Rnes5: To Trust a Thief. Board NES
- Thread starter RoddyVR
- Start date
Jason The King
Deity
To Spain
From France
Allow our occupation of province 13, and we shall have peace. You cannot win this war in offensive mode, our resources are too evenly matched. Its your call.
From France
Allow our occupation of province 13, and we shall have peace. You cannot win this war in offensive mode, our resources are too evenly matched. Its your call.
Jason The King
Deity
I dunno where pontiuth is doing...I saw him browsing the forums, but he didnt do anything here. maybe he has given up? Roddy, I think you should answer for Spain now.
Jason
Jason
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
yep, got official notice now. Pointiuth is out. so anyone know anyone that's interested in taking over Austria or Spain?
but for now:
From Spain
To France
We have no choice but to agree to your offer. Our government has had a change of personel and we now feel that a war is not in the best interest of the Spanish people. We will try our hand at peacefull expansion to the south for now.
but for now:
From Spain
To France
We have no choice but to agree to your offer. Our government has had a change of personel and we now feel that a war is not in the best interest of the Spanish people. We will try our hand at peacefull expansion to the south for now.
To Rome:
Look, Caesar. I can't just back down just because you tell me to, otherwise you or someone else will just ask for something else next, exactly the same way. For example, isn't Spain going to say exactly the same thing about the Balearics (70)?
But I don't want war, and hopefully neither do you. Neither you nor I are going to be able to gain anything from it. We each earn about the same (you're up $2 now, but we'll be even next turn). Therefore, due to the "ships are really slow in this game" problem, I'm not going to be able to convoy enough troops over to take over Italy, the fact you can build right on it and I can't guarantees that. However, due to the "what a lot of coastline you have" problem that you've got, I'm going to be able to continually harass you for the duration of the war, by invading whatever province you don't have 3 armies continually sitting in, every turn, meanwhile destroying the towns and such you spend so much money building up. In fact, I'll have to do that, all the time, since that will be the only way I will be able to slow you down from building fleets to take back 26. So neither one of us is going to enjoy this war. We're just going to spend lots of money on troops and rebuilding destroyed towns that we could instead spend on trade or building cities; and eventually we're going to come to a peace that's going to be basically the same terms we can reach now, except that we'll have lost many turns and much treasury.
So can't we stop it before it starts? We'll have plenty of better wars to be in later, don't worry - wars that we can actually win. But this one has "long drawn-out useless conflict" written all over it. Let's make peace.
For example, you're not going to even be able to take 26 for at least 3 turns. You will need to build a fleet, move an army on the fleet, then land the army in 26. So for at least 3 turns, you'll have a war for ... nothing. And that fleet will cost you $3 to build, then $1 per turn to support, and the army will cost you $1 per turn to support. So for those 3 turns, you will be spending $3 + ($2 support * 3 turns) = $9! Are you sure you want that? Just for $1 from the province, that only starts 3 turns from now?
I mean, I need to do that, I can't get anywhere without fleets, I'm on a different continent. But you've got plenty of places you can just walk to - Austria, France, Spain, Germany are right next to you.
Here, let's make a deal. Instead, if you accept that I will be taking 26. and promise not to build any fleets in J, K, or L (bordering on my territories), I will pay you $1 per turn. Each turn. It will be almost as good as owning 26 yourself - you won't be able to build a town or city, but those would cost money too, and take even more time. So instead of being down $9, making nothing for 3 turns, and being in an expensive and useless war, you will start making money next turn, and forever. (Agree this turn, I'll start paying you next turn once I see you didn't build a fleet this turn, and so forth.)
I can't offer more than $1 per turn, since otherwise I won't be earning anything from 26. (I'm still going to take a loss on it the first few turns, since I have to maintain that fleet, the army, etc. It'll take time for me to build up 26 and disband my units.)
In exchange, I can promise not to land any troops in Italy, and to stay out of K. Maybe we can even negotiate something to let you build fleets in J or L if you really need them for a war with Spain, or Austria, or Turkey or whoever. But for now you don't. right? So that will cost you nothing, and you will just have that income.
Please respond at least a day before Roddy has to execute moves, or I won't have time to change my orders.
Hannibal
Look, Caesar. I can't just back down just because you tell me to, otherwise you or someone else will just ask for something else next, exactly the same way. For example, isn't Spain going to say exactly the same thing about the Balearics (70)?
