RIGGED: Faction Brainstorming

No, if I own a series, I'm the only one who gets to determine what's canon about it

I disagree with this wholeheartingly. Death of the author is in full effect for any medium of art. The author's interpretation of a work is no more valid than anyone else's. That's the beauty of art; we can all have different perspectives of it. If people liked Alied (and me) prefer Westwood's interpretation of the canon compared to EA's, then we are just as valid to have that viewpoint as you are to have yours. We can certainly disagree, and we can certainly debate, but you can't shut down the conversation just because you made the piece of art.
 
Call me old-fashioned, but I'm going to put more stock in what the owner of a work says than any of its fans.

EA says they are separate universes, and so that's how it's going to be. We can argue about who's right and wrong all day, but I'm going to take the view of the person with legal precedence as final on the subject. I can't say Sonic is dating Knuckles and have it be true, since that's clearly at odds with officially-established canon.

As is the idea that Red Alert and the Tiberium series are the same universe. It has been debunked by the company that owns and writes the franchise. You can't say that x happened when the official writer clearly says x didn't. That's completely absurd.

I'll say it again. "Fanon" exists as a term for a reason, because fans often don't like a certain direction and so choose to ignore it. That doesn't make them any more correct, regardless of what some essay (whose points only hold merit if you agree with the essay to begin with, thus creating a logical circle) says.

Anyway this is drifting off-topic. I'm perfectly fine with Red Alert and Tiberium being considered separate universes for the purposes of the mod, and based on the faction ideas, so is MartinLuther.
 
The difference is that nothing in the games itself debunks the idea that Red Alert leads into the Tiberium series. Much like how Sonic is explicitly shown not to be dating Knuckles, if there was something within the games that disctinctly proved that Red Alert is not linked to the Tiberium series, then I would agree with you. However, since there is absolutely nothing besides the comments of the makers outside the games, death of the author applies fully here. It can easily be interpreted, especially in the earlier games, that the two series are connected. The connection does wane as the series continues, true, but the Tiberium series does not cover any history before the infestation, so there's no way to solidly debunk it.

Anyway this is drifting off-topic. I'm perfectly fine with Red Alert and Tiberium being considered separate universes for the purposes of the mod, and based on the faction ideas, so is MartinLuther.

Isn't that what you wanted in the first place? :p
 
the Tiberium series deals with more serious issues like economics, politics, etc. in a sci-fi context, whereas Red Alert goes straight for being outlandish
STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM!

I can understand that having not played the original Red Alert, you've been duped into believing it's always been in the style of exaggerated Cold War stereotypes. And yes, RA2 departed from the more straight-faced tone of its predecessor. But even after (if not especially) factoring in the freak science of Yuri's Revenge, it still had enough of a menacing undertone that you could read the story pretty gravely, and I maintain that the spiritual link between RA1 and 2 is solid. RA3, on the other hand, was so stupidly and deliberately parodical that I could never take it seriously. That's the one that needs to be cut from the canon.


To address Martin, the more I think about it, Mega Man would mesh well with the inside-a-building missions from RA1, to say nothing of übertech and mad scientists. In fact, it could even redeem the Japanese in RA3. Also, know what both franchises have in common?

Spoiler :
COSSACKS


Link to video.


I told CurtSibling I was gonna watch Adventure Time but I still have yet to do so, but from what I know of the lore a Saints Row crossover would probably work well.
 
Alright then, here are my ideas for the civs I created:

Rabbit Hole Pirates:

Franchises: Alice in Wonderland and Metroid
Backstory (in a nutshell): This is going to be hard. I guess the backstory could be the Space Pirates from Metroid took over Britain, started mining the crap out of them and discovered Wonderland.

Gizmonic Squad:

Franchises: Hong Kong 97 and Mystery Science Theater 3000
Backstory (in a nutshell): The Chinese Military, fresh out of ideas for new military weapons, hires an American science institute called Gizmonic Institute to come over to China and think of new ideas for them. China gives them control over a small portion of the Chinese Military, which they can use for their own use. The institute having no clue what to do, isolates a team of Chinese scientists in an abandoned theater with nothing but B-Movies. The scientist come up with weapons based off the movies they watched.

