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Rnes5: To Trust a Thief. Board NES
- Thread starter RoddyVR
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tossi
Der kleine Prinz
From: Russia
To: Turkey
We will NOT give you a territory right next to my capitol! Either apologise or prepare for war with Russia.
To: Norway
66 is yours if you sign a 5 turn NAP.
To: Germany
Eastern brothers. Lets sign a 5 turn NAP to secure our borders.
To: Turkey
We will NOT give you a territory right next to my capitol! Either apologise or prepare for war with Russia.
To: Norway
66 is yours if you sign a 5 turn NAP.
To: Germany
Eastern brothers. Lets sign a 5 turn NAP to secure our borders.
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
From Norway
To Russia
We are the VIkings!
Axe Wielders
Youth Born
Still Strong
Baresark We!
We take what land we consider our, and we're too illiterate to know about this "treety" thing... OOC:although, if it makes you happy, may I point out that the Vikings mainly went off and colonized Greenland rather than going further east.
To Russia
We are the VIkings!
Axe Wielders
Youth Born
Still Strong
Baresark We!
We take what land we consider our, and we're too illiterate to know about this "treety" thing... OOC:although, if it makes you happy, may I point out that the Vikings mainly went off and colonized Greenland rather than going further east.
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
in my frantic search today to get a player or two, i think i've got another person who may join later today. if he does, it'll have to be as Austria (i'm assuming none of you are gonna quit). But for now, i feel i am a bit more free to act as a nation with Austria, here goes.
To Rome
From Austria
Your agression agains lands that are rightfully Austrian has not gone unnoticed. When you claimed 33, we could not interefere as we had no armies that could reach in time. So we did not say anything. But at that time you also said that you would not go any further. You have now tried to claim more lands that border our capitol, and in doing so caused the deaths of our men as well as your own.
Now that we have both the forces to take what is rightfully ours and the provocation to convince our populace to go to war, we will take back the territory bordering our capitol. If you do not want a full scale war on your hands (not to mention the blood of many Roman and Austrian men), then please leave territory 33 undefended and we will not persue this conflict after taking it.
Thank you,
Austrian Council of Foreign Affairs
To World
from Austria
We are sending you a copy of the letter sent to Rome (see above). As you see from it, it has become neccessary for Austria to go into conflict with Rome. The presence of Roman armies next to our capitol is very disturbing, as loosing control of our capitol will collapse our nation. And while in the past our nation was unable to prevent Rome from coming so close to our capitol, now Rome's own agressivness (sending an army to 40) has given us the opportunity to reclaim what is ours without bloodshed.
We do not ask for direct military aid, as we are capable of defending our own interests. We ask the other nations of the world to convince Rome to let us have territory 33 (EDIT: was a typo, had 40 there, sorry for any confusion) and avoid any bloodshed and we ask that those on our borders not interefere in this conflict (if it turns into a conflict), as this is purely an Austrian-Roman affair.
Thank you,
Chancelor of the House of Senators of Austria.
To AFTA
From Austria
We would like to ask for membership in your fine organization. We believe you will find that no one will dispute the fact that Austria has never interefered in other nations' efforts to trade within our nation.
Thank you,
Master of Trade of Austria
To Germany
from Austria
Dear Friend and Neighbor,
First let us congratulate you on your nations consolidation behind such a wise and powerfull ruler. We are glad that our Northern neighbors will now be able to take a more focused direction in their foreign affairs.
We would like to request of you that you do not send any armies into territory 40, as we are planing to claim it this turn.
We would have already claimed it, but the aggressive Romans interefered.
Thank you,
Minister of Peacefull Expansion of Austria
To Rome
From Austria
Your agression agains lands that are rightfully Austrian has not gone unnoticed. When you claimed 33, we could not interefere as we had no armies that could reach in time. So we did not say anything. But at that time you also said that you would not go any further. You have now tried to claim more lands that border our capitol, and in doing so caused the deaths of our men as well as your own.
Now that we have both the forces to take what is rightfully ours and the provocation to convince our populace to go to war, we will take back the territory bordering our capitol. If you do not want a full scale war on your hands (not to mention the blood of many Roman and Austrian men), then please leave territory 33 undefended and we will not persue this conflict after taking it.
Thank you,
Austrian Council of Foreign Affairs
To World
from Austria
We are sending you a copy of the letter sent to Rome (see above). As you see from it, it has become neccessary for Austria to go into conflict with Rome. The presence of Roman armies next to our capitol is very disturbing, as loosing control of our capitol will collapse our nation. And while in the past our nation was unable to prevent Rome from coming so close to our capitol, now Rome's own agressivness (sending an army to 40) has given us the opportunity to reclaim what is ours without bloodshed.
