[R&F] Rise and Fall General Discussion Thread

[mehmetakifsahin]

Let me hypothesize the basic pre-R&F schedule:

Monday: Tweets from Ed Beach containing teases of the next day's civ (or a red herring)
Tuesday: First Look of a new civ
Wednesday: Livestreams (not always)
Friday: Wonder video or reveal of natural wonder

Yes, I thought only "On Tuesday they will introduce a new civilization by First Look" but i didn't think about that other things.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

What was it, 8 new civs? How many weeks until release though?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

What was it, 8 new civs? How many weeks until release though?

There are 8 civs and 1 alt-leader, and 7 World Wonders yet to reveal and 9 weeks to go.

2 months to go, today.

 

[UWHabs]

There are 8 civs and 1 alt-leader, and 7 World Wonders yet to reveal and 9 weeks to go.

2 months to go, today.

I assume they'll take some time off over the holidays, or at the very least the schedule will change. I very much doubt we'll see a Dec 26 first look, for example. Although they might simply move that one later in the week.

 

[PhilBowles]

Yes. Elizabeth is/was overplayed, and a fine example of bad Civ V leader-screens. She needed a break.

Her leader screen was uninspired and because apparently there are no actual English women in North America they got an actress (Canadian, I think) with the worst English accent since Dick van Dyck. I wouldn't have minded her with a better voice actress.

That's also a possibility. Though, they could've picked a Prime Minister from that period as the leader.

They could have, but I don't think that would have been as good a choice - there's less continuity and little that can be pinned specifically on any one Imperial-era Prime Minister's period as opposed to the Empire as a whole (not least because Disraeli and Gladstone kept switching places). Victoria presided over nearly the entirety of the Empire's greatest pre-20th Century period of expansion and consolidation, she was seen as the unifying figurehead for the Empire by the British public of the time, and there's simply much less recognition in the UK and internationally of people like Disraeli and Gladstone, let alone pre-Victorian Imperial leaders like Palmerston.

As for "Elizabeth is the most famous English Ruler" that's certainly not the case here in England/Britain. For us here in the United Kingdom, Victoria is probably with out a doubt our most popular monarch and our most popular "leader" would be Winston Churchill. Elizabeth was... one of the leaders along with Henry VIII that people get thought of in primary school here (Primary school is the first stage of school; followed by High School) but otherwise Victoria is defiantly more popular over here.

This is probably either a recent phenomenon or a regional thing for areas like Scotland for which Henry and Elizabeth were less directly relevant. Education at least as of the '80s and '90s very strongly emphasised the Tudor period and rather glossed over the Imperial period other than its industrial innovations. Popular BBC period dramas were very strongly focused on the Tudor period.

At that point our best-known monarchs other than the present one were almost without a doubt Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, Alfred the Great, Richard I and, due to his association with Robin Hood, King John.

Though back then as well Churchill would have been the most popular leader, due to the national obsession with WWII that's been ongoing pretty much since it ended, never mind that he wasn't popular enough at the time to win an election.

Sadly I doubt we'll see James I because it would be strange to have him for a civ with no Scottish cities in his city list, and I doubt they're excluding Scotland from "The Celts" any time soon.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I assume they'll take some time off over the holidays, or at the very least the schedule will change. I very much doubt we'll see a Dec 26 first look, for example. Although they might simply move that one later in the week.

Yes, I suspect that one and the week after will be moved to the corresponding Thursdays.

 

[Zaarin]

Yes. Elizabeth is/was overplayed, and a fine example of bad Civ V leader-screens. She needed a break.

Honestly that's why I want her back. Civ5's depiction of Elizabeth was in every way disappointing; she deserves better.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Well, there's always a chance she is the "Female Leader With A Boost To Golden Ages". Never say never.

 

[God of Kings]

The Monday tease gif didn't come from Ed, that was from the game's regular social media. It was also at 12pm EST on the dot, so it will likely reoccur at that time.

And I think the regular non-DLC livestreams were on Thursdays. They will probably start in January.

And I doubt they do any special Natural Wonder reveals. That's better shown in the livestreams.

