RFC Europe playtesting feedback thread

[gilgames]

Byzantines:

Their unike power woth nthing imo. Its land is wast, but hardly usable is minor asia. The city of Antiochia is a shame, do something about is pls. Building something in is is 20-50 turns regardless what u do, what u improve around it.
UHV: 1, watch out for your cities, alexandria likly to grow bigger! 2. I never lost it, though bulgarians are the most dangerious, 3. never was a problem, after I dealt with the ottomans.

UP: like its nothig, UU: its nice, served me well. UB: its totally useless, never build them.
Otherwise its a nice and playable civ, I rate it for 9/10

 

[gilgames]

French:

Oh my, France is a challanging one, then boring. Let me explain: the 1. UHV is a pain in the ass. Take France is natural, but Italy is strange, but imaginable if you guess you are trying to redo Charles' empire. But take Saxony (and swabia, catalonia) by Lybeack, thats just goddam far! Its seems a bit ahistorical too. Maybe if you would change it to Hannover or éeven more closer and more to south? Otherwise you should work on stability, but manageable. Graet land, nice going.
UHV: 1. Beside the issue mentioned avobe, HARD, you should work on it with full atention, with lots of sword and a few settlers. Bordeaux is a terrible city site, I used to burn it. I also burn Marseille to more easily meet the conditions and build it leater. 2. Hm I fialed it many times, due to the missing last crusade I suggest, to participate in all crusade and take Tyr for sure, and regullary empty the city, and collect army in Tyr. 3. If you achived the fisrt 2, the its cant be a probleme.
UP: Awesome, the best in the game, UU: its comes too late in game insignificant, UB: its awesome!!! i love it.
Its a good civ, I rate it 8/10.

 

[gilgames]

Arabia:

Well, its defenietly not my style. I have not won it, due to the 3. uhv. There is no special issue with them, its quite straigth forward.
UHV: 1, Yopu almost got it, when the cities join to you. take Alexandria, build 1 in arabia and done. 2. Same as the 1. one, build several settlers and send a bunch of Ghazis to west and done. 3. Thats the real pain! My best rate was 27%, than collapsed, 'cause Arabia has a stability issue!, I recommand to take 1 good city in eurpe, like venice or genoa, and do not expand into unstable territories, out of 2. uhv's requests. Then spam missionaries from there.
UP: its a must for the third uhv, good and fun anyway. UU: its not bad at least. UB: its nice, help keep financial balance
Its a bit challanging civ. But its all about to prepare the 3. uhv. I rate it to 6/10.

 

[AdrienIer]

Welcome Gilgames !

Feedback is always welcome, but please don't post several messages in a row. It's better to post a single long message.

Also the mod's aim is to balance Monarch, therefore some of the things you might have noticed on Viceroy difficulty are not really valid. I also play on Viceroy sometimes, but really the balance is for Monarch (for example the number of barbarians is not balanced on Viceroy).

Thirdly it seems that version 1.2 is going to get out soon(ish ?) so some of the issues you raise might be already corrected for the next version.

Please continue posting your feedback, just please try to keep in mind those three points.

 

[gilgames]

Bulgaria:

I do love that civ, maybe 'couse its fits to my taste. So starting Konniks are your everything, and all depends on them. Ok lets see:
UHV: 1. do not estabilish any city in the first turn! Capture Odrin as ur capital, then you can found your cities (i prefer varna and ilfov). Then recuperate and take out Tsarigrad! if you can do this, you almost won the game Take the rest Byz cities in europe and start push pout settlers. 2. Now you do not have any enemy so focus your efforts on religion. Tsarigrad is your G.Prohpet factory, and all GP should used to improve faith, until you are very close to achive it. 3. Same as France, if you managed the fisrt 2, you can do it!
UP: Not bad, not good, UU: as mentioned above, later you wont need them. UB: its great, hepls a lot
Its a great civ, I rate is 10/10.

 

[gilgames]

Thanks for this remind! Also i told, Monarch is annoying, I thought about the barbarians mainly. But as you can see, I dont really mentoin anything that are affected by difficulty level imo.