Wily Union:

Franchises: Mega Man and Red Alert.
Backstory (in a nutshell): Dr. Wily builds a secret army in Russia.

Needs a name:

Franchises: Adventure Time and Saints Row
Backstory (in a nutshell): You're going to have to excuse my ignorance on Adventure Time. The Candy Kingdom industrializes itself, increasing crime and creating gangs.

Also, I'm changing the name of RC's faction to the Elemental Defense Initiative.
 
I give my thanks to Thor and Omega.

Call me old-fashioned, but I'm going to put more stock in what the owner of a work says than any of its fans.

Above the original creator? Above Westwood who had stated that both Red Alert and the Tiberium CnCs are one and the same series?

You are not talking of the author but the "owner." EA is as valid as a fanfic authors. The fact you are focusing on ownership as oppose to authorship raises questions. The fact you applying "old fashion" into your arguments comes questionable regarding pre-copyright times or for the focus of it being focused for the author.

Since I have spoken of a creator cut down by EA... Bullfrog must be remembered... what more chaotic to have Dungeon Keeper and Syndicate mix with? Each other is a option but that would be... tame.
 
Needs a name:

Franchises: Adventure Time and Saints Row
Backstory (in a nutshell): You're going to have to excuse my ignorance on Adventure Time. The Candy Kingdom industrializes itself, increasing crime and creating gangs.

And yet PBubs still has full autocratic control.
 
Spoiler Units :
And a little something to help the atmosphere:
Spoiler :
#AIFIRSTCONTACT
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 0
#random 1
"Guten Tag. I am $AI0 of the $CIVADJ3. My friends call me Dolfy. You may call me 'Mein Führer'."

#AIFIRSTDEAL
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 0
#random 1
"Guten Tag, $PLAYER2. I am $AI4 of the $CIVADJ7. I don't like you and you don't like me, but money transcends all petty national squabbles. For instance, I know you could use $GIVE0, and I fancy your $GET1. What say we put aside our prejudices and agree to a trade?"

#AIDEMANDTRIBUTE
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 0
#random 3
"Guten Tag, $PLAYER0. I almost like you, so I'll be frank: The $CIVNAME6 is running a bit short of $GET3 at the moment, and we notice there's an abundance in $CIVADJ2. Now, we could just invade you and take it, but since I know you're such a generous person, I'll just send a $UNIT4 to pick it up."
"Hey, $PLAYER0, how you doin'? Here's the deal: you give me $GET3, and my $UNIT4 over there doesn't turn $CIVNAME1 into a pile of burning rubble. Verstanden?"
"This town ain't big enough for the two of us, $PLAYER0, and it's about time $CIVNAME1 acknowledges the $CIVADJ8 as its superiors. Give me $GET3, and maybe I'll overlook your squatting for now."

#AIACCEPTTRIBUTE
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 0
#random 3
"I knew you'd understand, $PLAYER0! The $CIVADJ4 are thankful to have such altruistic neighbours."
"A wise investment, $PLAYER0. It's good to have your home insured with so many nefarious characters about."
"That wasn't so bad, was it? I'll be by in due course to collect next season's rent."

#AIBLUFFISCALLED
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 0
#random 3
"Alright, $PLAYER0, I understand. Next time, don't expect us to ask."
"I'd be careful if I were you, $PLAYER0. That sort of attitude is liable to cause an accident in $CIVNAME1..."
"Yes, well, uh, it appears the $CIVNOUN3 have special recommendation from Fegelein. We'll overlook this. For now."

#AIRENEGOTIATEPEACE
#civ 1
#power 1
#mood 0
#random 1
"There's not a lot of people I can count on, $PLAYER0, but the $CIVADJ2 nation has been uncharacteristically trustworthy. How about we renew this agreement?"
"Business is booming between $CIVNAME4 and $CIVNAME1. It seems only logical we extend the agreement."
"Our contract is about to expire, and you'll be delighted to know that the $CIVADJ6 have decided the $CIVADJ2 people are worth keeping around. Just sign on the dotted line."

