Rise of Mankind v2.0 discussion

dasvidania · Apr 10, 2008

I reinstalled all games, patch but it doesn't still work.
I use Marble for terrain and a dll for 34 civ. Is there something to configure? any file .ini?

Kalimakhus · Apr 10, 2008

@dasvidania

If you replace the DLL that comes with the extra stuff with another DLL, of course Ranged Bombardment won't work.

dasvidania · Apr 10, 2008

ok, thanks a lot, i will try without extern dll.

dasvidania · Apr 11, 2008

All it works !!!

thanks

only 18 civ whith ranged bombardment? i like to play with more civs.

Great mod, thank a lot for your work

Matt0088 · Apr 16, 2008

An idea I had was having territory wars. Since almost all wars in our history were fought for territory or resources, I thought it was funny that you can't really do that in Civ4. So, to have wars to gain territory (like a couple important plots) I thought that if you had a unit stay on an enemy plot for something like 5 turns, that plot would become yours and you only can do this if it is adjancent to your territory. Also this only can happen during war.(This is because you wouldn't want the AI to get many plots with no cities around) A mod I just found that does something similar is the Influence Driven War v1.1 mod (it looks damn awesome), although it would have to be modded a little bit for RoM. Using this mod also reduces the complete dominance Defense has over Offensive warfare(If you look at it you'll see why) if you get the RevolutionDCM addon. (Which really should be a normal part of RoM, inside of being an addon).

A another I had was to not have cities completely destroy their non-obslete buildings when captured. I really hate it when captured cities are completely useless for a very long time. So making it an choice to players to have the option to raze any or all of their buildings will help that. They can do it when every they want, but they should obvisously only use it when they think their city is going to be lost. This adds some more strategy to the game and leaves the possiblities for people to capture city and start using in a reasonble amount of time. :goodjob:

You can use the Abandon/Raze City/Building mod which does exactly that.

More war related improvements that I thoguht would be good is to have everyone have the ablitiy to use everyone's roads all the time, including during war time. I've read many history books on war and non of them included enemies being hampered by road movement. Also , you should be able to end wars more quickly. Another thing I think is annoying when the AI declares war on you and does nothing after you destroy his initial attack, but won't make peace for another 10-20 turns.

I also have read that Zappara wants an eighth civic section. I found the Overload 2 mod that has at least 8 civics sections.(I'm unsure because I having actually played it)

Lastly, I said this earlier but have put more thought into it, is combining the Final Frontier mod into this one. When you research a technology like Faster Than Light Travel, you go into the normal Final Frontier mod. All other civs in the game would be eliminated. This would be because you would have control of skies and could easily subdue the other civs. This is why you would have a large amount of unhappyness initial after the change to Final Frontier. Then you can have a Rise of Mankind in space. Adding the MOO2 mod could help beef up Final Frontier because I think it is a bit weak.

These are just some thoughts I had and hope they help.
(I'd help if I could but I'm not a modder)

Maatissi · Apr 16, 2008

You are a visionaire!

Yet still, I'd prompt everyone to make the effort to improve the game about mankind living on planet Earth, before jumping out to the space. After all, Civilization is, and will always be, far from the perfect experience, even if it is such a magnificent game anyways.

zappara · Apr 16, 2008

Current version 2.0 changes list:

Spoiler :

Just few things missing still.. like making new gamefont files (hate those :mad:

) and add couple units/wonders. Plenty of flavor units also waiting on my harddisk, it's just so time consuming to add them and when I'm modding like on 1 or 2 evenings per week, I've decided to concentrate on other things than flavor units (for the moment). You might notice that there isn't really huge SDK changes, I tried to combine some mods at one point but had to discard those efforts - combining python between 2 huge mods is hard for person who doesn't really understand python.. so I ran into constant CTDs and had to go back to older RoM build and continue again from there without SDK changes. I'll give it another try once I have basic version properly working.

Current RoM 2.0 zipped size is around 96megs and unzipped at around 230megs. First beta version shouldn't be too far away now..

Empiremaker · Apr 16, 2008

Amazing. Can't wait to try 2.0. :wow:

Maatissi · Apr 17, 2008

Ummm... Isn't Abyssinia actually just another name for Ethiopia?

I still think that Theology tech appears too early in the tech tree (compared to Philosophy, for example). Christianity is always founded something like 1000-500 BC in my monarch level games...

I think most of the non-NATO civilizations should have a T-72 replacing the M60...

Otherwise, excellent work. I guess my college semester is going to be ruined when the 2.0 comes out.

zappara · Apr 17, 2008

Yes, Abyssinia is Ethiopia, just older version of it.. kind of same thing with Siam and Khmer, both existed in same area, just on different times.

Meditation costs more now so Theology should appear slightly later but will probably still before 1AD. As I see it Theology is not same as Christianity, it's placeholder for that religion, and all religions do religious study to some extent.

You're right about T-72, it's used by many non-NATO civilizations (I miss good old Tank simulators, they were good games in the 80's-90's

).. there's probably other tanks/planes that aren't exactly right at the moment for some civs, it's just the same issue as with other flavor units, the lack of time. What would speed up the process is to provide info/lists of what units each nation has used/still uses so I won't have to look up for that information by myself.