Thanks all, and I'll keep'em coming! I dont have such a feedback from 2 natoin only

 

[gilgames]

Cordoba:

Its again, not my favourite, but very challanging.
UHV: 1. To acomplish that, you must FOCUS ALL UR EFFORTS on it! Set the city's production manually on the best spots, archer wall against the barbarians. the max size in my experiance is 13, wich should do by 1. 2-3. When you have done it, spain have arrived. You simply cant beat'em in an open conflict. They recive so mush deffence crusade, that even on viceroy, you cant outnumber then nor out tech them. So it will be a long shot. Amass an army and take 1 city, make peace, and repeat that until they collapse or wipe. Now the way is open to accomplish the 3. uhv. And during peace times you can build the wonders one-by-one. Portugal isnt an issue, they ar so weak.
UP: I found it useless. UU: I bearly built 1 during 3 game, useless. UB: its good
Alltogather its a real challange, I rate it 7/10.

 

[AbsintheRed]

Hi everybody!

I'm new here, as a poster, but I play RFCE a while ago. Right now I want to give you a hugh bunch of playtest feedback, coutry by country and a general one. I have to tell, that i'm a viceroy player, and made only a few monarch game, but i've fopund them too annoying. Soon I'll finish all the UHVs on viceroy, so then I goto the next level of challange.
!!!WARNING!!! A wall of texts are coming!!!

(ps: I'm a hungarian player, so my english is crapy, sorry for that!)

Great to see you here!
All your feedback is very appreciated

 

[gilgames]

Norse:

They are compact. The one I won on monarch, and tried on emperor, but faild. You are a warmonger, act so!
All the need to acomplish their uhvs are given.
UHV: 1. I prefer land the shipped settler and found Halmstadt or Lodose and ship the settlers opn land and moce it to found rejkjavik. a bit later it takes 5-10 turns to build Vinland. 2. it comes with the 3. ship your men and take dublin (awsomke city) since its guaranteed win, move them forward (at least 2 bers) to Sicily, be aware of cordobans they are usually unfriendly (donno why) then take the city, and biuld lts of ship, to make some viking points. when your 3 city is up and running push out insane amout of berserkers and take all the city you have to. I finished all my uhv in 1020 on monarch too. Btw on emperor you got hugh stability problems, befor all city taken, i was collapsing!
UP: its a must and great help, UU: INSANE (best uu in the game) UB: very good!
It is the best civ to get familiar with RFCE, I rate it 9/10 (and not 10, due to its too easy, but very enjoyable)

UPDATE: Tonight I Won with norse on Emperor, it was insane! is smby want the savegame, I'll send him/her!!

 

[gilgames]

Venetian:

I do not like them, hoever opnce won with it. They don not have any special issue.
UHV: 1, If you do not settle croatia, what the uhv dosnt want from you, as the AI does, then you can do this at start, by moving ur ships to south. 2. Chatolicism is a must have, and ur UP will help you to take over a crusade. Direct it to Conts. Take it and hold strong. 3. its might be a thech race, but is you keep urself small, might be good. Since you have no access: GB not used to build a city in wales! go there and take its access, or if u want do not go that far and take Tanger from indies (maybe cordoba).
UP: necessery UU: useless UB: useless 'couse when they come in play its too late to make any change!
Requires a special play style (dont like it) and give you a moderate challange. i rate them 6/10.

 

[gilgames]

Burgundy:

Oh my, its remind me a bit to bulgaria, but a few centuries later with less room. But dont worry about nothing we got wine!
UHV: 1, If you can achive this, you made it at all! Build a capital, and move your other settler far north, as far you can (best to settle dunquerqe or bruxelles) and deffend it at all cost, until its up and running. So you are a burgundian, but first be a warmonger to enjoy wine later Aim your tech to Armord lancer, and crush france first, then a bit germany, after all, thats what uhv wants from you. France usually collapse, germans used to be a vassal. 2. if you done the first well, then you must be a moderate emipre with score lead. The culture is coming with the number of cities, so dont be shy expand with ur paladins! 3. its a LOL.
UP: its a must have for uhv2, UU: they are really OP, im pleased with them. UB: good, helps u in uhv2.
So if you have done the hard work, you can sit back and enjoy urself. I rate it 7/10.