#AIBORDERWARNING
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 1
#random 1
"As much as I enjoy your company, $PLAYER0, we're handling some, uh, sensitive cargo in $CITY3 and would appreciate if $CIVADJ2 forces could withdraw as soon as possible. Danke."
"See that coloured line outside $CITY3, $PLAYER0? You're not supposed to cross it. So kindly get out before we force you out."
"I'm going to count to one, and then the $CIVADJ2 trespassers near $CITY3 had better be gone, or $CIVADJ6 security can't be held responsible for the consequences."

#AIDONTTEST
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 1
#random 1
"Thank you for your cooperation. By the way, want a discount sportscar?"
"If the $CIVNOUN3 continue to have trouble reading a map, the $CIVNAME5 will gladly help make it simpler..."
"We won't warn you again."

#AILOANOFFER
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 1
#random 1
"Economics has never been my forte, but for $CIVNAME1, I'll make an honest effort. What do you think of this?"
"The $CIVNAME4 offer many services, $PLAYER0! I think you'll these much better than official rates."
"$CIVNAME1 came to the right place, $PLAYER0! Oh, I know, our rates SEEM high, but I assure you it's all above board and well beyond what you'll get through a legitimate bank. *snerk*"

#AINOLOANOFFER
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 1
#random 1
"I'm afraid Speer's out of the office at the moment. Come back later."
"As much as I'd love to help, $PLAYER0, the AI in this game isn't clever enough to run a Ponzi scheme. -I mean, we're out of reserve surplus."
"JAJAJAJAJAJAJAget out."

#AIGIVEPEACETREATY
#civ 1
#power 1
#mood 0
#random 1
"I'll admit, $CIVNAME1 put up a good fight, and in recognition, all the $CIVADJ7 ask is $GET3."
"Don't cry, $PLAYER0, the $CIVADJ7 simply have the best antics in the business. Now, onto my terms. You should find them more than reasonable..."
"I'm sorry, could you speak up? $CIVNAME1 SURRENDERS, you say? Well, I can't say I'm surprised by the outcome; only that you hadn't said so sooner. Give us $GET3 and I might let you retire to a Class 8 apartment in the East End."

#AIPEACETREATYTHREAT
#civ 1
#power 1
#mood 0
#random 1
"Alright, alright! The $CIVNOUN3 were a bit better than we were expecting. OK, a LOT better. Let's end this fight and go pick on someone else."
"I don't like to admit I'm wrong, so I won't say anything. But in the interest of $CIVADJ6 welfare, a better world, blah blah blah, I, $AI4, pledge peace with $CIVNAME1.
"Don't think I can't tell when an opponent's overstretched and bluffing, $PLAYER0. But I'll grant you your request, if only to give the $CIVADJ7 time to reload..."

#AINOPEACETREATYTHREAT
#civ 1
#power 1
#mood 0
#random 1
"I'd rather shoot myself."
"Let me think about that for a minute. Uhhh, no."
"Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder!"

#AIPEACETREATY
#civ 1
#power 1
#mood 0
#random 1
"Alright, $PLAYER0, this war is proving a serious drain on $CIVADJ6 profits and I'm willing to make peace. In the interest of mutual welfare, a better world, blah blah blah, I, $AI4, offer you the following treaty:"
"This war isn't as high a priority as it used to be, and in its infinite generosity, the $CIVNAME5 offers peace to $CIVNAME1. What do you say to these terms?"
"I think it's safe to say the $CIVNAME5 have claimed victory. As much as I would love to grind the impudent $CIVNOUN3 into powder, Speer tells me that's no longer politically correct. So instead, I'm giving you the following peace deal:"

#AINOPEACETREATY
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 0
#random 6
"You are only delaying the inevitable, $PLAYER0."
"Save your breath, I've already made up my mind."
"While you waste your time begging forgiveness, our Panzers are ploughing through $CIVNAME1."
"NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN!"
"Every minute that goes by, destroying you becomes all the sweeter."
"Your oratory is as skillful as your tactics, $PLAYER0. Ha! Get it?"

#AIMUTUALPROTECTION
#civ 1
#power 1
#mood 0
#random 1
"Y'know, $PLAYER0, I almost like $CIVNAME1. I think we might do well to work together. What do you say to a protection pact with the $CIVNAME4?"
"Believe it or not, I think our people's interests are compatible. Why not agree to a protection pact with the $CIVNAME4, $PLAYER0? You never know who you might need in a fight..."
"There's a lot of unsavoury folk out there, $PLAYER0, just waiting to tear the $CIVADJ2 nation limb from limb. Fortunately for you, the $CIVNAME4 are willing to grant you a special discount on our protection racket. Whaddaya say?"

