RIP Sweden

[Traitorfish]

So am I allowed to say that Quackers is literally a fascist yet, or is he still circling just close enough to the mainstream that this would be taken as a childish pejorative rather than a statement of fact?

 

[gay_Aleks]

I dunno. Isn't fascism usually related with anti-Semite opinions?

Maybe we should design a new form of fascism, which would be of course related to Muslim religion or something.

 

[Tahuti]

So am I allowed to say that Quackers is literally a fascist yet, or is he still circling just close enough to the mainstream that this would be taken as a childish pejorative rather than a statement of fact?

Quackers is probably more mainstream than I am, yet you have never called me in such way.

I dunno. Isn't fascism usually related with anti-Semite opinions?

Depends from locale to locale, and to which foreign actors fascists tend to align to. The original Italian fascists were not antisemitic since Italy never really was an antisemitic nation after its unification, though Mussolini adapted antisemitic stances under the influence of the Nazis.

Maybe we should design a new form of fascism, which would be of course related to Muslim religion or something.

We already have 'right-wing' populism (Le Pen, Wilders) which is essentially fascism without its militarism (due to lack of war memory) and with an added Anti-Arabism and Anti-Turkism masked as opposition to Islam.

(scarequotes on 'right-wing', because as a self-styled rightist, I believe that populism and nationalism are fundamentally incompatible with actual right-wing beliefs that stress aristocracy)

 

[Kyriakos]

Well, an anti-islamic fascism? Who can think of an example - without being crucified

 

[Takhisis]

So am I allowed to say that Quackers is literally a fascist yet, or is he still circling just close enough to the mainstream that this would be taken as a childish pejorative rather than a statement of fact?

Quackers is probably more mainstream than I am, yet you have never called me in such way.

But he deviates from the norm in a different direction.

We already have 'right-wing' populism (Le Pen, Wilders) which is essentially fascism without its militarism (due to lack of war memory) and with an added Anti-Arabism and Anti-Turkism masked as opposition to Islam.

(scarequotes on 'right-wing', because as a self-styled rightist, I believe that populism and nationalism are fundamentally incompatible with actual right-wing beliefs that stress aristocracy)

You sound like the type of person who'd give the House of Lords all its old powers.

 

[Traitorfish]

Quackers is probably more mainstream than I am, yet you have never called me in such way.

As Tak says, different kind of departure from the mainstream. You're all aristocracy and tradition, Quackers is more blood and soil.

I dunno. Isn't fascism usually related with anti-Semite opinions?

Maybe we should design a new form of fascism, which would be of course related to Muslim religion or something.

Most fascist movements tend to be anti-Semitic, although unlike nationalism it's somewhat incidental to the ideology. Usually it's what about the Jew is taken to represent- the foreigner, the financier, the leftist- rather than Jews in and of themselves. Nazism seems to have been unusual in taking racial anti-Semitism as one of its basic premises, although of course it quickly found imitators.

 

[Domen]

So am I allowed to say that Quackers is literally a fascist yet

Of course you can, because "fascist" is a popular umbrella term describing everyone who is not far-leftist or is not extremely politically correct.

 

[Traitorfish]

Right, but what I mean is that Quackers is an actual, honest-to-god Mosleyite. That's why I'm making the distinction explicit.

 

[Agent327]

Did Sweden die? I was unaware. My condoleances.

Of course you can, because "fascist" is a popular umbrella term describing everyone who is not far-leftist or is not extremely politically correct.

Oh, I think that's far too narrow yet. Include all extremely politically correct people as well.

 

[Tahuti]

You sound like the type of person who'd give the House of Lords all its old powers.

As Tak says, different kind of departure from the mainstream. You're all aristocracy and tradition...

I can relate to that.

Most fascist movements tend to be anti-Semitic, although unlike nationalism it's somewhat incidental to the ideology. Usually it's what about the Jew is taken to represent- the foreigner, the financier, the leftist- rather than Jews in and of themselves. Nazism seems to have been unusual in taking racial anti-Semitism as one of its basic premises, although of course it quickly found imitators.

Well, Nazism starts with a 'positive' conception of race, that of the Aryan. The Jew is placed as the mortal enemy of the Aryan.