 

[gilgames]

Germany:

This civ is a short challange and a long wait! so boring, but well located do test other things.
UHV: 1. thats the challang part. I usually achive it a 100 years earlier and my biggest problem is where to put those goddam cities, to reach all the stuff and not to ruin their productions. First showdown with france, then burgundy, and use the usuall recipe: horse+iron asap, swarms of arm.lancer, done. 3. generally I got the 3. one in around ~1200. 2. after you beated the west, just go big and focus on research, nobody will ask you, what u do!.
UP: useless, till then i get rid of my enemies UU: to late to function, UB: nice and usefull, to keep those rebells quiet.
As you can see, after you made the first thing, its boring. I rate them to 5/10 (5 for the opportunity for testing other methods)

 

[gilgames]

Kievians:

Aka: Fathers of the East. Because you build the foundation of 2 (3-4) other civs. Its a real challange to all. The problems comes from within, you must do all the uhvs at once, and a bit more.
UHV: I do not slpit them: The big dilemma come when you start the game, wherer to put the cties? You need lots of them and you can have lots of them, a abundance disturbance! your inital army should take Kurks, and u will need a city far east, near the iron on the hill (not the closer one) it will be you defender city. the rest is about balancing settler+worker - units - religion - and expanding on indies! It's a real pain to decide what to biuld and where! playable many times....
UP: must have for 2.uhv UU: nice one UB: really good!
A lovely civ with a big race against the time! Barbs are a true issue. I rate them 10/10!

 

[AbsintheRed]

gilgames, exactly which version of the mod are you playing with?

 

[gilgames]

Magyarok(hungarians):

Cusp of my heart. They could be better in a few way, but well, at least a game where they exist!
UHVs, 1 of them should be changed! To the following: Explore the Atlantic ocean (preferably in spain) and Conquer Augsburg by 955. Maybe its not so widly known, that in the 10th centuries hungarians used to "adventuring" to south and WEST. they reashed even La Corunia! but have been defeated rougly at Augsburg in 955, that was the end point of these adventuring (raiding parties). For this of course you should weaken the city goard os strengthen the huns starting army (i prefer last option). But thats enough about history.
UHV: Luckily you got enough time to prepare. just axpand into the basin asap take Belgrad and if you are good, with that haste you can deal with the venetians too. But do not w8 to much to erase them, 'cause they have the ability to became very strong. if you move one of your initial settler to Bécs (wien) and biuld there a capital, austrians wont be a problem at all! (I know its squatting, but works and helps). the first test is to eliminate the mongol invasion, besides to reach Divine monarchy ASAP! (build wastminster-adopt free rel.) After 1300 when they are finally gone (another addon: in the carpatian basin, mongols appeared 2 times only!!!!!!(1241-42 and ~1260) not continously over 50 years!!!) So after 1300 focus your attention on south! gather your army, rebuild lost improvments and see what ottomans do. help retake Ardianopolis to byzants or to bulgars or if they are both a liability, take it yourself! ASAP If they could set foot in eurpe, you wont be able to kick them out. after this situation is solved somehow, sit back and axpand a bit more, the golden age will help a bit in the stability problems. (won on monarch too)
UP: i do not sense any advantage in it. UU: not bad, but too expensive, huns have a production issue. UB: not bad, hoever, if you aim the uhvs, cant really use its benefirs
Other issue: the names: If I capture Belgrad - regardless where is it - please rename it Nándorfehérvár and nor Macsó (plus: its a name of a territoy, not a city, one os a countless "counties"). An other liability is Belograd (supposed to be: Alba Iulia, couse latin) a totally useless city!!! plus, has no reason to be there! I can tell you a hundred more city to exchange with!
Summary is a nice civ with a "could be hard" challange and a bit confusing uhvs! I rated it 8/10


I'm sorry to forgot mention a few data: I played with 1.0 for a time, and changed to 1.1 a while back under winXP, BST 3.19

 

[AbsintheRed]

UHVs, 1 of them should be changed! To the following: Explore the Atlantic ocean (preferably in spain) and Conquer Augsburg by 955. Maybe its not so widly known, that in the 10th centuries hungarians used to "adventuring" to south and WEST. they reashed even La Corunia! but have been defeated rougly at Augsburg in 955, that was the end point of these adventuring (raiding parties). For this of course you should weaken the city goard os strengthen the huns starting army (i prefer last option). But thats enough about history.

