Jason The King
Deity
To Spain
From France
You are dead.
From France
You are dead.
Rnes5: To Trust a Thief. Board NES
- Thread starter RoddyVR
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Pontiuth Pilate
Republican Jesus!
Last time I checked there was nothing between Spanish troops and Paris.You just didn't lay your claim to the south firmly enough so I decided to take it. Please don't touch 13 either, that belongs to Italy.
Of course, if you're willing to have peace at these borders, I'll repay the two gold I stole from you. I just needed to take them to temporarily disarm you.
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
added two more rule clarification question/answers to the third post in the thread.
1. Can I disband armies and fleets i no longer want to use?
2. Can newly built fleets take on armies if the armies were built earlier?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1694701#post1694701
1. Can I disband armies and fleets i no longer want to use?
2. Can newly built fleets take on armies if the armies were built earlier?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1694701#post1694701
Greetings, great powers of Europe. This is Africa.
I'm glad to be able to be a part of this game.
I've noticed this game is different due to actually having Trade, and the problems that come along with trade. Two countries can trade with each other, and both gain, or one country can steal that trade, and gain a little bit, but cost the other country more, so it's a net loss. So it's a classic cooperate-or-compete problem from Games Theory. If everyone competes, the ones who compete first win - but if we can get a few people to consistently cooperate, since cooperation is a net gain, the cooperators will win in the end.
So, in order to solve this problem in a way that the cooperators all benefit, I'd like to propose a free trade association -- let's call it the African Free Trade Association, or AFTA. All the members of AFTA simply agree not to steal each others' trade. No other conditions. We simply keep track of who has stolen trade from an AFTA member, and take them out of AFTA. After a short time, we'll see who can be trusted and who can't, and we will feel free to trade within the group. Since trade is a net gain, everyone in AFTA will benefit, and, frankly, eventually, all the thieves will lose out, since they won't have anyone to trade with. We can also write orders to steal any trade from anyone who is not a member of AFTA, but that is optional. The only requirement is not to steal from the group.
After reading the game history, I think I see that Spain and Rome (Italy) have each stolen trade, and no one else has - is that correct? If that is correct, I will start AFTA membership with everyone else: Austria, France, Germany, Norway, Russia, Turkey, UK/Britain, and, of course, Africa.
I will promise not to steal your trade, or that of anyone else in the AFTA group, as long as you don't steal the trade of anyone else in the AFTA group. If you steal from anyone in AFTA, you will be dropped from AFTA.
Please note that this doesn't mean I am at all hostile to Spain or Rome. I am not declaring war on Spain or Rome. I will still make deals, pacts, etc., maybe even military alliances or cooperate in battle. I just won't trade with them, since I've seen them steal from people who haven't stolen from them, and I have other countries to trade with who haven't done that.
Sincerely, Hannibal
(Thanks, Rome, edited.)
I'm glad to be able to be a part of this game.
I've noticed this game is different due to actually having Trade, and the problems that come along with trade. Two countries can trade with each other, and both gain, or one country can steal that trade, and gain a little bit, but cost the other country more, so it's a net loss. So it's a classic cooperate-or-compete problem from Games Theory. If everyone competes, the ones who compete first win - but if we can get a few people to consistently cooperate, since cooperation is a net gain, the cooperators will win in the end.
So, in order to solve this problem in a way that the cooperators all benefit, I'd like to propose a free trade association -- let's call it the African Free Trade Association, or AFTA. All the members of AFTA simply agree not to steal each others' trade. No other conditions. We simply keep track of who has stolen trade from an AFTA member, and take them out of AFTA. After a short time, we'll see who can be trusted and who can't, and we will feel free to trade within the group. Since trade is a net gain, everyone in AFTA will benefit, and, frankly, eventually, all the thieves will lose out, since they won't have anyone to trade with. We can also write orders to steal any trade from anyone who is not a member of AFTA, but that is optional. The only requirement is not to steal from the group.
After reading the game history, I think I see that Spain and Rome (Italy) have each stolen trade, and no one else has - is that correct? If that is correct, I will start AFTA membership with everyone else: Austria, France, Germany, Norway, Russia, Turkey, UK/Britain, and, of course, Africa.
I will promise not to steal your trade, or that of anyone else in the AFTA group, as long as you don't steal the trade of anyone else in the AFTA group. If you steal from anyone in AFTA, you will be dropped from AFTA.
Please note that this doesn't mean I am at all hostile to Spain or Rome. I am not declaring war on Spain or Rome. I will still make deals, pacts, etc., maybe even military alliances or cooperate in battle. I just won't trade with them, since I've seen them steal from people who haven't stolen from them, and I have other countries to trade with who haven't done that.
Sincerely, Hannibal
(Thanks, Rome, edited.)
Pontiuth Pilate
Republican Jesus!
We will NOT be joining AFTA.
If someone wants to trade with us, then we will make a 1-on-1 agreement. So far, I have negotiated an agreement with Rome... and that's all.