We do not ask for direct military aid, as we are capable of defending our own interests. We ask the other nations of the world to convince Rome to let us have territory 33 (EDIT: was a typo, had 40 there, sorry for any confusion) and avoid any bloodshed and we ask that those on our borders not interefere in this conflict (if it turns into a conflict), as this is purely an Austrian-Roman affair.
Thank you,
Chancelor of the House of Senators of Austria.
To AFTA
From Austria
We would like to ask for membership in your fine organization. We believe you will find that no one will dispute the fact that Austria has never interefered in other nations' efforts to trade within our nation.
Thank you,
Master of Trade of Austria
To Germany
from Austria
Dear Friend and Neighbor,
First let us congratulate you on your nations consolidation behind such a wise and powerfull ruler. We are glad that our Northern neighbors will now be able to take a more focused direction in their foreign affairs.
We would like to request of you that you do not send any armies into territory 40, as we are planing to claim it this turn.
We would have already claimed it, but the aggressive Romans interefered.
Thank you,
Minister of Peacefull Expansion of Austria
Re: Austria
Whoah.
If this means you won't be rolling dice any more whether or not to steal caravans, then sure, welcome to the Free Trade Agreement.
I also definitely advise Rome to stay out of 40.... For world peace.... To avoid bloodshed. ... And the fact that Rome can't reach 40 this turn should also be a strong argument. I'm staying out of the 33 dispute, though!
Whoah.
If this means you won't be rolling dice any more whether or not to steal caravans, then sure, welcome to the Free Trade Agreement.
I also definitely advise Rome to stay out of 40.... For world peace.... To avoid bloodshed. ... And the fact that Rome can't reach 40 this turn should also be a strong argument. I'm staying out of the 33 dispute, though!
erez87
Lord of Random
- Joined
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to Austria:
Than war it is. All infastructre plans are canceled and a mighty army is to be built to keep 33 as it's Italian populated area under our control.
If you want it so easily only payment will do. Espaicaly since it's already a town and not just a small village.
Than war it is. All infastructre plans are canceled and a mighty army is to be built to keep 33 as it's Italian populated area under our control.
If you want it so easily only payment will do. Espaicaly since it's already a town and not just a small village.
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
oh, bugger.
the letter to the world sais "help convince rome to leave 40 to austria" that should have been 33 not 40.
and, yes, from now on, untill someone takes it over, i'm playing austria as a player nation.
oh, and for those of you sending orders, yes it is turn 4 now. i've got 2 orders now with titles like "orders for turn....4 right?"
the letter to the world sais "help convince rome to leave 40 to austria" that should have been 33 not 40.
and, yes, from now on, untill someone takes it over, i'm playing austria as a player nation.
oh, and for those of you sending orders, yes it is turn 4 now. i've got 2 orders now with titles like "orders for turn....4 right?"
Jason The King
Deity
To Spain
From France
See what greed has brought you? You begin your greedy ways by stealing trade that you had agreed to. Then you do it again and get a real enemy who has declared war, and all your neighbores discredit you. You also take a province that is rightfully France's, but could you stick with just one province? No, you had to have two. Look what it has costed you. Either make peace, surrendering 13, or face your utter destruction.
To Africa
From France
Our AFTA agreement is beginning to wreak in the profits for both our nations. I look forward to continual cooperation among our merchants.
To Rome
From France
While we support your cause, like you did ours, we will not aid you directly, as you didn't do for us. Good luck, friend.
To Britain
From France
We are glad you have finally awakened. We look forward to further cooperation among our peoples.
To The French Army:
You have performed well, much better then past speculation led me to believe you would. Now, as your king, I ask that you be prepared for the worst if Spain does not surrender.
From France
See what greed has brought you? You begin your greedy ways by stealing trade that you had agreed to. Then you do it again and get a real enemy who has declared war, and all your neighbores discredit you. You also take a province that is rightfully France's, but could you stick with just one province? No, you had to have two. Look what it has costed you. Either make peace, surrendering 13, or face your utter destruction.
To Africa
From France
Our AFTA agreement is beginning to wreak in the profits for both our nations. I look forward to continual cooperation among our merchants.
To Rome
From France
While we support your cause, like you did ours, we will not aid you directly, as you didn't do for us. Good luck, friend.
To Britain
From France
We are glad you have finally awakened. We look forward to further cooperation among our peoples.
To The French Army:
You have performed well, much better then past speculation led me to believe you would. Now, as your king, I ask that you be prepared for the worst if Spain does not surrender.
