Red Dwarf Mafia: The Smeggening [Game Thread - Concluded]

[Luizeu]

Do the wolves ever kill someone because they're on to something though? Like I guess I've seen that but I've also seen wolves kill someone because that person's suspects were town and they wanted village to think that the target was on to something.

Hum.. This is why you were killed on our last game. You were getting very close to who the wolves were (or orcs[or nazgul], as it were a Lord of the rings setting).

Winston Hughes pointed at me for not participating, but at the same time he doesnt participate much. Is he self-incriminating?

 

[Takhisis]

I see you are so evidently new to our forum, Mr. Luizeu. How else would you expect players to have single standards?

 

[spaceman98]

vote: Jarrema per yesterday's reasoning.

Jarrema, Sprig, Winston, Al Spisclar and KingMorgan all need to contribute more.

 

[Cuthillius]

I really am curious to hear from Winston. I'd like to hear some reasoning or another behind these accusations.

I could see Luizeu, and people are saying that Sprig is acting like his wolf alter ego.

On the wolf accusation topic, usually from what I've seen in other games, night kills tend to be after the villagers are accusing just villagers, but when they're starting to logically move towards the wolves. So often the targets have been talking about at least one wolf. Either that, or the scum team wants to create chaos, or it's just a really active villager that they think is eventually going to get to them.

For the time being, my vote is going onto Jarrema, as I outlined yesterday.

That having been said, I would like IF's PM to be posted here and for him to explain what on earth that was all about.

 

[Internet Flea]

That having been said, I would like IF's PM to be posted here and for him to explain what on earth that was all about.

That's up to Takhisis. I'm not stomping on my own joke.

...even if it did get lost in translation because apparently that rhyme only applies to North America.

Best idea.

 

[spaceman98]

I really am curious to hear from Winston. I'd like to hear some reasoning or another behind these accusations.

I could see Luizeu, and people are saying that Sprig is acting like his wolf alter ego.

On the wolf accusation topic, usually from what I've seen in other games, night kills tend to be after the villagers are accusing just villagers, but when they're starting to logically move towards the wolves. So often the targets have been talking about at least one wolf. Either that, or the scum team wants to create chaos, or it's just a really active villager that they think is eventually going to get to them.

For the time being, my vote is going onto Jarrema, as I outlined yesterday.

That having been said, I would like IF's PM to be posted here and for him to explain what on earth that was all about.

Then vote for him

 

[Cuthillius]

Rrright. Jarrema.

 

[Takhisis]

Actually, I think that Internet Flea was trying to fish out Lister and Kryten's roles yesterday.

 

[Winston Hughes]

Here's the thing, Winston. You mention things like your "notes" that are allegedly filled with oodles of good information, yet you haven't shared them at all. You congratulate others for good townie play and give some reads without explaining why or referencing your notes. You call out Sprig and Luizeu as needing to speak more, even though there are other people just as quiet (and for that matter, the two people you called out aren't really any quieter than you, Mr. 4 posts).

Also I agree with Zack re: Winston Hughes.

Winston Hughes pointed at me for not participating, but at the same time he doesnt participate much. Is he self-incriminating?

Jarrema, Sprig, Winston, Al Spisclar and KingMorgan all need to contribute more.

I really am curious to hear from Winston.

 

[Takhisis]

I wish I were allowed to issue a support vote for Winston. I very rarely see that smiley used properly.

 

[Winston Hughes]

Low posters are scummy.

Autolycus

Spoiler :

spaceman's comment about Legato's switch is as good as anything, at this point.

BSmith pings my scumdar. That last sentence is far too long for its content. Sounds like trying to be townie.

Neither post jumped out at me on the initial read through, but as a total contribution it's very lightweight and opportunistic.

Al Sipsclar

Spoiler :

(wow. midday first day and already 8 pages. so much drama, and I was thinking red dwarf was a comedy show)

Spaceman98. We are all spacemen here, why are you trying to blend in so desperately?

(Sorry for inactivity, just when I decided to start playing, RL hits hard)

I'll follow Takhisis today and vote Internet Flea

The first one I've got the word 'awkward' in big red letters. Second one he follows Takhsis on the PM thing, which seems opportunistic. New player, though, so I'd give him a chance to get more involved before reaching for the noose.

