vranasm
Deity
^^ BIC sent me screenshot of Oracle->CS at T63 while having 3 cities. He wrote something along the lines of getting second worker before settler for chops, maybe he will sneak in himself to offer comparision.
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pigswill
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Philosophy Bulb requires Col and med which I've already got. A GS will tech the following early techs before philosophy: writing, maths, wheel alphabet.
So I need maths and alphabet. I would also like lit and music. Pottery would be useful for cottages and granaries. I also need to expand and fund my expansion. Cottages might help a bit with this but I'm wondering if I shouldn't go alphabet to build research while running slavery (scientists are more useful during caste but its hard to whip settlers and workers in caste).
Going directly for lit>music during expansion may not be the fastest route as another 2-4 cities will send maintenance costs soaring.
So I need maths and alphabet. I would also like lit and music. Pottery would be useful for cottages and granaries. I also need to expand and fund my expansion. Cottages might help a bit with this but I'm wondering if I shouldn't go alphabet to build research while running slavery (scientists are more useful during caste but its hard to whip settlers and workers in caste).
Going directly for lit>music during expansion may not be the fastest route as another 2-4 cities will send maintenance costs soaring.
Does it look much better than one bellow?
Spoiler :
Because I am not entirely sold if it is worth the used resources. GS especially.
Smilingrogue
Raging Barbarian
Monarch level player, trying to learn.
I am assuming that the fastest way to Oracle Civil Service is to use a GS to bulb Mathematics, tech Code of Laws via Priesthood (unlocking Oracle too), then take CS?
Is that all the steps involved or are there other techs I am missing? Thanks for your time.
I am assuming that the fastest way to Oracle Civil Service is to use a GS to bulb Mathematics, tech Code of Laws via Priesthood (unlocking Oracle too), then take CS?
Is that all the steps involved or are there other techs I am missing? Thanks for your time.
vranasm
Deity
Monarch level player, trying to learn.
I am assuming that the fastest way to Oracle Civil Service is to use a GS to bulb Mathematics, tech Code of Laws via Priesthood (unlocking Oracle too), then take CS?
Is that all the steps involved or are there other techs I am missing? Thanks for your time.
yep that should be the way.
Pretty much that.
However bulbing maths is waste of bulb [beaker wise] as bulb is at 1.5k beaker area. CoL is not a tech doing much at deep BC either.
Personally I would say self tech math while focusing on scouting is better. If crowded oracle Construction; if there is plenty of room Currency, road to AI and expand.
BornInCantaloup
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pigswill
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Unfortunately I played cautious and took CoL several turns ago.
A plan:
Research: pottery>alphabet.
Diplomacy. Ignore Toku. Adopt hinduism and gift Pericles gems, try to get him up to pleased. I looked at DJ Anion's 'everything you wanted to know about civ but were afraid to ask' and my understanding is that Pericles won't declare at pleased.
Civics: swop to slavery in 2 turns.
Delhi: library, grows to pop 6 in 5 turns>settler. Gets academy from GS in 3 turns.
Bombay>settler, swop scientists to mines in 2 turns.
Vijay: axe>worker.
Pali. Whip WB, whip galley, whip WB.
Exploration. Axes explore NW frontier. WB explores south island. Galley explores west coast.
A plan:
Research: pottery>alphabet.
Diplomacy. Ignore Toku. Adopt hinduism and gift Pericles gems, try to get him up to pleased. I looked at DJ Anion's 'everything you wanted to know about civ but were afraid to ask' and my understanding is that Pericles won't declare at pleased.
Civics: swop to slavery in 2 turns.
Delhi: library, grows to pop 6 in 5 turns>settler. Gets academy from GS in 3 turns.
Bombay>settler, swop scientists to mines in 2 turns.
Vijay: axe>worker.
Pali. Whip WB, whip galley, whip WB.
Exploration. Axes explore NW frontier. WB explores south island. Galley explores west coast.