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
have just realized (more like had it pointed out, but still) that i've not been posting the sizes/tax incomes of each nation.
this is the max number of caravans that you can send to a nation.
while it can easily be figured out from the map (add up 3 for each city, 2 for each town and 1s for empty and military bases), i did promise to put it in the updates.
will update the update post with them in a few mins.
this is the max number of caravans that you can send to a nation.
while it can easily be figured out from the map (add up 3 for each city, 2 for each town and 1s for empty and military bases), i did promise to put it in the updates.
will update the update post with them in a few mins.
tossi
Der kleine Prinz
Russia just wanted to announce that we are part of the AFTA.
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
ok, i've got 7 of 9 orders (plus my own for austria).
so Jason and Pontiuth, get your orders in.
One of the players is going away for the weekend and would like to see the next update before he leaves tomorow morning (morning my time). so try to get them in so i got them today (or when i wake up tomorow).
so Jason and Pontiuth, get your orders in.
One of the players is going away for the weekend and would like to see the next update before he leaves tomorow morning (morning my time). so try to get them in so i got them today (or when i wake up tomorow).
Jason The King
Deity
well, I havn't got a reply from Pontiuth, that is what I am waiting for. Oh well, I'll send orders tonight right before i go to bed, giving Pontiuth more time.
Jason
Jason
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
arg...
um, pontiuth, you thinking of sending orders any time soon?
would realy like to do the update today (was hoping to do it now, but...)
thanks.
EDIT:
ok, pontiuth, you're clearly visiting CFC, but not sure if you're seeing any of this.
have you given up on this game already or something?
has anyone gotten a PM reply from Pontiuth since the last update?
anyone know if he's reading his PMs? (the PM tracer thing will tell you if your pms have been read by the recipients).
i go to lunch in about 40 mins.
will do update then.
Pontiuth, please send your orders by then. or at least a pm/post saying you will send them soon, so i know i'm not waiting for no reason.
um, pontiuth, you thinking of sending orders any time soon?
would realy like to do the update today (was hoping to do it now, but...)
thanks.
EDIT:
ok, pontiuth, you're clearly visiting CFC, but not sure if you're seeing any of this.
have you given up on this game already or something?
has anyone gotten a PM reply from Pontiuth since the last update?
anyone know if he's reading his PMs? (the PM tracer thing will tell you if your pms have been read by the recipients).
i go to lunch in about 40 mins.
will do update then.
Pontiuth, please send your orders by then. or at least a pm/post saying you will send them soon, so i know i'm not waiting for no reason.
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
Pontiuth, i'm sorry, but i did the orders for Spain myself.
not sure what the hold up with you was, i hope its not that you've lost interest. talk about a tough choise though. I'd realy prefer not doing that again.
I've realized that i cant realy run Austria as a nation, cause after this update i know who's stealing, who's not and so on. didnt realize that before
Battles:
Territory 12 - 2 France vs 1 Spain
The French reinforced their front line, and the Spanish army sent here in hopes of taking halting any possible French offencive into Spain was destroyed, but not before taking one French army with it.
Territory 33 - 1 Austria
The town in this territory was destroyed by bandits while the change of power was in progress.
Territory 32 - 1 Austria vs 1 Rome
As always, a 1 vs 1 results in mutual destruction.
econ: country - gold to spend ... size (max you can send to it)
Britain- 19 ... 6
France- 7 ... 7
Spain- 6 ... 7
Africa- 15 ... 10
Rome- 13 ... 12
Turkey- 17 ... 6
Russia- 23 ... 9
Norway- 12 ... 10
Germany- 10 ... 10
Austria- 10 ... 9
not sure what the hold up with you was, i hope its not that you've lost interest. talk about a tough choise though. I'd realy prefer not doing that again.
I've realized that i cant realy run Austria as a nation, cause after this update i know who's stealing, who's not and so on. didnt realize that before
Battles:
Territory 12 - 2 France vs 1 Spain
The French reinforced their front line, and the Spanish army sent here in hopes of taking halting any possible French offencive into Spain was destroyed, but not before taking one French army with it.
Territory 33 - 1 Austria
The town in this territory was destroyed by bandits while the change of power was in progress.
Territory 32 - 1 Austria vs 1 Rome
As always, a 1 vs 1 results in mutual destruction.
econ: country - gold to spend ... size (max you can send to it)
Britain- 19 ... 6
France- 7 ... 7
Spain- 6 ... 7
Africa- 15 ... 10
Rome- 13 ... 12
Turkey- 17 ... 6
Russia- 23 ... 9
Norway- 12 ... 10
Germany- 10 ... 10
Austria- 10 ... 9
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
well, "we" wont be making any such decisions. if Pontiuth realy doesnt want to stick with Spain, then he's free to take over Austria instead.
but so far i have no indication from him that he's not interested in continuing playing spain. just havent got orders for this turn.