Xym

Spoiler :

I also feel I've had enough of loud and obnoxious in games recently. I have a hard time playing or enjoying games with loud and obnoxious and I'm sure one could achieve something without all the crap!

Vote: Majiffy

Coming after 120 posts of Majiffy-related nonsense, this looks like blending in with the crowd.

Vote: Cuthillius

Cuthillius' posts puzzle me the most so far. They seem to be saying multiple different things and even outright contradict each other.

Kennigit's posts seem a bit odd and vague to me.
It seems really odd to me that Jarrema claims to have not much despite all of the stuff D2 to look at.

[Cuthillius Quote]

Why is it not a good play from town?

The rest of the paragraph is a jumble and I don't understand what exactly the overall message here is.

And now you're doing the same thing I think you're saying is scummy; voting with no reasoning.

A bit of analysis here, and his thoughts chimed with mine on Cuthillius and Jarrema (less so on Kennigit, whose vagueness was the main point in his favour in my book).

...I type too slow...

Internet Flea seems to do this sort of weird thing all the time. Zack's post (369) makes a good point.

Soft defence of IF and snuggle with Zack, but a nothing post really.

Sprig

Spoiler :

If anyone is to be obnoxious to zack its me...

Backwards Logic, twice in a row eh?!

Backwards Logic meet Murska, Murska meet Backwards logic. Everyone else, pray they are not wolves together!

My biggest ping on D1, and doesn't look any better now. Knowing Sprig, I wouldn't be totally surprised if he and BL were scumbuddies here, though as connections go it's not one I'd put money on.

And Visor beats me by a minute...

I didn't notice this one until just now. It came directly after Kennigit's lynch, and, coupled with his absence before and after, does nothing to diminish the red read from D1.

Sam Sniped

Spoiler :

I saw 10 pages and thought "holy balls it must be day 3 already or something" (I've had no free time to check CFC the last couple days). I reacted the same exact way when I saw the thread.

Serious question which hasn't been asked yet - was anyone injured through the night? If so, could possibly reveal more factions than the suspected 3.

I'm still catching up, school just started for me so things are hectic right now. I'll read through and vote ASAP.

Beyond the fact that I've seen it somewhat frequently - or at least people speaking up about failed attacks - within the first couple nights of a game in the past, yes, I do have reason to believe so.

Asking if anyone is injured without any reason to believe such a mechanic exists seems very odd to me.

 

[Takhisis]

But I'm not a low poster…

 

[Cuthillius]

I could see Autolycus being scum. Before I got into the whole analysis thing a year or so ago, I used to just play a low-lying quiet scum game. I usually got pretty far, too. Not really provide much of anything, just sort of go with the flow.

How do you feel about Luiz now, Winston?

 

[Winston Hughes]

But I'm not a low poster…

Maybe you should be.

 

[Takhisis]

Nevarrrrrr!!!! One day I'll quench your wratch and return you to that Magical Negro avatar you once had. But, alas, today appears not to be that day.

btw why aren't you analysing my posts, Winston?

 

[Winston Hughes]

How do you feel about Luiz now, Winston?

btw why aren't you analysing my posts, Winston?

 

[Takhisis]

Hhhmmm… kinky.

 

[choxorn]

MartinLuther and bladescape are odd kill choices. Poor Martin keeps getting killed off so early.

Maybe a vigilante kill of some sort? MartinLuther would be a strange scum kill choice because he hadn't really been seriously going after anyone other than Kennigit and maybe Cuthilius and had done little else but try to figure out the Inquisitor, and several people thought his tiebreaking vote for Legato was scummy, but for pretty much the same reasons I could see a vig deciding to kill him.

What I find really interesting is that there were three kills N1 and only two last night.

 

[Winston Hughes]

remake

Spoiler :

Goshdang, I should've just skipped to page 7.

For now, I'll go Legato. While I've never banked heavily on the vote switch = scum approach, I do see the value in threatening to lynch multiple people. I highly recommend someone to put one of these four people over to see what comes out.

