Returning Civs - Elimination Thread

[AmazonQueen]

Assyria - 22
Austria - 12-3=9 We've got a Habsburg and a Holy Roman Emperor already, aside from them Austria is just a minor German state.
Babylon - 14
Byzantium - 20
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 12
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 22+1=23 Of the ancient states on this list this would be my 1st choice.
Huns - 9
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 27
Morocco - 27
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 23
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 11

 

[SagarRathore]

Assyria - 22
Austria - 9
Babylon - 14
Byzantium-20-3=17 sorry Greeks game is civ not European civ
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 12
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 23
Huns - 9
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 27
Morocco - 27
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam-23+1=24 I like elephants
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 11

 

[The Kingmaker]

Assyria - 22
Austria - 9
Babylon - 14+1=15 They’re a favorite.
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 12
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 23
Huns - 9-3=6 I think they really ought to be next to go.
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 27
Morocco - 27
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 24
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 11

 

[PhoenicianGold]

Assyria - 22
Austria - 9
Babylon - 12 (15 - 3) - Doesn't fit with VI's thesis.
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 12
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 23
Huns - 6
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 27
Morocco - 28 (27 + 1) - Yusuf!
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 24
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 11

(I find the stark contrast between the Huns and Portugal highly amusing. Mechanically they face almost identical problems.)

 

[alphaman21]

Assyria - 23 (22+1) A science-oriented civ from the ancient era would be a great idea
Austria - 9
Babylon - 12
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 12
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 23
Huns - 6
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 27
Morocco - 28
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 24
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 8 (11-3) This should be just a one-off civ

 

[Amrunril]

Assyria - 23
Austria - 9
Babylon - 12
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 12
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 24 (23 + 1) Another civ that's never been represented in the Civ V/VI era of unique abilities. This would be my top pick for an ancient near-Eastern civ.
Huns - 6
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 27
Morocco - 25 (28 - 3) I don't think this belongs ahead of the Maya.
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 24
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 8

 

[Xandinho]

Assyria - 23
Austria - 9
Babylon - 12
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 9 (12-3) I think Denmark would be a totally unnecessary inclusion to the Civ6. We already have Viking Norway and Sweden, I think that's enough. How many Nordic nations do we need with a limited amount of civs slots?
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 24
Huns - 6
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 27
Morocco - 25
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 25 (24+1) I do not think we'll have Siam in Civ6, unfortunately. But if I were to choose a third civ from Southeast Asia, it would certainly be this one.
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 8

 

[Jkchart]

Assyria - 23
Austria - 9
Babylon - 13 = 12+1 Oh man, here I go up voting Babylon again! Yessiree I am incredibly fond of this beautifully wonderful culture and its myriad of lasting scientific, cultural, and militaristic accomplishments leaving a fascinating legacy.
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 9
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 24
Huns - 6
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 27
Morocco - 22 = 25-3 Oh I love Morocco, but there are others I think should get in first. Plus I gotta keep Maya up near the top.
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 25
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 8

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Assyria - 23+1= 24 Still my first pick for an Ancient Civ and the other one I want more is leading.
Austria - 9
Babylon - 13
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 9
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 24
Huns - 6-3= 3 We have Scythia who is a better alternative.
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 27
Morocco - 22
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 25
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 8

 

[SagarRathore]

Assyria - 24
Austria-9-3=6 sorry Europe is full
Babylon - 13
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 9
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 24
Huns -3+1=4 the kind of impact they made they should not go that early
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 27
Morocco - 22
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 25
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 8

 

[Kimiimaro]

Assyria - 24
Austria - 9
Babylon - 13
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 9
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 24
Huns - 4-3=1 - A militaristic horse Civ that would probably have a horse archer... I'm afraid Scythia and Mongolia are already filling this quite well.
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 27
Morocco - 22
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 25
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 8+1=9 - I find the Venetians very fascinating and would greatly welcome them, be it as their own Civ or Italian Civ that would be given the Greek treatment (small countries/city-states lumped into one Civ with the option of playing some of them. It is Athens and Sparta for the Greeks, and it could be Florence and Venice for the Italians). Anyways, beginning as a bunch of refugees of sacked Aquileia, they founded a small fishing town in swampy lagoon. This lagoon town would eventually become one of the most successful Italian states, basically controlling the Adriatic sea and having a fair share of power in the Mediterranean. They had one of the strongest navies of Europe, they were one of the largest centres of the renaissance, they had excellent diplomats and were always well informed about the other countries. The goods made by Venetians were considered to be of great quality (Venetian glass is a great example of this). They had a crazy political system that was successfully working for hundreds of years. They were worthy enemies of the Pope, the Byzantines and the Ottomans as well. They were also a rare example of Italian country that did not succumb to the Holy Roman Empire. The Republic of Venice was a thing for more than thousand of years. Methinks it's a considerable candidate.