From Austria
to Rome
Dear Neighbor,
We thank you for keeping to your promise, and we hope you will understand why we did what we did. We do not want a war, but we also had to make sure that if you broke your promise that we could recover from the hit.
If you analize the situation from last turn, you will see that the austrian attack on province 32 had absolutely no chance of succeding (ie taking the province) unless you had betrayed the agreement between us.
It was purely a defencive measure that had only 2 possible outcomes:
1. if you lied and moved your army to either 33 or 42 (which was a big worry), that army would have been cut off from further reinforcement and after a couple turns, we would have been able to destroy it.
2. if you did not lie (as you didnt, thank you), then your army in 32 and our incoming army would both get destroyed and pretymuch cause no harm to anyone.
we did expect you to build a new army, with which you could have now reinforced 32, as that would have left our border in a prety stable condition. as it is now, you probably will be very nerveous about my armies comming into 32 again. i appologise for this unforseen worry that i have caused you.
as promised we will send you the gold we promised you this turn for keeping your promise of giving up 33 without a fight.
Minister of Defence of Austria
Minister of Foreign Affairs of Austria
but so far i have no indication from him that he's not interested in continuing playing spain. just havent got orders for this turn.
From Austria
to Rome
Dear Neighbor,
We thank you for keeping to your promise, and we hope you will understand why we did what we did. We do not want a war, but we also had to make sure that if you broke your promise that we could recover from the hit.
If you analize the situation from last turn, you will see that the austrian attack on province 32 had absolutely no chance of succeding (ie taking the province) unless you had betrayed the agreement between us.
It was purely a defencive measure that had only 2 possible outcomes:
1. if you lied and moved your army to either 33 or 42 (which was a big worry), that army would have been cut off from further reinforcement and after a couple turns, we would have been able to destroy it.
2. if you did not lie (as you didnt, thank you), then your army in 32 and our incoming army would both get destroyed and pretymuch cause no harm to anyone.
we did expect you to build a new army, with which you could have now reinforced 32, as that would have left our border in a prety stable condition. as it is now, you probably will be very nerveous about my armies comming into 32 again. i appologise for this unforseen worry that i have caused you.
as promised we will send you the gold we promised you this turn for keeping your promise of giving up 33 without a fight.
Minister of Defence of Austria
Minister of Foreign Affairs of Austria
erez87
Lord of Random
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ROME
to Austria:
Just know that because of your attack on 42 Austria and Rome will NEVER have more than peace. Our Diplomatic reletions are hereby closed forever. Not paying the 1 gold this turn will also bring a grand war between Rome and Austria.
to AFTA:
Your sending mercants even tought you said you will steal from us? Not smart...
We will join i we will be sure that no one in the organization will steal from us.
to Africa:
Leave 26 empty we have nothing more to add. Your aggresive attitude against Rome is more than enough to bring us into this diplomacy.
to France:
We have what to talk about... Come to AIM the second you can.
to the World:
Most likly Carthage won't accept us to AFTA and because of of that we declear the Free Europian Market to be openned in Rome.
This economies alliance is ONLY for Europian countries.
Any country in this alliance must open it's trades open with all other members. None members are not realy cared about...
You can be in both AFTA and the Free Europian Market. Also the Market will not be subjected from wars! 2 countries that are at war are welcome to not trade, but being in Free Europian Market will make them understand that from others are not allowed to theif!
Unlike AFTA, Free Europian Market will also help member countries that money was stealed from by other members by rejecting those members and declearing embargoes. If it's becoming too much also war is a method to save trade.
Other than that any country who wish to send marcents to Rome befor joining the Free Europian Market otherwise their money most likly will be stealed from this turn forward.
to Austria:
Just know that because of your attack on 42 Austria and Rome will NEVER have more than peace. Our Diplomatic reletions are hereby closed forever. Not paying the 1 gold this turn will also bring a grand war between Rome and Austria.
to AFTA:
Your sending mercants even tought you said you will steal from us? Not smart...
We will join i we will be sure that no one in the organization will steal from us.
to Africa:
Leave 26 empty we have nothing more to add. Your aggresive attitude against Rome is more than enough to bring us into this diplomacy.
to France:
We have what to talk about... Come to AIM the second you can.
to the World:
Most likly Carthage won't accept us to AFTA and because of of that we declear the Free Europian Market to be openned in Rome.
This economies alliance is ONLY for Europian countries.
Any country in this alliance must open it's trades open with all other members. None members are not realy cared about...