Yep, I already posted this a couple times
Hungarian campaings in Europe in the 10th century:

Having said that, an UHV similar to your suggestion couldn't be represented in the game
Hungarians shouldn't spawn earlier than 895 in the Carpathian basin, and 60 years until the Battle of Augsburg (Battle of Lechfeld) in only 15 turns
Not enough for any serious representation of this

I'm sorry to forgot mention a few data: I played with 1.0 for a time, and changed to 1.1 a while back under winXP, BST 3.19

Okay, thanks!
Many things were changed/improved since 1.1, watch out for the upcoming 1.2 release

 

[gilgames]

Spanish:

If you own your peninsula, you rule the world! But isabella is a "frigid " (we all know that from rfc too)
So Spain has only one problem, but its big (at least for me). WHERE TH HELL to put those cities in order to reach some production.....
UHV: 1. You are defenietly not pressed by time but to achive this, the best to own the whole land!!! So start to grow and take out Toledo, its usually weakly guarded by AI. If not then wait be very chatolic, gathjer faith, rather then army, do not make peace with those infidels and wait for the crusade wich aid you. (if i play spain its much more less and rare!!! ) and use this holy power with yours to reconquer the LAND. after a while i suggest to kick some portugal ass too. later they could be annoying, but at start: weaklings!! You have plenty of times to purge islam end judaism from your cities. sidenote: UP should be: three times more effective inquisitors!!! Sometimes it takes 5-8 inq. to purge islam from Toledo or Cordoba! (pls repair if not a feature)
2. After dealing with the peninsula, you have no threat by army, just copncentrate on the colonies. 3. as I sense, you can do very little about it. Be kind to all chatolics (england, germany dont play in this) and purge your own protester with the anti-reformation. I won with spain once (though tried once) and if not you are the finder of it, it have a small impact on europe, if you do, it has a lot bigger.
UP: as mentioned above, UU: cames in play too late, UB: nothing special.
Summary is quite good with a little sit back if your colonies are coming. I rate them 7.5/10

 

[gilgames]

I admit it, be indulgent, i cant read through 300 page of posts
You are right about that, my suggested uhv is a bit weak, although there ar so many "alibi" uhvs, we could have one too by "just" take augsburg. with a method i mentioned, weaken their defense or improve starting army, like +2 HA or something.... maybe a make contact with indi: oporto minor civ, I dont have any clue about what can be programmed and what not

ps: can't w8 the 1.2....

 

[gilgames]

Polish:

Its a true time pushed hard grind work! As RL hisory proved: if you are a polish, suffer from invaders!
UHV: 1, Religous one, its not to mention, have no tim limit, by luck. 2, the food stuff. its linked to the 3. and its the grinding part too. My suggestion to players: dont stop to build wonders or sit back for a sec, just expand - build stability - expand - build stability - ect... 'couse if you stop, you will loose all your uhvs. so build a city to west and fortify it hard and non-stop, the rest build and expand. thats it.
UP: same as huns, useless, UU: too late to function, UB nice one!
I founded it really hard and nerve-racking with lots of save-load. I rate it 8/10

 

[gilgames]

Genoans: never played at all

English: played but never won, coming soon.

Portugal:

Thats a stupid one. I did not found any challange in it..maybe i have to try it on monarch too. But the recipe is simple: grind techs, keep up your 4-5 cities, aim shipbuilding, build the colonies, and a few more project, dont engage in wars. nothing special....
UP: Nice, since you do not have real production, UU: bad... UB: ok
This civ is uninteresting imo.... i rate them 3/10.

Og and sorry to intoduce so mush emotions in my descritions, but thats my way.