Few forms of antisemitism are for their own sake: It starts with a with idealised group community (i.e. Muslims, Christians, Arabs, Aryans) which apparently suffers from an implicit inferiority complex.

 

[CavLancer]

We had a Danish family visit the house last year. The son had married a Filipina and were working on their first child. I wonder why Swedish guys hang around to be so abused when immigration is so open and the world is their oyster? Its not like they'll be labeled sexist if they're already labeled sexist... Yet we see loads of Germans, Americans, a few French and Italians and the one Daish family but I've never met a Swede here.

I'd get the hell outa Dodge if women started assuming the worst about me the first time we met.

 

[Kyriakos]

Sweden has a small population (around 9 million) and afaik still has one of the highest levels of living in Europe/the world. So they have far less incentive to leave.

Unless they are Danish, move to New Zealand, and are called Monrad.

 

[CavLancer]

I've always like Danish with my coffee, its usually a nice conversation.

 

[amadeus]

Meh. Sweden doesn't need to take them in but they do, and is it really hurting them? As long as they don't spend all of their money (they won't) propping up people that can't support themselves, there's no reason to believe Sweden will become some economic disaster.

I don't know what to think about Muslim immigration to Sweden, though―are they, generally speaking, hostile to Sweden's more secular and less religiously conservative institutions? What are they doing, if anything, to change it? Coming from CBN, it seems like fearmongering. I mean, I'm Mr. Free Market, but comparing Sweden to North Korea or the USSR? What nonsense!

 

[Tee Kay]

Thank God a sane conservative. We missed you!

 

[Hygro]

What's your TL;DW takeaway on the video?

What's your TL;DW takeaway on the video?

What's your TL;DW takeaway on the video?

Yes, please.

 

[Verbose]

I don't know what to think about Muslim immigration to Sweden, though―are they, generally speaking, hostile to Sweden's more secular and less religiously conservative institutions? What are they doing, if anything, to change it? Coming from CBN, it seems like fearmongering. I mean, I'm Mr. Free Market, but comparing Sweden to North Korea or the USSR? What nonsense!

It's a curiously mixed bag sticking under the heading "Muslim". By one (informal, non-govt) count, there are some 400 000 people in Sweden who have immigrated from well, predominately Muslim countries. When Pew polled Europe for Muslim sentiment among immigrants, it transpired that not really more than about 150 000 people in Sweden self-identified as Muslim. So that seems to leave us with a quarter millions people who have their origin in someplace mostly Muslim, but not really identifying as such...

It sort of makes sense, in that not a few of these refugees and immigrants have targeted Sweden for a move because it's not known as this hotbed of traditional religious values. Iranians for instance, quite a few of those around, who left over some beef with the Mullahs. Or the large group of Kurds, who seem more nationalist and secular than Muslim. Or the Turks, who can be very Kemalist rather than Muslim. And then there's the Syriacs, who can be religious as all-hell, but are Christian, so they don't count because of that...

Then there are deviations, like the Somalis, who turn up secular when arrving in Sweden, and then disconceringly often in later years have turned nutty-Muslim as a response to their encounter with Swedish society. The Somalis have another weird situation going on; they are seemingly terminally unemployed in Sweden — those that get bored with it, and manage to jump country to the US, UK, or Canada, otoh seem to join the work-force there more or less as soon as they land, suggesting that the problem might not just with the Somalis...

Can't back it by statistics, but by my entirely anecdotal experience, if you run into people originating in the Mid East in Sweden, they are likelier to be some variety of card-carrying Socialist, than devout Muslims.

 

[amadeus]

There are a lot of Somalis in my old home state but I never heard of any of them ever trying to get the state government to practice sharia law or any of that. Other Muslims I've seen just kind of kept to themselves. So what's the deal with all of these stories coming out of Europe about it?

 

[Tahuti]

Thank God a sane conservative. We missed you!

I'm not sure why amadeus should have the monopoly on believing that Sweden != North Korea and not left-wing.

 

[Rashiminos]

So am I allowed to say that Quackers is literally a fascist yet, or is he still circling just close enough to the mainstream that this would be taken as a childish pejorative rather than a statement of fact?

Quackers seem to be stuck to the status quo or the rearview mirror depending on the topic. I haven't gotten the wholesale engineering of society vibe from him.