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[FriendlyFire]

What about Gyros then ?
Jokes aside this looks like a general ban against all foreign foods by Italy, I personally think McDonalds is disgusting but banning it outright seems to be excessive.

Venice bans kebab shops to ‘preserve decorum and traditions' of city

In an effort to “preserve decorum and traditions” in the romantic canal city of Venice, local authorities have banned new kebab shops and other fast-food outlets from opening.

A law passed on Thursday will also limit shops selling pizza by the slice. Only shops selling artisanal ice cream will be spared from the measure, long championed by the mayor of Venice, Luigi Brugnaro.

Venice is the latest Italian city to limit the sale of fast food in a country that prides itself on its national cuisine. Last year Verona stopped the opening of new kebab shops, while Florence has attempted to clamp down on “foreign food”

The tourist influx has angered local residents, with several posters appearing across the city last summer with the message: “Tourists go away!!! You are destroying this area!”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-kebab-shops-preserve-decorum-traditions-city

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Is there some reason other than click-baiting that they describe a general fast food ban as being targeted at kebab shops? I hadn't even thought of kebab shops as 'fast food places' myself, but I guess I can see that.

 

[Synobun]

Is there some reason other than click-baiting that they describe a general fast food ban as being targeted at kebab shops? I hadn't even thought of kebab shops as 'fast food places' myself, but I guess I can see that.

Perhaps there are a lot of street carts in Venice? They usually also charge exorbitant prices in tourist areas... exorbitant yet cheaper than the "genuine cuisine".

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Perhaps there are a lot of street carts in Venice? They usually also charge exorbitant prices in tourist areas... exorbitant yet cheaper than the "genuine cuisine".

Seems to be targeting actual shops, not carts. I'd have to guess that before they went to this they probably already banned carts altogether.

 

[Synobun]

Seems to be targeting actual shops, not carts. I'd have to guess that before they went to this they probably already banned carts altogether.

Okay, then yeah, specifically pointing out kebab shops is pretty weird. Maybe a ton of real estate in Venice is going to the evil kebab cuisine.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Is there some reason other than click-baiting that they describe a general fast food ban as being targeted at kebab shops? I hadn't even thought of kebab shops as 'fast food places' myself, but I guess I can see that.

Because in Venice they have McDonalds and Hard Rock cafe
Looking at Reddit, it seems that the law specifically targets the Kebabs, the rest of the law appears to be window dressing !

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/69finr/venice_bans_kebab_shops_to_preserve_decorum_and/

 

[Zkribbler]

Perhaps there are a lot of street carts in Venice?

Naw, they kept sinking to the bottom of the canals.

 

[NovaKart]

In the Middle East people don't tend to sell them from carts because they're normally cooked over coals in an oven but I suppose you could make a set-up where that would work.

Normally I side in favor of globalization but it is hard to do that when you're in a place that has mass tourism. I don't know if this is true but could it be that in Venice and Florence, they have outlived their existence as functional cities and mainly exist as tourist sites now? In that case it can be hard to preserve the character of the place.

Some places like Istanbul have mass tourism but the city is just so huge that even with numerous fast food joints and chain stores the local character is still overwhelming. And once you get out of certain areas you barely see any tourists at all.

 

[warpus]

Tomatoes were only introduced to Italy in the 1550s and didn't become a staple of their cuisine for a while. Technically it's not really a traditionally Italian food, it was brought over from a foreign place, and they slowly integrated it into their cuisine over time. The first Italian recipe involving tomatoes is from 1692 and it was a recipe that was copied from Spain. Tomatoes didn't become a national staple until the late 1700s.

Who knows, maybe in 200 years kebabs are going to be considered an Italian staple?

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Is there some reason other than click-baiting that they describe a general fast food ban as being targeted at kebab shops? I hadn't even thought of kebab shops as 'fast food places' myself, but I guess I can see that.

There's a potential Islamophobia angle in that portrayal. Given current events, it's also probably that type of food place that is rapidly thriving there.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

There's a potential Islamophobia angle in that portrayal.

That's what makes it click-bait. I doubt that many people care one way or another about a fast food ban (other than purveyors of food, fast or otherwise, of course), but portraying it as some sort of rank nationalism gets the story read.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

If a blanket ban on "foreign foods" isn't rank nationalism, then I don't know what is.

 

[Traitorfish]

I sometimes forget that Italy never really went through a de-Nazification process like Germany or France, but the Italians are always very quick to remind me.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

So the people of Florence don't want tourists? Fine, I won't go there. Done. They can stay home, too.


Is there some ingredient in kebabs that results in wild or lewd behavior?

 

[Zkribbler]

Is there some ingredient in kebabs that results in wild or lewd behavior?

The ban isn't against foreign places, per se. First, it's a ban against NEW places. Second, one of its goals is to help prevent take-out food; for example, pizza-by-the-slice places are included in the ban. But there's also a lot of nationalism woven in. They want to preserve "Italian" heritage and they want to encourage the use of local products, e.g. shops that sell local ice cream are exempt from the ban; Baskin Robins is subject to it..

 

[Timsup2nothin]

If a blanket ban on "foreign foods" isn't rank nationalism, then I don't know what is.

Technically it's a ban on take out foods, not foreign foods. By all indications if you want to open a kebab restaurant with sit down service you could.

 

[Farm Boy]

The ban isn't against foreign places, per se. First, it's a ban against NEW places. Second, one of its goals is to help prevent take-out food; for example, pizza-by-the-slice places are included in the ban. But there's also a lot of nationalism woven in. They want to preserve "Italian" heritage and they want to encourage the use of local products, e.g. shops that sell local ice cream are exempt from the ban; Baskin Robins is subject to it..

Doesn't this actually sound pretty progressive? I mean enforcement aside. Details, details.

 

[dutchfire]

From what I've read in general, Venice is suffering a bit from the fact that there's many tourists who visit for a day only, while staying a bit further away. The crowd the city and put a heavy burden on the infrastructure, but don't actually spend significant money there. The locals are a bit mad about that.

This ban seems to fit into that narrative. By banning (cheap) take-away food, you're making sure that the visitors money actually flows into the local economy.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

By banning (cheap) take-away food, you're making sure that the visitors money actually flows into the local economy.

My first thought was that more traditional food places just lobbied for this to protect their margins, but the reasons you gave seem fine to me.
And also in general I think it can be legitimate to put a stop to a raise to the button. In that sense this ban is a bit like a minimum wage.

Not sure what Nazis have to do with it...

 

[warpus]

The ban isn't against foreign places, per se. First, it's a ban against NEW places. Second, one of its goals is to help prevent take-out food; for example, pizza-by-the-slice places are included in the ban. But there's also a lot of nationalism woven in. They want to preserve "Italian" heritage and they want to encourage the use of local products, e.g. shops that sell local ice cream are exempt from the ban; Baskin Robins is subject to it..

Wasn't pizza invented in New York? That's what Americans tell me.

Mind you the internet tells me that it was invented in Italy, so I don't know what to believe anymore.