However, I am very eager to make a deal with Africa and Turkey.
And, everyone should know that I have only stolen gold from France - everyone else is safe in Spain. I do want to iron out the details of any agreements though.
Africa, Turkey, Rome, England - can we talk via PM sometime?
If someone wants to trade with us, then we will make a 1-on-1 agreement. So far, I have negotiated an agreement with Rome... and that's all.
However, I am very eager to make a deal with Africa and Turkey.
And, everyone should know that I have only stolen gold from France - everyone else is safe in Spain. I do want to iron out the details of any agreements though.
Africa, Turkey, Rome, England - can we talk via PM sometime?
Pontiuth Pilate
Republican Jesus!
So, France, we need to know about your stance. It's just a game, man you were outmaneuvered. Besides, you didn't stake your claim to the South of France well enough - your army was on the other side of the country! 
So - can we have peace at these borders, in which case I return the money I took from you? Or must we continue the war until you accept the new borders of France?
you were outmaneuvered. Besides, you didn't stake your claim to the South of France well enough - your army was on the other side of the country! So - can we have peace at these borders, in which case I return the money I took from you? Or must we continue the war until you accept the new borders of France?
Jason The King
Deity
To Spain
From France
We were not angry about you taking the southern FRENCH province, we are angry about you stealing again. We are at war, I don't care if it is a war France cannot win, we will not be cheated.
From France
We were not angry about you taking the southern FRENCH province, we are angry about you stealing again. We are at war, I don't care if it is a war France cannot win, we will not be cheated.
Pontiuth Pilate
Republican Jesus!
If that's what you're angry about, then we will send you whatever you demand in reparations
Argument over, I suppose.
Argument over, I suppose.
Jason The King
Deity
To Britain, Rome and Africa
From France
Spain is a cheat, a lie, and a scoundral. Let me give you a brief history of the relations between France and Spain. In the early days, Spain came up with an elaborate plan to stimulate a fair trade agreement throughout Europe. When France agreed and sent caravans, they were stolen by Spain. Lie and cheat number one. Then, after working out a deal and coming to an agreement of peace and trade, Spain again cheats and steals double the amount this time. Lie and cheat number two. Now, I ask you this: do you want to allow a nation of considerable power and prestige who lies and cheats to be in this world, let alone in the same region as you? I know Rome is a very noble nation, as is Africa for trying to form a free trade pact, and as for Britain, well, we are sure you can prove it. Now I ask you to join France, a victim of a nation who's lies have gone rampant. What say you?
To Germany
From France
We ask for a NAP. Will this do? We are sure you are a very noble and powerful nation, and perhaps we could stregthen the NAP later and turn it into an alliance.
From France
Spain is a cheat, a lie, and a scoundral. Let me give you a brief history of the relations between France and Spain. In the early days, Spain came up with an elaborate plan to stimulate a fair trade agreement throughout Europe. When France agreed and sent caravans, they were stolen by Spain. Lie and cheat number one. Then, after working out a deal and coming to an agreement of peace and trade, Spain again cheats and steals double the amount this time. Lie and cheat number two. Now, I ask you this: do you want to allow a nation of considerable power and prestige who lies and cheats to be in this world, let alone in the same region as you? I know Rome is a very noble nation, as is Africa for trying to form a free trade pact, and as for Britain, well, we are sure you can prove it. Now I ask you to join France, a victim of a nation who's lies have gone rampant. What say you?
To Germany
From France
We ask for a NAP. Will this do? We are sure you are a very noble and powerful nation, and perhaps we could stregthen the NAP later and turn it into an alliance.
Jason The King
Deity
ooc: pontiuth, you have AIM? It would help a lot if you did.
Pontiuth Pilate
Republican Jesus!
You can always drop me a PM
Pontiuth Pilate
Republican Jesus!
Also, what's up with the non-development of England? If the player doesn't send orders, maybe it should be switched to an NPC 
Jason The King
Deity
To Spain
From France
Send us 3c this turn. Next turn, if it is done, we may have peace at CURRENT borders. But until then, we are at war.
From France
Send us 3c this turn. Next turn, if it is done, we may have peace at CURRENT borders. But until then, we are at war.
Pontiuth Pilate
Republican Jesus!
And what assurance do I have that you won't take the gold AND attack me, eh?
If and when my borders are entirely secure, you'll get a gift in reparation for my attack and in hopes of further peaceful cooperation
If and when my borders are entirely secure, you'll get a gift in reparation for my attack and in hopes of further peaceful cooperation
Jason The King
Deity
And again you change your mind. Only you're getting better since you didn't backstab me again. Until you pay us back you shall be at war with France. We cannot trust you anymore.
tossi
Der kleine Prinz
From: Russia
To: UK
Do you have some problems on your island?`Russia decides that you are too weak for us and we hearby break the DDP.
To: UK
Do you have some problems on your island?`Russia decides that you are too weak for us and we hearby break the DDP.