#AIRIGHTOFPASSAGE
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 1
#random 1
"A lot of people say I have trust issues, and that may be true, but then $CIVNAME1 should feel honoured that I think you're trustworthy enough to let your troops through $CIVADJ5 territory. Of course, if I were to allow that, I'd expect something in return..."
"Customs are such a hassle, $PLAYER0, especially when moving goods that certain prejudiced parties think are 'contraband'! What say we both save ourselves a lot of time and just open our borders?"
"The $CIVNAME4 need to do business abroad, and $CIVNAME1 is in the way. Ordinarily I'd just annex you and skip the paperwork, but I'm in a good mood, so I'll offer you a reciprocal deal instead."

#AIMILITARYALLIANCE
#civ 1
#power 1
#mood 0
#random 1
"You've probably heard the $CIVNAME6 are having a little spat with the $CIVNOUN4. Ordinarily I'd be content to handle it myself, but it's distracting us from more important goals and they're stubbornly refusing to negotiate. I thought that maybe a little $CIVADJ2 intervention might help nudge them toward the bargaining table..."
"Heil, $PLAYER0! The $CIVNOUN4 are becoming a nuisance, and pretty soon you can expect them to start imposing upon $CIVNAME1. Why not help us get the drop on 'em? I assure you the root of the dispute is entirely legitimate."
"Hey, $PLAYER0, I admit I haven't seen the $CIVADJ2 army actually, you know, FIGHT much, so I thought you might like to help the $CIVNAME6 put the upstart $CIVNOUN4 in their place. Get your boys back into shape, you know?"

#AITRADEEMBARGO
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 1
#random 1
"Can you believe $CIVNAME3 has the gall to claim that $CIVADJ6 staff were involved in illegal imports?! Such unfounded accusations must be duly punished. Help us show them the error of their ways with an embargo."
"$PLAYER0, I have damning evidence that the nation of $CIVNAME3 is supplying Himmler with furry porn. Of course the nerd denies it, so my only recourse is to shut down trade completely. Will $CIVNAME1 not join in this most righteous defence of morality and aesthetic decency?"
"$CIVNAME3 is full of immature Bolsheviks and a disgrace to legitimate businesspeople everywhere. The $CIVNAME5 will be instituting a full embargo; I expect $CIVNAME1 to do the same."

#AIALLIANCEGREETINGS
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 0
#random 3
"Heil, $PLAYER0! The idiot $CIVNOUN5 stand no chance against our combined might! How can $AI6 be of assistance?"
"Ah, $PLAYER0! Come to restock the $CIVADJ2 arsenal? I know those $CIVADJ4 schweinehunde are going out of their way to eat everything we offer!"
"How's the fight against $CIVNAME3 going, $PLAYER0? We're planning a fresh Blitzkrieg this evening."

#AIPEACEGREETINGS
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 0
#random 3
"Ja? Was ist los?"
"Oh, Guten Tag, $PLAYER0. How can the $CIVNAME4 help you?"
"Oh, hey, $PLAYER0. Listen: you'll have to be quick. I think Fegelein's about to pull an antic."

#AIWARGREETINGS
#civ 1
#power 1
#mood 0
#random 3
"Ah, $PLAYER0. I meant to call you. Maybe it's time we considered ending this war..?"
"$CIVNOUN3 fight better than Italians, I'll give you that much. So, I assume you're here for peace talks?"
"So, $PLAYER0. How 'bout that war we've been having?"
"The $CIVADJ2 front is resilient, but we'll break it yet! ...In the mean time, whaddaya want?"
"Huh, I thought we were supposed to be destroying each other. Oh, alright, $PLAYER0, I'll give you a time-out."
"I'm sorry, $PLAYER0, I thought we were at war? What have the $CIVNOUN3 to talk about?"
"Well, well, well, if it isn't $PLAYER0! Is $CIVNAME1 finally ready to admit defeat?"
"Greetings, vile and treacherous $CIVNAME1! If you're here to plead for peace, I'm all ears, otherwise I have your country to destroy."
"Aww, it's so cute when they beg! Alright, $PLAYER0, I'll bite: What brings you here?"

