swear in a ruling party/coalition for the nation. This ruler could seize the reins of power and rule with an iron fist or chose to form a senate of all parties, so vote wisely.

All parties will respond to issues presented by the game host (Lighthearter), and the ruling party will either put their policy into action or heed the advice of other parties and figures and follow their course. Again, chose wisely, for bad decisions or strong opposition on the forums to the ruler could lead to me penalizing our nation in-game.

in short, Whosit has every right to be as dictatorial as he wants, he doesn't have to answer to anyone except LH. and LH is neutral on all facets of politics as far as this forum goes

 

[MathNerd]

Whosit technically doesn't HAVE to respond. However, it is considered good nature to do so.

I strongly support Aysee on this point.

AOR: 6

Also, by "penalizing our nation in game", I don't think he means go against the opposition's wishes because we are too strong.

 

[Cull]

The AOR is redundant at this point, seeing that it only acts as MathNerd's ideas about admin-non-admin things, probably biased due to his affairs being in that area, and not being by a neutral(LH or someone).

The small NPP faction of Imperial officially remains silent on the issue for now.

 

[mechaerik]

The opposition is minor.
I agree with CF, Whosit has proved himself capable.

 

[MathNerd]

The point of the AOR is to be biased. It states how the CPS feels about the parties involved.

Whosit is capable, but we would like him to post the plan. Somebody answer this: What do we lose?

 

[mechaerik]

I believe cull got it last page:


To prevent a MathNerd-esque situation where we spend weeks trying to find non-existing problems.

 

[Cull]

The point of the AOR is to be biased. It states how the CPS feels about the parties involved.

Invalid. From what I understand, it is simply acting as your/CPS's Opposition Meter. Therefore, it has little setting in a political climate too advanced for mere numbers to cover. Answer this question: What do we gain?

Whosit is capable, but we would like him to post the plan. Somebody answer this: What do we lose?

Who is we? You and what army?

What we lose is time. Precious time. While you might not admit it, time is most important. Instead of nitpicking at details irrelevant, you might wish to give advice so that the plan may be changed.

 

[MathNerd]

What we lose is time. Precious time. While you might not admit it, time is most important. Instead of nitpicking at details irrelevant, you might wish to give advice so that the plan may be changed.

What we gain: We are able to catch any and all possible flaws in the plan, and the people of England are aware of what is happening in the government. Whosit's governing is not in any way bad. He is a very capable leader, much more so than I am. However, Whosit cannot be more capable at deciding what the people want than the people themselves. This is how corruption in the government has always historically began. A secretive government, that fell apart.

Also, how am I expected to give advice if I cannot see the plan?

 

[MathNerd]

To prevent a MathNerd-esque situation where we spend weeks trying to find non-existing problems.

Think of it this way. We have two options:

Whosit posts the plan, let's the discussion rage for a few hours, then sends the plan. He NEED NOT EVEN READ THE DISCUSSION if he doesn't feel like it. The key part is that the people know what is going on.

Whosit does not post the plan.

 

[mechaerik]

If he needs not read the discussion about the plan, what is the point in posting it? he will most likely post it after he sends it anyways.

 

[Cull]

What we gain: We are able to catch any and all possible flaws in the plan, and the people of England are aware of what is happening in the government. Whosit's governing is not in any way bad. He is a very capable leader, much more so than I am. However, Whosit cannot be more capable at deciding what the people want than the people themselves. This is how corruption in the government has always historically began. A secretive government, that fell apart.

The people of England are aware of the PMs being sent back and forth. OH REALLY?!?! Did Whosit promise "I'll post the plan!" I don't think so. He has no obligation but to complainers like you to post the plan.

Also, how am I expected to give advice if I cannot see the plan?

Thats the point lololol.

NEW NUMBER: THE FIXNEWS SURVEY

99% of Englishmen feel that President Whosit is #1.