The chances of a vig making a n1 kill seem really slim unless there were some serious behind the scenes conversing. Three plain kills also sounds extreme. Could we maybe have some "abilities gone wrong" or someone who kills whoever targets them (forgot the official name)? Regardless, this doesn't help us find scum. Blade, you threw out four names you are getting scum reads from, why?

Speculation and theory. This stuff is like wallpaper. Asking blade about his reads was a very low risk piece of interaction.

Well, Pouter Pigeon, in his only posts today, inserted his own random thoughts in the middle of an otherwise targeted discussion. He also did not address the claim against him by Kennigit. Though it might be ignorable in other circumstances, when combined with the off topic bits and a vote for Kennigit that was barely justified I question his innocence.

A decent line of argument. This is more convincingly townie.

Okay, thanks for talking Pidgeon. Based on what I've seen here the Kennigit lynch will give us the most information, though it's not like my vote's going to matter much at this point.

However, we CANNOT let this Snerk day kill go by. He dies immediately after voting for al which leads me to believe that his death was related to his vote. Sure, it came about midday, which could indicate a day kill, but why would anyone want him dead? He sure didn't do anything here that would warrant his death and I doubt 2pms this early led him to roleclaim to scum. Therefore, the only logic I can come up with scum killed him is if they have some sort of scan and then a day kill. But, if the kill belonged to the inquisitor who is likely an SK/neutral (I'm unfamiliar with Red Dwarf so I'm just going on what he said), then he wouldn't have a scan unless he's stupidly powerful. Basically what I'm saying is that I can't see any way that Snerk's death isn't related to his vote and that al needs to be checked out tomorrow.

IF's move seems really silly as town and perhaps sillier as mafia. I really don't like it, but if this is usual, I guess I'll let it slide.

Pushing Ken four votes ahead of Internet Flea for information? Big red mark.

KingMorgan

Spoiler :

Jarrema you total smeghead.

In Memoria of Majiffy, he woke the space-krakken.

Vote: Kennigit

BSmith1068 seems dodgy from what public posting there has been, maybe now you've had plenty of time to PM you can tell me what you were up to last night?

The Inquisitor was a time travelling immortal, who seemed to be working his way through time and space. He was judge, jury and executioner who put people on trial to prove your life was worthwhile and that you had made something of it. If you were found guilty then your life was given to someone that never had a chance at life and you were erased from history.

From most anyone else, I'd see the above as fairly scummy. With KM, it's pretty standard.

Murska

Spoiler :

Oh, hello. Sorry I'm late. University's starting up again.

So after reading through that, I'd just like to note that regardless of whether you're right or not, it does not excuse being rude. You won't get any message across, no matter how logical and well thought-out it may be, if you're not presenting it correctly. If you're smart, you take that into account.


Snerk wagon for me. Honestly, it is a good idea to push bandwagons in order to see how people react to them.

If anyone has the time, I'd love a votecount.

Hm. Lots of kills flying around.

Kennigit from the current targets. I kind of want to vote Sprig too, but there's not enough to go on there yet. I'll reread the thread this evening to see what else I can pick up.

Eh. Kennigit, I'll swap info back if you send me whatever you've got.

Oops. My thermodynamics lecture got in the way of replying in time.

This all seems very calm and measured to me. Regardless of alignment, it's a good way to post if you want to stay alive.

Jarrema

Spoiler :

am I really first player voting here?
Vote: Snerk for posting in the thread and not voting

I dont even want to know what it means

I dont think Majiffy is scum. I do think his behavior is not nice, but that is not a reason to vote for him (not in-game one).

As I think wagons in general are good day one, I will vote for Snerk (one of the wagons starting) to create viable alternative to lynching Majiffy

I see why some others vote for me - that thing with voting for Snerk twice. It was just a mistake.

But you vote on me is strange. Landlubber, why are you hating me so much?

I didnt have anything more than that. Is it so surprising?

For the focus of so much attention, he really hasn't said a whole lot. I don't see the Snerk vote thing as suspicious in itself, but his response to being under suspicion makes him a scumlean.

Backwards Logic

Spoiler :

Please, give us an example of how speedwagons are better than tight lynches. Multiple preferably as we've been doing this for years over here. Apparently, I for one am dumb, stupid, am generally wrong and require your enlightenment.