But I don't want war, and hopefully neither do you. Neither you nor I are going to be able to gain anything from it. We each earn about the same (you're up $2 now, but we'll be even next turn). Therefore, due to the "ships are really slow in this game" problem, I'm not going to be able to convoy enough troops over to take over Italy, the fact you can build right on it and I can't guarantees that. However, due to the "what a lot of coastline you have" problem that you've got, I'm going to be able to continually harass you for the duration of the war, by invading whatever province you don't have 3 armies continually sitting in, every turn, meanwhile destroying the towns and such you spend so much money building up. In fact, I'll have to do that, all the time, since that will be the only way I will be able to slow you down from building fleets to take back 26. So neither one of us is going to enjoy this war. We're just going to spend lots of money on troops and rebuilding destroyed towns that we could instead spend on trade or building cities; and eventually we're going to come to a peace that's going to be basically the same terms we can reach now, except that we'll have lost many turns and much treasury.
So can't we stop it before it starts? We'll have plenty of better wars to be in later, don't worry - wars that we can actually win. But this one has "long drawn-out useless conflict" written all over it. Let's make peace.
For example, you're not going to even be able to take 26 for at least 3 turns. You will need to build a fleet, move an army on the fleet, then land the army in 26. So for at least 3 turns, you'll have a war for ... nothing. And that fleet will cost you $3 to build, then $1 per turn to support, and the army will cost you $1 per turn to support. So for those 3 turns, you will be spending $3 + ($2 support * 3 turns) = $9! Are you sure you want that? Just for $1 from the province, that only starts 3 turns from now?
I mean, I need to do that, I can't get anywhere without fleets, I'm on a different continent. But you've got plenty of places you can just walk to - Austria, France, Spain, Germany are right next to you.
Here, let's make a deal. Instead, if you accept that I will be taking 26. and promise not to build any fleets in J, K, or L (bordering on my territories), I will pay you $1 per turn. Each turn. It will be almost as good as owning 26 yourself - you won't be able to build a town or city, but those would cost money too, and take even more time. So instead of being down $9, making nothing for 3 turns, and being in an expensive and useless war, you will start making money next turn, and forever. (Agree this turn, I'll start paying you next turn once I see you didn't build a fleet this turn, and so forth.)
I can't offer more than $1 per turn, since otherwise I won't be earning anything from 26. (I'm still going to take a loss on it the first few turns, since I have to maintain that fleet, the army, etc. It'll take time for me to build up 26 and disband my units.)
In exchange, I can promise not to land any troops in Italy, and to stay out of K. Maybe we can even negotiate something to let you build fleets in J or L if you really need them for a war with Spain, or Austria, or Turkey or whoever. But for now you don't. right? So that will cost you nothing, and you will just have that income.
Please respond at least a day before Roddy has to execute moves, or I won't have time to change my orders.
Hannibal
Jason The King
Deity
To Africa
From France
We applaud your efforts for peace.
To Rome
From France
We implore you to really consider Africa's deal, it is a quite good one, and you will be getting something for nothing - who wouldn't want that?
From France
We applaud your efforts for peace.
To Rome
From France
We implore you to really consider Africa's deal, it is a quite good one, and you will be getting something for nothing - who wouldn't want that?
erez87
Lord of Random
- Joined
- May 16, 2002
- Messages
- 13,500
to Africa:
We agree with you taking 26 and paying us from NEXT turn 1g each turn. (you can't this cause you still no getting money this turn for the area...)
But we will build fleets if we want to... And it does seems like you want us to go to war with one of our neighbors to the north... France, Spain, Austria... after all your telling us to go there...
But we agree to the payment, we might even join you in paying for a town and maybe a City later and we both could share the economy over the island...
We agree with you taking 26 and paying us from NEXT turn 1g each turn. (you can't this cause you still no getting money this turn for the area...)
But we will build fleets if we want to... And it does seems like you want us to go to war with one of our neighbors to the north... France, Spain, Austria... after all your telling us to go there...
But we agree to the payment, we might even join you in paying for a town and maybe a City later and we both could share the economy over the island...
OK, Caesar, we have a deal.
You can build fleets if you want to, but I hope you can see why I would worry about 26 if I saw a fleet and armies show up in J or K - or why I would worry even more if I saw them show up in L! If you talk to me first, and explain why you need to do that without me having to worry about losing provinces suddenly, I'll keep paying you.
I don't as much want you to go to war, as notice ... you sort of tend to do that, without any help.
For example, we've had, what, 4 turns, and you just fought 2 turns of war with Austria, robbed UK of a full turn's income, and have come darn close to declaring war on Spain, not to mention me. You have to admit, that's pretty good for 4 turns! But I'm not trying to push you to war with other people. If you are actually not at war with either Austria or Spain, and want to stay at peace, more power to you.
Thanks for the shared town/city investment offer, it is a good idea, and we may well do that in a few turns.