 

[Naktis]

Assyria - 24
Austria - 9
Babylon - 13
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 9
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 27 (24+3) We need more ancient civs.
Huns - 1
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 27
Morocco - 22
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 22 (25-3) Khmer kinda covers them. So some new civ like Vietnam would be more interesting to add.
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 9

 

[The Kingmaker]

Assyria - 24
Austria - 9
Babylon - 13+1=14 The game does need more ancient civs.
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 9
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 27
Huns - 1-1=0 My apologies to Attila.
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 27
Morocco - 22
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 22
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 9

 

[Kimiimaro]

Hittites - 27 (24+3) We need more ancient civs.

You should give just one point in upvote, not three.

Next person to post, please fix the Hittite points to 25.

 

[Jkchart]

Here's a clean post with the correct values (this is not a vote - I already voted today, just all of the correct values as requested by @Kimiimaro ).

Assyria - 24
Austria - 9
Babylon - 14
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 9
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 25
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 27
Morocco - 22
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 22
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 9

 

[AntSou]

Assyria - 24
Austria - 6 (9 - 3)
Babylon - 14
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 18
Denmark - 9
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 25
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 28 (27 + 1)
Morocco - 22
Portugal - 25
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 22
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 9

Moderator Action: Please provide rationale for your choice(s). leif

 

[alphaman21]

Assyria - 24
Austria - 6
Babylon - 14
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 15 (18-3) We cant have Phoenicia and Carthage in the same game. It is just too redundant.
Denmark - 9
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 25
Iroquois - 22
Mayan - 28
Morocco - 22
Portugal - 26 (25+1) They used to be a world superpower. Definitely deserves to be in the game.
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 22
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 9

 

[DefiantMars]

Assyria - 24
Austria - 6
Babylon - 14
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 15
Denmark - 9
Ethiopia - 23
Hittites - 25
Iroquois - 23 (22 +1): I really enjoyed playing the Iroquois in Civ5, being able to use Forest and Jungle as roads. I think it could be interesting to explore this concept again within the Civ 6 system where the map matters more in terms of City planning as it would provide another Civ that is dissuaded from chopping down Woods and Rainforest. Plus, I'm always happy to have more exposure to Native American civilizations.
Mayan - 28
Morocco - 22
Portugal - 26
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 22
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 6 (9-3): The reason why I don't think Venice should return in Civ6 is not due to its impact on history, but the available design space afforded to the naval trade power. I believe that with the current mechanics in Civ6, that there simply isn't much space for Venice. We already have several civilizations that have a Naval focus such as Indonesia, Norway, Phoenicia, and England and a TON of Civs with Trade Route bonuses: Carthage, the Cree, the Inca, Mali, Mongolia, Persia, Rome, Spain, Egypt (under Cleopatra) and Russia (under Peter). Perhaps if there is a third expansion that adds another layer to the trade system, Venice could make use of those mechanics to carve out a niche for itself. Maybe a Venetian Civ could get early access to the fairly frequently requested Corporations to which Venice could access early? But I don't believe Venice has much to stand on in the game's current state.

 

[TahamiTsunami]

Assyria - 24
Austria - 6
Babylon - 14
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 15 - 3 = 12 I agree that Carthage is so unlikely now that Phoenicia is in. If necessary you could make Hannibal or another Carthaginian leader as an alt leader for Phoenicia if you really wanted more representation.
Denmark - 9
Ethiopia - 23 + 1 = 24 This is a civ that I believe deserves to be in the top 2.
Hittites - 25
Iroquois - 23
Mayan - 28
Morocco - 22
Portugal - 26
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 22
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 20
Venice - 6

 

[Xandinho]

Assyria - 24
Austria - 6
Babylon - 15 (14+1) It seems destined to fall soon, but I can give it some breaths. This is no longer redundant with Sumeria than Songhai is with Mali, or Carthage is with Phoenicia, or Austria is with Hungary, or Denmark is with Sweden and Norway...right?
Byzantium - 17
Carthage - 12
Denmark - 9
Ethiopia - 24
Hittites - 25
Iroquois - 23
Mayan - 28
Morocco - 22
Portugal - 26
Shoshone - 17
Siam - 22
Sioux - 22
Songhai - 17 (20-3) Talking about redundant civs, why do we need Songhai if we already have Mali in the game? They are pretty similar.
Venice - 6