 

[MathNerd]

I thought somebody would say that. People need to know what's going on. Look at this image:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Map_Index_of_perception_of_corruption_2009.svg

The more transparent governments are the ones with the least corruption, and the most conservative governments are the ones with the most corruption.

EDIT: You can't just make up numbers without LH's permission. That's cheap.

 

[Cull]

I thought somebody would say that. People need to know what's going on. Look at this image:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Map_Index_of_perception_of_corruption_2009.svg

The more transparent governments are the ones with the least corruption, and the most conservative governments are the ones with the most corruption.

Hugely opinion. You're like Glenn Bleck with the chalkboard. SINCE PERCEPTION OF CORRUPTION BY WESTERN MEDIA=MORE OF IT IS BAD=ADMIN BAD.

EDIT: You can't just make up numbers without LH's permission. That's cheap.

And you don't.

What we gain: We are able to catch any and all possible flaws in the plan, and the people of England are aware of what is happening in the government.

I'm not asking for votes or any other fancy system of democracy. However, the people of England deserve to know what is going on within their government.

Not exactly numbers but claiming to know the people of England is lol worthy when you try to say that I'm being cheap with numbers.

 

[MathNerd]

By "people of England", I'm referring to a particular subset of people that support my views. Have you ever heard an RL politician say something along the lines of "the people of America deserve better"?

So you support corruption? Go put a poster of that up on the White House door.

 

[MathNerd]

Also, it will take all of two hours to post the plan and send the plan. Are you willing to sacrifice democracy just to save two hours? We've lived through my admin, I think we can survive two hours.

 

[Cull]

By "people of England", I'm referring to a particular subset of people that support my views. Have you ever heard an RL politician say something along the lines of "the people of America deserve better"?

Indeed, and have you heard the comebacks "you don't know what you're talking about"? Now only that, the fact that it took me to point that out to you even bother to readdress it is worrysome, no?

So you support corruption? Go put a poster of that up on the White House door.

No. Perceived conception of corruption done by (I believe, biased Western) media does not translate to any government. Not only that, by attaching the transperant thing you are adding your own twist to it.

EDIT:

Also, it will take all of two hours to post the plan and send the plan. Are you willing to sacrifice democracy just to save two hours? We've lived through my admin, I think we can survive two hours.

Are you willing to waste time to bicker about it like a fool? Do you not trust Whosit? Does the President of the vaulted USA go to the Senate over every issue?

At this point, I refuse to answer any of your ill gotten, foolish posts to not further your spamming.

 

[ilduce349]

@MN: There is no way to accurately measure corruption. Only a liberal version of Glenn Beck would believe that graph is accurate.

 

[Aysee]

I'd like to call on you all to shut up and let Whosit, who has proved himself extremely competent in the past, get the hell on with his job.

We're in the middle of a revolution attempt. This is not the time for parliamentary debate.

It is hardly Whosit's "job" to create the most authoritarian administration in English history. It is hardly Whosits "job" to set himself up as an autocrat. Which he is doing. He has vested power in himself thus making him a dictator in all but name only.

And please bear in mind, no ingame time has passed since the election. That means you can't pull the "Oh this is no time for debate, we must act now now now" card. And this is no mere parliamentary squabble either. In fact it is fair to say that the very ideals of our democracy are at stake in this matter.

As MathNerd said, the President doesn't even have to read the discussion. All we ask is that he respect the principles of democracy and post the plan.

 

[Whosit]

Well, I'm still not posting the plan, but I have taken a course of action that may result in most of you seeing the plan before I submit it, which I have pushed back until sometime tomorrow, so that the aforementioned action may take effect, if it happens to take effect.

And, no, I'm not explaining what any of that meant.

Honestly, half the reason I'm doing this is just to fulfill my campaign promise of being authoritarian. But it's amusing to watch people condemn and defend me.

Either way, plan will be posted after it is submitted, then you can see if there is any "corruption." I'm not even sure what form that would take here. I don't think I can write in the plan "give me all the money!" Unless I can... hmmm....