How would you do the basic pre-R&F schedule then?

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

I'd like to call shade, Elizabeth was not "uninspiring" as much as unfulfilled. Anyone seen the concept art of her leader screen?

Spoiler :

 

[God of Kings]

I'd like to call shade, Elizabeth was not "uninspiring" as much as unfulfilled. Anyone seen the concept art of her leader screen?

Spoiler :

What happened to her entourage? The same can be said about the lack of an entourage for Otto von Bismarck and Catherine the Great.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

How would you do the basic pre-R&F schedule then?

Monday* 12pm EST: First Look Teaser
Tuesday* 10am EST: First Look
Wednesday* 12pm** EST: Teaser recap
Thursday 2pm EST: Livestream (beginning in January)
Friday 1pm EST: Wonder movie

*except the weeks of Christmas and New Year when they will be rescheduled later that week
** I don't remember when exactly they did that on Wednesday

 

[God of Kings]

Monday* 12pm EST: First Look Teaser
Tuesday* 10am EST: First Look
Wednesday* 12pm** EST: Teaser recap
Thursday 2pm EST: Livestream (beginning in January)
Friday 1pm EST: Wonder movie

*except the weeks of Christmas and New Year when they will be rescheduled later that week
** I don't remember when exactly they did that on Wednesday

That is much better than I would do myself.

 

[God of Kings]

It would have been great if Firaxis manged to bring Cate Blanchett to reprise her role as Queen Elizabeth, despite Blanchett being Australian.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

What happened to her entourage? The same can be said about the lack of an entourage for Otto von Bismarck and Catherine the Great.

Is it really worth animating and designing each entourage for leader screen? It seems like a waste of money in hindsight, but my general point is, they had a good idea that would never work, hence the "underwhelming" scenes.

 

[God of Kings]

Is it really worth animating and designing each entourage for leader screen? It seems like a waste of money in hindsight, but my general point is, they had a good idea that would never work, hence the "underwhelming" scenes.

That is an excellent explanation for the lack of entourages despite being included in the artists' sketches.

 

[ferretbacon]

I'd like to call shade, Elizabeth was not "uninspiring" as much as unfulfilled. Anyone seen the concept art of her leader screen?

Spoiler :

I recall that Napoleon was supposed to have troops marching behind him. That would have been really cool.

Out of the vanilla V civs, Gandhi was by far the worst. If I hadn't read somewhere he was on the Ganges, I wouldn't have known. Askia, Darius, and Montezuma were all pretty good though. Caesar's wasn't impressive, but he had good mannerisms. Nebuchadnezzar throwing his goblet was also a fun touch.

The leader screens got much better as the expansions rolled out. Personal favorites were Pacal, Dido, Gajah Mada, and Pocatello.

 

[God of Kings]

I recall that Napoleon was supposed to have troops marching behind him. That would have been really cool.

Out of the vanilla V civs, Gandhi was by far the worst. If I hadn't read somewhere he was on the Ganges, I wouldn't have known. Askia, Darius, and Montezuma were all pretty good though. Caesar's wasn't impressive, but he had good mannerisms. Nebuchadnezzar throwing his goblet was also a fun touch.

The leader screens got much better as the expansions rolled out. Personal favorites were Pacal, Dido, Gajah Mada, and Pocatello.

Don't forget George Washington spinning his globe and William of Orange reading a book.

 

[Guandao]

Do we really have nothing to talk about except Civ5's leaderscreens?

In all of my recent games, I've been going for domination victory. I wonder how the loyalty system would impact that. Would a lot of the cities I conquered declare independence when loyalty is too low? And how would I increase loyalty in the conquered cities?

 

[God of Kings]

Do we really have nothing to talk about except Civ5's leaderscreens?

In all of my recent games, I've been going for domination victory. I wonder how the loyalty system would impact that. Would a lot of the cities I conquered declare independence when loyalty is too low? And how would I increase loyalty in the conquered cities?

It would be interesting if the courthouse were brought back; courthouses becoming more expensive the more they are built.

Yes, we apparently ran out of things to discuss in this thread that doesn't overlap with another topic found elsewhere in this website.