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Red Dwarf Mafia: The Smeggening [Game Thread - Concluded]

Recipients: Takhisis, Visorslash

Red Dwarf Mafia - a super convincing argument




You should totally vote Jarrema if you don't want to deal with... the snake.

Sssssssssssssss

Red next to yellow, friend. Red next to yellow.

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Pretty sure this is the best use of today's PM.

Would have been funnier if Takhisis had posted it back on Day 3.
 
I think this game is noteworthy in that I was not suspected as anything but town for a single second of it. That's rare, even if part of that is because I only lived to Night 4.
 
I thought the balance was reasonable, and I think 8 scum is okay with the powers town has and potential for crossfire + inquisitor shenanigans.

And the Inquisitor did manage to Inquisit-ize 4 of the scum, although he only killed two of them.

On that note, nice job, Monster team, for avoiding dying for most of the game, if only because all of you but IF were epic lurkerscum. :p
 
I think this game is noteworthy in that I was not suspected as anything but town for a single second of it. That's rare, even if part of that is because I only lived to Night 4.

Same here, though I was admittedly far more active than I have been in a while.
 
Would have been funnier if Takhisis had posted it back on Day 3.

I have to say, this was kind of a brilliant move, it seemed like the sort of thing nobody would ever do as anything but a townie. For the longest time I thought you were a well-meaning but silly and often wrong townie, and didn't really get suspicious of you until you refused to stop tunneling landlubber.
 
BSmith Night 3 and got a roleblock

WTH?

Ok BSmith you weren't the doctor I thought you were. but I thought you were a fixer, not a roleblocker?

So what are you actually?

Kryten bby don't lie to me, don't hurt me like this :p


Viruses: The sexual magnetism virus would make all members of the opposite sex target the player who used it. Xym used it night two, and all female characters targeted him even if they did not submit an action (which is where remake's night action went even though he didn't submit one).


wait. I'm a female character. I targeted BSmith N2, and wasn't redirected. Was that an error, or is that because I'm a hologram?

Kryten, see? You are my true love. Not even a sexual magnitism virus can change that!

would infect whoever targeted her first. That ended up being Winston - and I've already gone through that

so whoever targeted her (Winston) would have died, if it weren't, in this case, for BSmith's intervention?
 
(OOC: I know what BSmith's role is now. Its still kindof embarassing given how convinced I was that he was a doctor :blush: )
 
I have to say, this was kind of a brilliant move, it seemed like the sort of thing nobody would ever do as anything but a townie. For the longest time I thought you were a well-meaning but silly and often wrong townie, and didn't really get suspicious of you until you refused to stop tunneling landlubber.

I am consistently surprised at how often the stupid stuff I do works out in my favor.

...well, other than redirecting the vigilante. :D
 
Oh, nonsense. Your performance was easily the best in the game as far as I'm concerned. You kept enough suspicion on yourself to avoid getting nightkilled, which is a success in its own right, but we definitely couldn't have beaten the monsters without you.

thank you very much. I mean, I am feeling really well with my performance this game. But I really think I am better at chess than at mafia. And playing in this game, deciding whom I should 'neutralize', had sometimes more feeling of playing stategy game, than playing social game. It is part of why it was probably most fun of playing mafia that I ever had (despite being really busy in RL - I told it in the game, and I never lie about it)
 
Host error spaceman. I only just realised that now. I even spent like an half an hour on that stuff to make sure everything worked and I missed it. Sorry.
 
Host error spaceman. I only just realised that now. I even spent like an half an hour on that stuff to make sure everything worked and I missed it. Sorry.

How dare you call it an error? My :love: is real!

(OOC: ok I'll stop now)
 
But I thought remake said spaceman was his bae :love:
 
Same here, though I was admittedly far more active than I have been in a while.

Yeah I noticed that. You were pretty integral to the town victory. Good job.

I have to say, this was kind of a brilliant move, it seemed like the sort of thing nobody would ever do as anything but a townie. For the longest time I thought you were a well-meaning but silly and often wrong townie, and didn't really get suspicious of you until you refused to stop tunneling landlubber.
I thought it was hilariously brazen.

Hey Visor, sorry for posting post-mortum. I misunderstood the rules.
That's alright.

thank you very much. I mean, I am feeling really well with my performance this game. But I really think I am better at chess than at mafia. And playing in this game, deciding whom I should 'neutralize', had sometimes more feeling of playing stategy game, than playing social game. It is part of why it was probably most fun of playing mafia that I ever had (despite being really busy in RL - I told it in the game, and I never lie about it)

I was rooting for you. You played well and deserved a victory.