Kalimakhus · Apr 17, 2008

@Zappara

I've just gone through the long change list. Man! You've been busy!

One general remark is that this is not about tossing stuff in. It sure shows a lot of deep thinking. I am particularly pleased with the changes you made to the tech tree. I hope it would eliminate the possibility of short cuts through eras. If you're limited by the number of (and/or) required techs I think there is a variable that change this limit in the global defines file.

Can't wait to give 2.0 a trial, so just don't hold it for so long.

zappara · Apr 17, 2008

@Kalimakhus

Most of tech tree changes are based on feedback and I hope it's more balanced now and that most loopholes are gone with the adjustments I made - it's not perfect yet though, particularly medieval time techs cause me this "itch" to add more stuff there and future times could have more techs but that would mean that I need to come up with things to fill those techs. Changing future techs would mean that I would have to redo whole era from scratch as some of the techs I want to add are just in between modern era and future era - that would be many modding hours.

Just finished adding Raw Commerce component, now missing couple religious wonders (added few already) and fonts.. I'll try to battle with font files tomorrow and hope that changing them goes smoothly this time

Donkey Puncher · Apr 17, 2008

this is awsome news take your time it will be worth the wait

Kalimakhus · Apr 18, 2008

@Zappara

I agree that Medieval era needs to be longer. This era in particular seems to pass away quite fast. This is particularly frustrating because RoM has numerous Medieval units that one likes to use.

About font files, as you are going to add new religions' icons it may give you some trouble. It might help if you add icons to the attached file. It is the same RoM current file with one change. The bottom line of icons was repeated shifting the empty row underneath one cell down. This trick I got from FfH and it worked for me when I applied it to Overlord2 fonts file.

Maatissi · Apr 18, 2008

Perhaps the T-55 with respective graphics should also be added?

That would go with the Mongol, Khmer, Mali, Maya and perhaps with Sumerian, Assyrian and Babylonian civilizations? (T-72 might go with those as well, and it is also used by Peru, so that should be added to the Inca arsenal. India has also many T-72's, and no Pattons!) T-55 would also fill the missing tank for Chinese civilization under the name "Type 59" or "Type 69".

T-34/85 should be also available for the Civilizations listed above instead of the generic Sherman, excluding Mali, Inca and Maya. Also, BT-2 could be used by the Mongolians instead of the standard light tank. IS-2m heavy tanks were also used by China, and would be the tank of choice for the Mongols instead of the M26.

It would be extremely neat, if there would be the Type 95 Ha-Go available for Japan as light tank, and Type 97 Chi-Ha (or Shinhoto Chi-Ha) as medium tank. These vehicles were also used by Thailand (Siam) in their respective roles.

FT-17/18 was during its time perhaps the most widely exported and license built armoured vehicle in the world. (Even used by Japan for a time before World War II in Asia.)

R-35 was also widely exported and perhaps it should be used with Civs that were the colonies of France during the Industrial/Modern Age, at least.

And MiG is spelled "MiG"! (Mikoyan-Gurevich)

MiG-21 should be the jet fighter for China, Mongolia, Sumeria, Babylonia, Arabia, Assyria and Khmer at least, alongside Russia.

Umm... and there is a great selection of Civ-specific Infantry/Riflemen graphics used in the Snafusmith's Modern Warfare-mod (alongside with his other stunning real-world units). Perhaps you should consult him and use some of his excellent graphics for boosting up atmosphere in the RoM! :cool:

If there is still something left unclear, please feel free to ask. :goodjob:

zappara · Apr 18, 2008

Kalimakhus said:
@Zappara

I agree that Medieval era needs to be longer. This era in particular seems to pass away quite fast. This is particularly frustrating because RoM has numerous Medieval units that one likes to use.

About font files, as you are going to add new religions' icons it may give you some trouble. It might help if you add icons to the attached file. It is the same RoM current file with one change. The bottom line of icons was repeated shifting the empty row underneath one cell down. This trick I got from FfH and it worked for me when I applied it to Overlord2 fonts file.

I managed to make working gamefont.tga file, only gamefont_75.tga is giving me headache now - for some unknown reason when religion appears in city, the game puts one resource icon above citybar. Tested with normal RoM gamefont_75 file and it was same thing so I think I have python bug somewhere in maininterface.py...

I'll check that font file and see what the trick is, might help me in future

Kalimakhus · Apr 18, 2008

The issue you describe is caused by the GameFont.tga not the 75 one. Try my file and add your religion icons to it. It should work.

zappara · Apr 18, 2008

@Kalimakhus

Ok, I'll try that

Preytor · Apr 18, 2008

I have two questions:

1. Is there/will there be "the Plague" as seen in Rhye's and fall?

2. Could you please include Mastery for a victory condition?
I used Mastery Victory in ViSa.

Thank you very much
P

zappara · Apr 18, 2008

@Preytor

No plague or any other diseases yet. I think I saw plague coded with python in Gods of Old scenario and I was actually going to check how easy it would be to combine those functions to my mod.. not high on my priority list but will check it some time soon.

No master victory option. I had it long time ago in mod's warlords version but it wasn't working correctly then so I removed it (this was about year ago).

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