#AIGIVETRIBUTE
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 1
#random 1
"Ah, $PLAYER0, I see you're a politician of action! I'm impressed. Just, do it to someone ELSE next time, jawohl?"
"Alright, $PLAYER0, you can have $GET3. But we'll be making a few demands of our own in due course..."
"Yes, PLEASE, impose upon us, $PLAYER0. We need all the evidence we can get before the $CIVNAME5 submit our final 'grievance'."

#AIWEAKREJECT
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 1
#random 2
"Not bad... Missing something, though."
"Maybe toss in an extra coin?"
"You're coming up a bit short."
"Close, but still no cigar."
"Gott verdammt, $PLAYER0! Stop trying to short-change me!"
"You thought I wouldn't notice that, didn't you?"

#AINEUTRALREJECT
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 1
#random 2
"No, not feeling it."
"Come now, $PLAYER0, I know you can do better than that!"
"No, I don't think so."
"The $CIVNAME5 can get a better deal elsewhere."
"You call this an offer?"
"You know what I can agree to? Nothing here."

#AISTRONGREJECT
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 1
#random 2
"Pardon me for asking, $PLAYER0, but did you tap into Göring's morphine before coming here?"
"Come now, $PLAYER0, I thought we were friends!"
"I'm going to say no, and I think you know why."
"I'm guessing this was supposed to be a joke. If it was, it wasn't funny."
"Get. Out."
"Are you a complete dummkopf?"

#AITOTALREJECT
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 1
#random 2
"Sorry, but this is totally unfeasible."
"Sorry, $PLAYER0, but you're asking the impossible."
"Nope. Can't do. At all."
"Even an antic couldn't make this work."
"No, no, a thousand times no!
"DAS IST INAKZEPTABEL!"

#AITHANKS
#civ 1
#power 1
#mood 0
#random 1
"Danke schön, $PLAYER0."
"The $CIVNAME4 thank you for your business."
"Thanks, I guess."

#AIWILLRETREAT
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 1
#random 1
"Ja, ja, they uh, must've gotten lost. I assure you, that shipment wasn't meant for YOUR country."
"It's only a few cars, $PLAYER0. I honestly don't know what $CIVNAME1 is so worried about."
"Of course. They did what they needed to do."

#AIWILLRETURNHOME
#civ 1
#power 0
#mood 1
#random 1
"GÖRING, WHAT THE HELL?! -Sorry, $PLAYER0, it seems SOME people are too busy stuffing their faces to confirm the route! They've been recalled."
"Easy, there, $PLAYER0, you know they meant no harm. We have a treaty do we not?"
"So be it. We'll continue our 'exercise' some other day."
 
So I was thinking of making another faction with something Steampunk-ish. I was thinking maybe something Steampunk with Breaking Bad. What do you think?

Dooo eeet
 
In other news, I'd be willing to come up with the dialogue for the Deus Ex/Mario crossover.

Also, I have an idea for a faction combining Artemis Fowl and Master and Commander, although I'm not sure how that would work...
 
In other news, I'd be willing to come up with the dialogue for the Deus Ex/Mario crossover.

Also, I have an idea for a faction combining Artemis Fowl and Master and Commander, although I'm not sure how that would work...

*in Rorschach's voice* DO IT!

EDIT: All I need now is something Steampunk to combine with Breaking Bad. Perhaps I could use Steampunk itself since there is no rule against that.

If you really want to know my idea, Professor White, who is a botany professor in America, decides to sell Opium to China.
 
*in Rorschach's voice* DO IT!

EDIT: All I need now is something Steampunk to combine with Breaking Bad. Perhaps I could use Steampunk itself since there is no rule against that.

If you really want to know my idea, Professor White, who is a botany professor in America, decides to sell Opium to China.

hmm, why not the Leviathan series?
 
If you really want to know my idea, Professor White, who is a botany professor in America, decides to sell Opium to China.
That's not how you opium. Make him British and it works better.
 
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