Why so? To fasten tech? But it does not look like there is worker force for cottaging....
vicawoo
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I did it again with bulbing math and getting bronze working after agriculture, oracle can be completed turn 56. I'm still wasting a lot of hammers building warriors while teching to priesthood/writing, but the extra worker turns chopping is probably faster unless you can get priesthood right after you finish mining the gems.
Edit: if you go priesthood before bronze working, you can do turn 54. Now I'm going to try improving the gem before the rice.
Edit 2: nope, still turn 54, maybe you could do it a turn faster if you spent an extra turn on the floodplains instead of the gem to save a turn of library growth.
Edit: if you go priesthood before bronze working, you can do turn 54. Now I'm going to try improving the gem before the rice.
Edit 2: nope, still turn 54, maybe you could do it a turn faster if you spent an extra turn on the floodplains instead of the gem to save a turn of library growth.
vranasm
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what I really liked about BIC game was that he managed to land Oracle->CS while having 3 cities (even if size 2 and 1) on ~T64...
basically meaning he got really good tech beeline while not throwing expansion (pericles had same amount of cities). I think he even had reasonably big capital to pump more w/s (would have to recheck) and of course bureau hammers from chops and math.
The whole beeline brings tons of trade techs too which is another big +.
for example first SS from vicawoo if I got it right was basically about having capital and bureau couple turns sooner. Doesn't feel worth it.
I think the trick here is 2 workers, chop settler, beeline writing before PH->CoL, chop library, run scientists and try to sync oracle with math bulb and CoL.
city 2 on pigs should size 2 pump out settler, worker. since it has first ring very good pigs tile and GH (or PH? can't remember now)
that way you're in expansion business and deep tech business.
Saying all of that, Oracle is always gambit, especially if you don't have any idea with whom you're on map.
basically meaning he got really good tech beeline while not throwing expansion (pericles had same amount of cities). I think he even had reasonably big capital to pump more w/s (would have to recheck) and of course bureau hammers from chops and math.
The whole beeline brings tons of trade techs too which is another big +.
for example first SS from vicawoo if I got it right was basically about having capital and bureau couple turns sooner. Doesn't feel worth it.
I think the trick here is 2 workers, chop settler, beeline writing before PH->CoL, chop library, run scientists and try to sync oracle with math bulb and CoL.
city 2 on pigs should size 2 pump out settler, worker. since it has first ring very good pigs tile and GH (or PH? can't remember now)
that way you're in expansion business and deep tech business.
Saying all of that, Oracle is always gambit, especially if you don't have any idea with whom you're on map.
vicawoo
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If you want a second city and 3rd city, I think if you go bronze working after agriculture you can dump that extra production into a settler and have your second city build a worker then settler. At 8 or 9 production + chops, you can probably build it in 7 turns while maybe delaying your library by 4?
I went academy as opposed to bulbing in my first post, since I was playing it without planning. You usually can't expand pre-library off of double gold starts, because you grow very slowly with two golds and will be racing to get your population high enough to run 2 specialists.
Both turn 54s are with bulbing, but that's fast enough that it's worth sacrificing a lot.
I went academy as opposed to bulbing in my first post, since I was playing it without planning. You usually can't expand pre-library off of double gold starts, because you grow very slowly with two golds and will be racing to get your population high enough to run 2 specialists.
Both turn 54s are with bulbing, but that's fast enough that it's worth sacrificing a lot.
pigswill
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Soriana. My thinking is 12 gpp is useful towards next GS for philo even with a slavery break in between. Afaik gpp don't decay.
Oh, well. So you plan use caste scientists in bombay to generate scond Gs, right?
pigswill
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Yes (10 char)
How about getting caste GM to bulb CS in such case?
I think you need just currency and alpha [hopefully in trade] to make this.
edit: completely forgot BR need to be avoided in order for this to work. Keep on
pigswill
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Played another 13 turns up to 625bc.
Remembered to give spare gems to Pericles and adopt Hinduism in 900bc and he became Pleased instantly. Still ignoring Toku coz I'm sure he's on a different landmass (all I've seen is one exploring WB).