Finally, thank you King Jason of France for the mediation, it is much appreciated.
You can build fleets if you want to, but I hope you can see why I would worry about 26 if I saw a fleet and armies show up in J or K - or why I would worry even more if I saw them show up in L! If you talk to me first, and explain why you need to do that without me having to worry about losing provinces suddenly, I'll keep paying you.
I don't as much want you to go to war, as notice ... you sort of tend to do that, without any help.
For example, we've had, what, 4 turns, and you just fought 2 turns of war with Austria, robbed UK of a full turn's income, and have come darn close to declaring war on Spain, not to mention me. You have to admit, that's pretty good for 4 turns! But I'm not trying to push you to war with other people. If you are actually not at war with either Austria or Spain, and want to stay at peace, more power to you.Thanks for the shared town/city investment offer, it is a good idea, and we may well do that in a few turns.
Finally, thank you King Jason of France for the mediation, it is much appreciated.
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
ok, i have a few orders, but not enough for an update.
still need orders for:
Norway
Germany
Africa
and ofcourse Austria and Spain are now NPCs that anyone who wants em can take.
hopefully i get those orders today and can do the update today or tommorow (just realized i dont know how to spell tomorow)
still need orders for:
Norway
Germany
Africa
and ofcourse Austria and Spain are now NPCs that anyone who wants em can take.
hopefully i get those orders today and can do the update today or tommorow (just realized i dont know how to spell tomorow)
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
PM'ing orders now...
Oh, and Norway is a member of the AFTA, I think we said it earlier.
Oh, and Norway is a member of the AFTA, I think we said it earlier.
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
ok, well, prety much done with the update. there were acouple problems though with some ordres.
two of you wanted to build cities on empty provinces for 5 gold. that's a
. for it to cost 5 gold you have to already have a military base there. if you're building it on empty space (or on a town) its 15 gold (engeneered city).
remember, i dont read the orders till i start doing the update, so i wont catch mistakes like these or typos or anything
Country - Gold to spend ....... size (max trade you can send them)
Britain - 28 ... 7
France - 13 ... 11
Spain - 14 ... 9
Africa - 27 ... 12
Rome - 12 ... 10
Turkey - 13 ... 7
Russia - 22 ... 14
Norway - 25 ... 11
Germany - 21 ... 11
Austria - 18 ... 13
two of you wanted to build cities on empty provinces for 5 gold. that's a
. for it to cost 5 gold you have to already have a military base there. if you're building it on empty space (or on a town) its 15 gold (engeneered city).remember, i dont read the orders till i start doing the update, so i wont catch mistakes like these or typos or anything
Country - Gold to spend ....... size (max trade you can send them)
Britain - 28 ... 7
France - 13 ... 11
Spain - 14 ... 9
Africa - 27 ... 12
Rome - 12 ... 10
Turkey - 13 ... 7
Russia - 22 ... 14
Norway - 25 ... 11
Germany - 21 ... 11
Austria - 18 ... 13
Jason The King
Deity
To Germany
From France
We suggest to enact a DMZ within the provinces of 35, and 10. The exception is we can put armies when there is a threat from the sea.
From France
We suggest to enact a DMZ within the provinces of 35, and 10. The exception is we can put armies when there is a threat from the sea.
tossi
Der kleine Prinz
Roddy, sorry for my orders. I mixed citys with towns. But in the end you did exactly what i wanted to do 
.
From: Russia
To: Turkey
Any reason for massing an massive army in 55?
To: Norway
Any reason to mass a massive army in 66?
.From: Russia
To: Turkey
Any reason for massing an massive army in 55?
To: Norway
Any reason to mass a massive army in 66?
Jason The King
Deity
Roddy, I didn't get a PM, but I guess I can do without one.
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
jason, i sent the pm same as to everyone. it still shows as "unread" in my CP. i forwarded it againn (its called Fw: Re: New French Orders)
hope you get it this time.
From Austria
To Turkey
What is it with the massive army in 55? this makes us VERY nerveous. If you attack us, be warned, we will fight you to the very last man.
hope you get it this time.
From Austria
To Turkey
What is it with the massive army in 55? this makes us VERY nerveous. If you attack us, be warned, we will fight you to the very last man.
Jason The King
Deity
ok roddy, I did not notice it the first time because i get many re: French Orders, or re: Burgundy Orders etc from stjnes5. My bad 
.
Orders on the morrow. How about an answer to my diplo in the mean time?
. Orders on the morrow. How about an answer to my diplo in the mean time?
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
OK, who's in the AFTA? Is this list correct:
Africa
Norway
France
Austria
?
Africa
Norway
France
Austria
?
