Rnes5: To Trust a Thief. Board NES
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Whew, so much to write!
1. AFTA: as far as I see it, the following have publically announced membership: Africa, Austria, France, Norway, Russia, UK.
In other words, the following aren't in it: Germany, Rome, Spain, Turkey.
Remember, this doesn't mean we can't have good relations or even trade with non-AFTA people. Just that trade with them is done "at your own risk" - they haven't guaranteed publically they won't steal from all AFTA members.
1A. Let's confirm about Austria though - Austria, are you still a believer in AFTA, after losing $1 in trade? Do you agree with my math detective work?
1B. It looks like 2 AFTA members - Russia and Norway - may be ... umm ... how shall I say this ... close to hostilities should diplomacy fail. Yeah, that's it.
We obviously can't expect them to observe free trade with each other, while fighting each other on the battlefield. So let's make this exception - if you are at war with an AFTA member, or clearly close to war with an AFTA member, you are not obliged to trade with them. You still have to observe free trade with all other AFTA members.
So, in this case, Russia and Norway can't expect free trade with each other, but each should still expect free trade with Africa, France, UK, and (if Austria is still in AFTA), Austria.
Sounds good? Makes sense?
2. Roddy: do Austria and Spain "know" they're NPCs? In other words, do they automatically support each other, trade with each other, get offended if the other one is attacked, that sort of thing?
2A. Do they ever attack? In other words, if you leave your border with one of them open, is it safe? Can we make a defensive alliance with one of them - "you'll attack my enemy if I am attacked"? Can we make an offensive alliance with one of them - "lets you and me go conquer Bob"?
3. Rome: I'd like to take you up on your offer to mutually build up 26 to a city, and share the costs and the profits. Each turn you'll pay half rounded down.
So, turn 1 (this turn), we'll build a town. That costs $2, you'll pay $1.
Turn 2, (next turn) we'll build a military base. That costs $3, you'll still only pay $1.
Turn 3, we'll build a city. That costs $5, you'll pay $2.
After that, turns 4 and forever, from the $3 the city brings in, you'll get $2 each turn, I'll keep $1.
Agreed? If so, this essentially means you wouldn't get your $1 this turn and next turn, since they'll be your contribution to the town and military base, and in 2 turns, you'll actually have to send me $1 as the other $1 of your contribution to the city. But after that, you will be making $2 per turn.
If not, then I will send you $1 each turn, as we agreed, and anything I build will be at my expense, but at my benefit.
1. AFTA: as far as I see it, the following have publically announced membership: Africa, Austria, France, Norway, Russia, UK.
In other words, the following aren't in it: Germany, Rome, Spain, Turkey.
Remember, this doesn't mean we can't have good relations or even trade with non-AFTA people. Just that trade with them is done "at your own risk" - they haven't guaranteed publically they won't steal from all AFTA members.
1A. Let's confirm about Austria though - Austria, are you still a believer in AFTA, after losing $1 in trade? Do you agree with my math detective work?
1B. It looks like 2 AFTA members - Russia and Norway - may be ... umm ... how shall I say this ... close to hostilities should diplomacy fail. Yeah, that's it.
We obviously can't expect them to observe free trade with each other, while fighting each other on the battlefield. So let's make this exception - if you are at war with an AFTA member, or clearly close to war with an AFTA member, you are not obliged to trade with them. You still have to observe free trade with all other AFTA members.So, in this case, Russia and Norway can't expect free trade with each other, but each should still expect free trade with Africa, France, UK, and (if Austria is still in AFTA), Austria.
Sounds good? Makes sense?
2. Roddy: do Austria and Spain "know" they're NPCs? In other words, do they automatically support each other, trade with each other, get offended if the other one is attacked, that sort of thing?
2A. Do they ever attack? In other words, if you leave your border with one of them open, is it safe? Can we make a defensive alliance with one of them - "you'll attack my enemy if I am attacked"? Can we make an offensive alliance with one of them - "lets you and me go conquer Bob"?