You can be in both AFTA and the Free Europian Market. Also the Market will not be subjected from wars! 2 countries that are at war are welcome to not trade, but being in Free Europian Market will make them understand that from others are not allowed to theif!
Unlike AFTA, Free Europian Market will also help member countries that money was stealed from by other members by rejecting those members and declearing embargoes. If it's becoming too much also war is a method to save trade.
Other than that any country who wish to send marcents to Rome befor joining the Free Europian Market otherwise their money most likly will be stealed from this turn forward.
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
To Rome
From Austria
We are sorry that you feel this way. We will try our best to regain your trust. For now, we will send you a caravan this turn, that is payment. Go ahead and steal it.
From Austrai
To AFTA
more specificaly to Turkey and Africa.
We were under the impression that turkey and africa were part of AFTA. if that is the case, then a member of afta has stolen a caravan from us. of the 3 we sent to the two nations, only 2 came back.
[ooc]as the mod, i know who did it, (hence hte in the update), but as austria, i'll pretend i dont.[/ooc]
From Austria
We are sorry that you feel this way. We will try our best to regain your trust. For now, we will send you a caravan this turn, that is payment. Go ahead and steal it.
From Austrai
To AFTA
more specificaly to Turkey and Africa.
We were under the impression that turkey and africa were part of AFTA. if that is the case, then a member of afta has stolen a caravan from us. of the 3 we sent to the two nations, only 2 came back.
[ooc]as the mod, i know who did it, (hence hte
in the update), but as austria, i'll pretend i dont.[/ooc]Well, only Russia, France, Austria, and Africa have publically declared themselves members of AFTA. But it should still be useful to know who can be trusted.
Let's do the math, and see if we can figure out who stole from Austria.
Africa started with $20, built 2 fleets=6, 2 towns=4, 1 army=2, 1 base=3, total 15. That left $5 for trade. If none of that was stolen, that would be $10 coming back from trade. We can see from the GM's post that Africa earns $10 from income on board. Upkeep would be 5 units, so $5. So if Africa didn't save any money, didn't steal anything, and didn't get anything stolen, Africa would have $10+$10-$5=$15, which is what Africa has. Looks good for an honest Africa.
Now let's look at Turkey. Turkey started with $11, built 1 army for $2, 1 military base for $3. That would leave $6 to trade, which would double to $12 if nothing was stolen. We can see from the GM's post that Turkey earns $6 on the board. Turkey also has 3 armies, for $3 upkeep. So if Turkey stole nothing, saved nothing, and got nothing stolen, Turkey would have $12+$6-$3=$15. In fact, Turkey seems to have $17. So it actually looks like Turkey got $2 from stealing from others.
But wait, let's see if Austria is telling the truth. Austria started with $5, built 1 army for $2, and traded $3. If Austria is telling the truth, and $1 was stolen, only $4 trade should have come back. Austria earns $9 on the board, has 3 armies for $3 upkeep, so should have $4+$9-$3=$10. Which Austria has. So yes, it also does look like an honest Austria has been robbed for $1.
(Of course that doesn't explain where Turkey got the other $1.
)
Turkey, can you explain where your funds came from?
Let's do the math, and see if we can figure out who stole from Austria.
Africa started with $20, built 2 fleets=6, 2 towns=4, 1 army=2, 1 base=3, total 15. That left $5 for trade. If none of that was stolen, that would be $10 coming back from trade. We can see from the GM's post that Africa earns $10 from income on board. Upkeep would be 5 units, so $5. So if Africa didn't save any money, didn't steal anything, and didn't get anything stolen, Africa would have $10+$10-$5=$15, which is what Africa has. Looks good for an honest Africa.
Now let's look at Turkey. Turkey started with $11, built 1 army for $2, 1 military base for $3. That would leave $6 to trade, which would double to $12 if nothing was stolen. We can see from the GM's post that Turkey earns $6 on the board. Turkey also has 3 armies, for $3 upkeep. So if Turkey stole nothing, saved nothing, and got nothing stolen, Turkey would have $12+$6-$3=$15. In fact, Turkey seems to have $17. So it actually looks like Turkey got $2 from stealing from others.
But wait, let's see if Austria is telling the truth. Austria started with $5, built 1 army for $2, and traded $3. If Austria is telling the truth, and $1 was stolen, only $4 trade should have come back. Austria earns $9 on the board, has 3 armies for $3 upkeep, so should have $4+$9-$3=$10. Which Austria has. So yes, it also does look like an honest Austria has been robbed for $1.
(Of course that doesn't explain where Turkey got the other $1.
)Turkey, can you explain where your funds came from?