RNG hasn't been kind vs barbs and I've lost a couple of defending warriors. WB is exploring southern island which looks pretty big and pretty uninhabited. Galley has just started heading west. Axes have explored some of the north west frontier. Varanasi got founded in 650bc:
Couple more provisional sites:
Southern site is pretty naff but does capture ivory and marble. That's a very handy river indeed.
Looks like Pericles has got some tasty tundra to the north to which he is welcome.
Got alphabet in 625bc and traded alphabet to Pericles for masonry and IW. He's not trading maths at the moment and I don't want hunting until I've built a couple of MP warriors.
Vijay has iron in BFC though Pericles could theoretically pinch it, there's another south coast iron but a city there would be marginal. Varanasi should get horses unless Pericles claim jumps 3 tiles away which ain't unusual AI behaviour. Time will tell.
Still haven't met anyone else but haven't got very far west.
I swopped to slavery in 900bc and swopped back to caste in 725bc. Bombay is back to running 3 scientists. GS due in 6.
Delhi got its academy in 875bc and a library as well and its grown to pop 7.
Vijay will complete a settler in 2 turns. Delhi gets a settler in 4-5 turns (depending on chop). I'll aim to send them to the sites I've provisionally marked.
Pericles has got another city but I've no idea where as its borders don't show up on a culture map. I'm surprised how slowly he's expanding though the barbs do seem to hate him.
Tech remains tricky. Music via literature sounds tempting and I want to get it first for the free Artist (Sistine is another target). Still want maths and I may need currency because building wealth with higher science slider is more effective than building research at 100% wealth.
Remembered to give spare gems to Pericles and adopt Hinduism in 900bc and he became Pleased instantly. Still ignoring Toku coz I'm sure he's on a different landmass (all I've seen is one exploring WB).
RNG hasn't been kind vs barbs and I've lost a couple of defending warriors. WB is exploring southern island which looks pretty big and pretty uninhabited. Galley has just started heading west. Axes have explored some of the north west frontier. Varanasi got founded in 650bc:
Couple more provisional sites:
Southern site is pretty naff but does capture ivory and marble. That's a very handy river indeed.
Looks like Pericles has got some tasty tundra to the north to which he is welcome.
Got alphabet in 625bc and traded alphabet to Pericles for masonry and IW. He's not trading maths at the moment and I don't want hunting until I've built a couple of MP warriors.
Vijay has iron in BFC though Pericles could theoretically pinch it, there's another south coast iron but a city there would be marginal. Varanasi should get horses unless Pericles claim jumps 3 tiles away which ain't unusual AI behaviour. Time will tell.
Still haven't met anyone else but haven't got very far west.
I swopped to slavery in 900bc and swopped back to caste in 725bc. Bombay is back to running 3 scientists. GS due in 6.
Delhi got its academy in 875bc and a library as well and its grown to pop 7.
Vijay will complete a settler in 2 turns. Delhi gets a settler in 4-5 turns (depending on chop). I'll aim to send them to the sites I've provisionally marked.
Pericles has got another city but I've no idea where as its borders don't show up on a culture map. I'm surprised how slowly he's expanding though the barbs do seem to hate him.
Tech remains tricky. Music via literature sounds tempting and I want to get it first for the free Artist (Sistine is another target). Still want maths and I may need currency because building wealth with higher science slider is more effective than building research at 100% wealth.
Smilingrogue
Raging Barbarian
@ Pigswill
Why settle Varanasi there? Isn't 1 SE a much stronger city off the bat thanks to two flood plains it can work, without a border-pop? It will still block Pericles as it will cover land upto the peaks.
Another city 1 SW of Horse can pick that resource up and gets a grassland cow. Or is that not a good play?
Why settle Varanasi there? Isn't 1 SE a much stronger city off the bat thanks to two flood plains it can work, without a border-pop? It will still block Pericles as it will cover land upto the peaks.
Another city 1 SW of Horse can pick that resource up and gets a grassland cow. Or is that not a good play?
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