3. Rome: I'd like to take you up on your offer to mutually build up 26 to a city, and share the costs and the profits. Each turn you'll pay half rounded down.
So, turn 1 (this turn), we'll build a town. That costs $2, you'll pay $1.
Turn 2, (next turn) we'll build a military base. That costs $3, you'll still only pay $1.
Turn 3, we'll build a city. That costs $5, you'll pay $2.
After that, turns 4 and forever, from the $3 the city brings in, you'll get $2 each turn, I'll keep $1.
Agreed? If so, this essentially means you wouldn't get your $1 this turn and next turn, since they'll be your contribution to the town and military base, and in 2 turns, you'll actually have to send me $1 as the other $1 of your contribution to the city. But after that, you will be making $2 per turn.
If not, then I will send you $1 each turn, as we agreed, and anything I build will be at my expense, but at my benefit.
erez87
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to Carthage:
Instead of us paying 1 gold for town, you won't send us the 1 gold you promised to
In the next turn Miliatery base lower economy from the area and it only helps you... so again instead of reciveing 1 economy you will use it for the Miliatery base.
in turn 3 We will try to pay the 1 gold very hard.
And we agree to us getting you and you 1. and Our 2 gold must never be used in wars (onyl trade in the next turn...)
Agreed?
Sending orders
Gonna be a builder I guss...
Instead of us paying 1 gold for town, you won't send us the 1 gold you promised to
In the next turn Miliatery base lower economy from the area and it only helps you... so again instead of reciveing 1 economy you will use it for the Miliatery base.
in turn 3 We will try to pay the 1 gold very hard.
And we agree to us getting you and you 1. and Our 2 gold must never be used in wars (onyl trade in the next turn...)
Agreed?
Sending orders
Gonna be a builder I guss...
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
From Norway
To Russia
Yes, there is a reason. See my PM.
To Russia
Yes, there is a reason. See my PM.
Jason The King
Deity
Roooodddyyyy....
tossi
Der kleine Prinz
RoooOOooOooOoody we want an update!
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
start a chant why dont you. yeeessh. i dont check in for a weekend and people start with the whining and the screaming.
anyway.....
to do the update i'm still missing a single set of orders. if i dont get em in a couple hours, i'll do the update without them. i've told the person i need orders from on aim, twice (once friday or saturday and now), didnt get a reply either time though.
anyway.....
to do the update i'm still missing a single set of orders. if i dont get em in a couple hours, i'll do the update without them. i've told the person i need orders from on aim, twice (once friday or saturday and now), didnt get a reply either time though.
Jason The King
Deity
And where were you young man?
Gladinia
Well, who else
Anyway, I've sent in orders now !!
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RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
well, nice. got orders from everyone. a few small questions, but thankfully, everyone they were for was on Aim (or the answers turned out not to matter anyway).
i get the feeling a couple of you forgot to do something that you meant to ( ie there's a lot of white space up north, lol).
Battles:
Territory 60 - Turkey 6 vs Russia 0
The Russians seemed to expect this massive attack at a different location, and they paid for their miscalculation. The commanders of the massive invasion force were unable to prevent their soldiers from burning down the Russian village. (ps, they never would be, lol, but i like putting that in there)
econ:
Country - Gold to spend .... Size (how much others can send to them)
Britain - 43 Gold to spend Size = 9
France - 10 Gold to spend Size = 12
Spain - 17 Gold to spend Size = 11
Africa - 31 Gold to spend Size = 17
Rome - 11 Gold to spend Size = 15
Turkey - 10 Gold to spend Size = 12
Russia - 22 Gold to spend Size = 12
Norway - 42 Gold to spend Size = 12
Germany - 19 Gold to spend Size = 14
Austria - 25 Gold to spend Size = 13
i get the feeling a couple of you forgot to do something that you meant to ( ie there's a lot of white space up north, lol).