I'll do the inquisitor and some other things later today, and finally a commentary on roles/players and important game events.

Alright onto these things and a few other tidbits:

Inquisitor: This was obviously a rather important role for the game. I initially had him as either a serial killer, revenge seeker or neutral eventually (non survivor - at any stage judge all living players and you win or something along those lines) but I wanted to do something different with his role, he has a rather interesting background as a judge of lives so I really wanted to incorporate that somehow. I was also worried about too many kills with two scum teams and a vigilante plus rimmer vigs (either ace or arnold would get a 1 shot vig if the other died, but they both died the same night) and KM so I decided to give him a role where there are some nice benefits to not killing people. Eventually I put him as a survivor because I wanted him to not be biased to one side or another in the game and rather judge each player on their merits (or claim ;)). I think that mechanic worked really well, and I'm pretty proud of that.

The real issue is should he have been a serial killer or have a different goal - the answer is honestly I don't know. The way the game worked out he could've (and did) help the mafia in some ways, but also provided town with a victory (that was snatched from the jaws of defeat thanks to bad wolf actions). I agree with the sentiment that neutral survivor roles either have a large impact or none at all, and perhaps it would've been better to make him a true third party/not serial killer, but I think the game was still fine with it.
 
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Player Character, Alignment and Role Discussion
1. 16. Arakhor 1. Skutter (bob) Town Mason Mason with Newyn. Skutter masons made sense and gave me an excuse to pad the character base out a big. Arakhor unfortunately died N1 before he had a chance to do anything though, making it like the fifth game in a row a mason has died N1.
2. 6. Robbiecon 2. Nirvanah Crane Town Martyr Another role that died N1, robbie had a pretty powerful role that could have been very helpful in the early game for town. Again, cut down in his prime.
4. 14. Backwards Logic 4. Ace Rimmer Town Jack of All Trades Backwards was immediately guessed by both scum teams as being Ace Rimmer with his "What a guy!" comment. Scanned early (didn't lose powers to the polymorph because he was such a great guy he doesn't have negative emotions - but he would lose all powers and become like arnold rimmer if visited by the emohawk. Died early because of his powers I assume, he never used any of them - guessing he didn't have any real targets and didn't want to throw them away.
5. 30. landlubber 5. Holly Town Tracker One of the town stalwarts - very glad he subbed in. Sent in order every night bar one, played well in and out of thread. Solid performance. Decided to have a tracker because with all the night actions it would be useful. Tossed up between that and a watcher but figured watcher would be too powerful.
7. 23. Xym 7. Rimmer Town Hider Hider - sort of an alignment seer, I quickly changed his role to not be able to reveal his targets because I didn't want another seer type role out there. He caused all the chaos N2. Role was thematically based on Rimmer being a coward - I enjoyed that. Was a big target for scum early for some reason.
11. 27. Al sipsclar 11. Grim Reaper Town 1 shot Gravedigger Al Sips played very well for his first game, some very solid reasoning. He had a potentially powerful role (that i thought was rather nifty thematically and gamewise) negated somewhat by no power reveals so he had to guess a bit, but he choose a strong power and worked well with Murska. Unfortunately the fog of war was too great and he got lynched.
12. 11. Choxorn 12. Captain Hollister Town Quicktopic Maker Town saving grace, a minorish character but a very useful ability in setting up a limited network. I figured the town would need some sort of network enabler and boy did he deliver. One of choxorns better games in terms of activity lately as he put it himself, really one of the MVPs of the game.
13. 29. Legato Endless 13. Talkie Toaster Town Backup Legato unfortunately died very early, unable to utilise his ability but it would have been interesting and had some cool implications with Al Sips as well. Couldn't resist leaving out Talkie toaster.
14. 1. KingMorgan 14. Hildegarde Landstrom Town Unsuspecting cultist The role with the most change - he had a very boring role and was probably not too happy to rand it, but he played well in thread and did a good job IMO until the vig shot him rather unfairly. :P
15. 2. johnhughthom 15. Reketrebn Town Roleblocker Taken down before he could hit his stride. A potentially very powerful role taken out early spelled a bit of danger for the town but they rallied well. Figured town would need some stopping power.
16. 3. Snerk 16. Legion Town Cond Jack of All Trades Another experimentally type role - definitely not putting this in a full PM game but it worked fine here I think. Taken down by the inquisitor he unfortunately did not live to see the strength of his role but Al Sips did.
17. 15. Takhisis 17. Mamet Town Healer The second of two town healers - lost her ability early on and never got to do anything with it - the scum had poor luck with targeting people who would survive long. Played well IMO.
18. 20. Bladescape 18. Able Town Broken townie Another good townie cut down early, this time to Double A being randomised. Unlucky for bladescape who was doing some good work. Could be healed to be a bodyguard but died early. (He didn't know this).
19. 4. MartinLuther 19. Wax Presley Town Bodyguard Successfully saved the town cop, played well besides that after death niggle. Good bodyguard protection gave town some much needed equity after that bad first cycle. Also helped the town network, Zack was rather good for the town in there. I wanted some sort of death prevention for town that they could protect powerful roles - hence this along a doctor.
21. 28. Newyn 21. Skutter (madge) Town Mason Played well, shot by scum - partner died N1 and he was essentially vanilla. Not too much to add.
22. 24. Kennigit 22. Gelf Princess Town 1 shot BP Played well, dunno how he got lynched when he was quite townie IMO but town gonna town. Role would have been useful at reducing killing power of wolves.
23. 17. Murska 23. Kochanski Town Doctor Town doctor - played well IMO, I don't understand the suspiscion of him. Saved Jarrema which was definitely a MVP move. Thematically I thought it fit pretty well and the role obviously needed to be included.
26. 13. BSmith 26. Kryten Town Healer Second of the two healers, I was at a bit of a loss to what Krytens role should be but I figured because he saves the day/fixes a lot of problems he'd be useful at that. Would potentially change this role to some sort of mechanical cop if I redid it. Played well.
27. 5. Zack 27. Cat Town Cop Played well in and out of thread. With the high amount of scum I figured town would need some sort of cop - I didn't want to give them a full one but I gave them a pretty damn good one - also think it fit well thematically especially with his results. Scanned two bad guys.
28. 18. Double A 28. Lister Town Vigilante Another MVP even though he shot a lot of townies (a few were simply POE). Almost 'lost' the game by shooting Jarrema but made up for it by shooting Sprig. Did well to avoid ALL suspiscion and survive the entire game which was very well done. Thought he played well in thread too.
29. 26. remake20 29. Yvonne MacGruder Town Abduct Played well, lost half of his power early and was suspected for some reason. Died to POE late in the game.