Well, he created some discussion. I'll give him that. Too bad the scum are just going to hide in all of the flak he's created.

And competing bandwagons is not the same as recklessly out of control bandwagons with no brakes, but feel free to change your definitions as you see fit. You still haven't added anything meaningful to the conversation, and I'm convinced you're just trolling for the sake of trolling.

You want a runaway wagon with no brakes? Fine. I'm happy to oblige. Let's see how many scum players it reveals.

Majiffy.

Man, I love being called a moron to my (internet) face And blind. What a guy!

Yes, I'm voting for you. No, I don't think you're scum. But tell, me, oh wise one: with your runaway wagon, who are the scum? Help us idiots! Save us from ourselves!

He's scum, but no vote? Is this the new meta? WHAT AM I MISSING?!?!?!

You're doing it wrong.

It's Kenning.

Jeez, can't you... nah, I'm going to finish that

All of this on D1. BL loves lurking D2 regardless of which team he's on, so that's null. But the way he used the Majiffy opportunity to up his profile without giving anything away makes him suspect in my eyes.

landlubber

Spoiler :

Thoughts so far:
Kennigit isn't striking me as scum. His reasoning and playstyle so far are in tune with CFC townie orthodox as far as I'm concerned, and he seemed much less worried about jiffy than others even as a wagon started to form on him.

I'd be willing to wager that Zack's town. I'm not sure scum would be willing to take as active a role in taking jiffy down as he did; it would draw too much attention too early, I feel. Not typically a risk scum want to take.

I'm hesitant to extrapolate much more out of this phase, though, because it's not hard to believe that scum and town alike were left aghast at jiffy.

I like this post. Although I disagree that the interaction with Majiffy says anything about Zack's alignment, it looks like a townie thought process.

I'm tired.
vote:Jarrema.
His position on majiffy confused me. That's the best I can do tonight.

Weak, but not obviously scummy.

I'm not sure how you see that. Majiffy was hellbent on seeing Kennigit lynched.

Vote: Jarrema for pretty much the same reason as yesterday.

The point about Majiffy and Ken is null - town or scum, landlubber posts that - but the Jarrema vote is even weaker this time, and starting to have a slight whiff of the scummy about it.

Luizeu

Spoiler :

Oh, I found Majiffy's participation to be so funny.
Like that guy from Goodfellas. Funny how? like a clown? Golden.
I'll vote: on Murska because if he is always a wolf that would apply on this forum as well.

OMG, can the wolves kill 3 people during the night? Or was it Autolynch?

Both of these posts pinged me first time. It's all very throwaway and something about the tone feels off.

Hey yo, RL hit me really hard.
What was that with Internet Flea? I don't know if this was an inside joke, but I guess there's something strange going on there.
I guess it would be more effective if I give my reads on the current wagons:
Jarrema looks town to me (reasonable, the double vote seemed like an honest mistake)
Kennigit (hasn't given much information to work with, because he was so vague)
Pigeon (demonstrated to be an excellent player on GITP, I've never seen his wolf behavior so far, so at the moment he strikes me as town).
I guess it's more important right now to vote on someone who looked suspicious to me, just adding numbers to wagons can't change anything right now.
So I'll follow my guts and go with SamSniped his rolefishing didn't sound good to me.

It's analysis, which is better, but it doesn't really offer any substance of note.

[Quotes all of Bladescape's activity]

Well, something Bladescape said might have put him on the target. He pointed at Chuthilius, Pidgeon and Internet Flea.

I can see Chuthilius being town or mafia. I really can't tell atm.
I could go for a Pidgeon and Internet Flea now. I guess Internet Flea because it was the last person he pointed at.

Looking at Bladescape's suspects isn't a bad idea, but it's also an easy way to look active, and, again, the analysis is lacking substance.

Hum.. This is why you were killed on our last game. You were getting very close to who the wolves were (or orcs[or nazgul], as it were a Lord of the rings setting).

Winston Hughes pointed at me for not participating, but at the same time he doesnt participate much. Is he self-incriminating?

Continuing the pattern, this still looks like activity for activity's sake. Posting more is good, but there's been nothing so far to convince me that there's a town mind working here.

 

[Winston Hughes]

So, in summary, anyone with <10 posts is definitely scum.