Battles:
Territory 60 - Turkey 6 vs Russia 0
The Russians seemed to expect this massive attack at a different location, and they paid for their miscalculation. The commanders of the massive invasion force were unable to prevent their soldiers from burning down the Russian village. (ps, they never would be, lol, but i like putting that in there)
econ:
Country - Gold to spend .... Size (how much others can send to them)
Britain - 43 Gold to spend Size = 9
France - 10 Gold to spend Size = 12
Spain - 17 Gold to spend Size = 11
Africa - 31 Gold to spend Size = 17
Rome - 11 Gold to spend Size = 15
Turkey - 10 Gold to spend Size = 12
Russia - 22 Gold to spend Size = 12
Norway - 42 Gold to spend Size = 12
Germany - 19 Gold to spend Size = 14
Austria - 25 Gold to spend Size = 13
Jason The King
Deity
dont worry, roddy, we are doing diplo by PM and AIM!
Some may ask, why is there a fearless liberation force on board ship in I? Why are these gallant African men (and camels) ready to cross over into a different continent, and brave slings and arrows (or is it bullets? what century are we supposed to be in, anyway?) to face down a ruthless foe? We can answer. We must answer.
* Because British Intelligence believes that Spain has been buying weapons of mass destruction in Chad. Or China. Somewhere else.
* Because the people of Spain have suffered long enough from the tyranny of a ruthless dictator.
* Because he has invaded a peaceful neighboring country (France).
* Because he has broken treaties (with France and Rome) with complete disregard for the will of the United Nations
* Because he has left the game without telling anyone for some time, causeing us all grief and anguish
* Because running the country in addition to his other strenuous gamemastering duties is no doubt a burden for Roddy, and we must all cooperate to take this burden off his shoulders
* Because we must, or goodness shall perish from the earth.
Thank you,
Hannibal
(BTW, that was a Declaration of War somewhere in there. Just wanted to keep things legit.)
* Because British Intelligence believes that Spain has been buying weapons of mass destruction in Chad. Or China. Somewhere else.
* Because the people of Spain have suffered long enough from the tyranny of a ruthless dictator.
* Because he has invaded a peaceful neighboring country (France).
* Because he has broken treaties (with France and Rome) with complete disregard for the will of the United Nations
* Because he has left the game without telling anyone for some time, causeing us all grief and anguish
* Because running the country in addition to his other strenuous gamemastering duties is no doubt a burden for Roddy, and we must all cooperate to take this burden off his shoulders
* Because we must, or goodness shall perish from the earth.
Thank you,
Hannibal
(BTW, that was a Declaration of War somewhere in there.
Just wanted to keep things legit.)
tossi
Der kleine Prinz
Russia´s Orders pmed.
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
Yeah I forgot to colonize Iceland...
From Norway
To Britian
Hands off Iceland!
From Norway
To Britian
Hands off Iceland!
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
Norwegian orders PM'ed.
Boy is the diplo taking a long time, I'm glad I'm more or less out of it.
Boy is the diplo taking a long time, I'm glad I'm more or less out of it.
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
Hah! That's what the nation with 42 gold says to that. Hah!
I have 1 border, with Russia, which has been peaceful so far. I have an agreement with Germany that we'll both stay on our own side of the sea.
Take a good look at Britain instead, 43 gold, and no more bordering territories to invade... where will they turn?
I have 1 border, with Russia, which has been peaceful so far. I have an agreement with Germany that we'll both stay on our own side of the sea.
Take a good look at Britain instead, 43 gold, and no more bordering territories to invade... where will they turn?
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
i'm missing italy's and germany's orders.
900 miles from home now, so my inernet access is spotty at best.
hopefully will check in tomorow, but not sure (promises to be a busy day), on the road all of monday (driving back) so no update then. hopefully tuesday will be quite at work and i'll do it early tuesday.
900 miles from home now, so my inernet access is spotty at best.
hopefully will check in tomorow, but not sure (promises to be a busy day), on the road all of monday (driving back) so no update then. hopefully tuesday will be quite at work and i'll do it early tuesday.