30. 22. Cuthillius 30. Simulant Wolf Mugger Played well in thread and in the wolf chat - definitely one of the wolf MVPs ene though he botched his claim. I wanted to give the wolfs another form of power so they didn't always have to have one person doing nothing. Thought the role was pretty good and relatively thematic.
24. 12. Spaceman98 24. Katerina Bartikovsky Wolf Godfather RC Role fit well in the theme and wolves needed some info gatherers. Did well in and out of thread, definitely the other wolf MVP. Claim wasn't believed - perhaps you should have claimed some sort of wrong seer completely.
3. 10. Sprig 3. Hudzen-10 Wolf Strongman/Ninja Wolf strongman - wolves had better killing powers hence the role. Played fine - but got shot by the town vig. Was useful in wolf chat.
6. 25. Luzieu 6. Unspeakable One Wolf Roleblocker I thought he did quite well even if his cases weren't the greatest. Standard wolf roleblocker - wanted to do something interesting with this character but figured wolves needed some stopping power.

25. 7. Winston Hughes 25. Polymorph Mafia Ability Stealer Mafia MVP IMO - played very well up until the Al Sips incident - was good behind the scenes as well.
8. 8. Autolyucs 8. Psiren Mafia Godfather Mafia godfather. Played well, avoided suspscion rather well until it all came crashing down at the end. Role worked very well thematically.
9. 19. Internet Flea 9. Emohawk Mafia Emotion Drainer One of the two scum manipulators - played well in and out of thread - its all been said about these two.
10. 21. Pouter Pigeon 10. Despair Squid Mafia Hallucinator Dodged suspscion quite nicely - as did all the mafia, role backfired horrible late in the game but was useful for causing some chaos. I liked it thematically.

20. 9. Jarrema 20. Inquisitor Independent Conditional Vig It's all been said at this point. Very well played and a very fun role IMO.
 
If I didn't say it - you all played well. I was very happy with the activity and play in this game and I'd happily have you all play another any time.

It was a joy to host and I hope you guys all had fun too.,

I think that is most of the discussion on roles/players. I can elaborate on anything if you want.

Thanks for playing.
 
Oh one final thing - I initially had Rimmer as almost unkillable due to being a hologram - but that design/setup choice was thrown out pretty early.

That's the most text I've typed in some time, damn.
 
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