Rod1- Something Enjoyable

[Rodent]

Well , Commando is Up. And I would like to inform you guys that I am taking break from Civfanatics from 14th August till 19th September, Because I have Exams.

Sorry to Desert you guys, but RL comes first.

 

[TheOverseer714]

We'll keep things going, though as a 2 man show it may be a bit slow. You may be back before we get very much farther.

 

[CommandoBob]

We'll keep things going, though as a 2 man show it may be a bit slow. You may be back before we get very much farther.

Ain't that the truth! A 2 man show, with each man invovled in several other SGs!

 

[CommandoBob]

Got most of the turns played; will finish tomorrow night (Monday).

 

[CommandoBob]

[Preflight]
Monarchy
30% Tax
40% Science
30% Luxury

406 gold, +14 gpt

Theology in 6 turns.

03 Settler
26 Workers
18 Slaves
07 Warriors
01 Archer
06 Spear
01 Swords
03 Pikes
12 Muskets
05 catapult
01 Cannon
08 Galley
05 Armies
24 Beserk
12 Maces
19 Trebuchets

Current Units: 133
Allowed Units: 94
Support Costs: 39 gpt

01 Horse connected.
01 Iron connected.
01 Saltpeter connected.
02 Furs

Wines are near Utica.

Cycle through the cities.

Fire the geek in Twofer Town, vMace in 3 not 4.
Hire a geek in Champion City to prevent riots.
Clown -> geek in Nice Brown City.
Fire the geek in Sugar Choke.
Fire the geek in Hooray!, vMace in 2 not 3.
Fire the geek in Morning Mood by Grieg, city begins to grow again.
Clown -> geek in Middleton.
Clown -> geek in Lake Havasu.
Fire the geek in Whaling Station.
Fire the clown in Rusaddir, former Carthage city begins to grow with Vikings.
Fire the geek in Reeky Fish.

Hit Enter.

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[IBT]
We lose a redlined Mace to Maya (0 of 1).

Sugar Hill vBeserk -> vBeserk in 8.
madsville vMace -> vMace in 8.
Monster Hill vMusket -> vMusket in 12.

1 1255 AD

We need the Wines of Utica, the current capital of Carhtage.
2nd Beserks, far up in the north near the city of Furs, heads south.
Hubba I swats a Purple Pike on the way to Utica (1 of 2).
We retreat a Mayan Knight (2 of 3).

Turns move by 5 years now.
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[IBT]
Purple Longbow takes out a wounded Beserk (2 of 4).

Nice Brown City vMace -> vMace in 7.
Hooray! vMace -> vMace in 10.
Bus Stop vBeserk -> vBeserk in 12.
Thunderfall Hills aqueduct -> vMace in 6 (fire geek for growth in 20).

2 1260 AD

We skewer an Iroquois settler pair, gaining two more slaves (3 of 5).
Between Coba and Cadiz we dispatch or retreat 7 Mayan/Iroquois units (10 of 12).
Two more infractions in the area promote 2 Beserks to Elite (12 of 14).
We try to sink an Ottoman galley but don't (12 of 15).
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[IBT]
Bergen vBeserk -> vBeserk in 8.
Twofer Town vMace -> vMace in 10.
Thermals cannon -> vMusket in 12.
Denver settler -> settler in 30.

3 1265 AD

In Cadiz, on the front lines, upgrade 4 Trebuchets to Cannons for 120 gold.
Mayan Knight and Crusader meet their maker and we move units onto the hill 2NE of Coba (14 of 17).
Removing two Mayan Knights and Longbow near Cadiz cost us one Mace (17 of 21).
The hills between Cadiz and Coba are now defended by Vikings.

Three Armies are in place to assault Utica next turn.

Inwaaer I is sheparding 9 slaves back to our lines.

Whaling Station and Reeky Fish both hire geeks.
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[IBT]
Win one, lose one to Longbows (18 of 23).

Trondheim vBerserk -> vBeserk in 4.
Lake Havasu vMace -> vMace in 20.

4 1270 AD

We find 3 Numidan Mercenaries in Utica, but they are removed by our Armies (21 of 26).


Good News

We keep the city since it is connected to Wines.

A Purple Longbow promotes a Mace to Elite (22 of 27).
Inwaaer I encounters an Iroquois Pike and Mace protecting a settler. They die (24 of 29).

Upgrade 6 Trebuchets to Cannon for 180 gold.

Out to our west, we annihilate a curious Iroquois Longbow (25 of 30).

We upgrade 5 more Trebuchets to cannon for 150 gold; now at 0 gold, + 9 gpt.
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[IBT]
We lose 2 and win 1 defending the hill NE of Coba from Mayan Knights (26 of 33).

Middleton vMace -> vMace in 8.
Hilltop Beaches cannon -> vBeserk in 14.

Resistance ends in Utica.

Two Wines are now connected to Trondheim. Much rejoicing.

5 1275 AD

Drop science to 0%, Theology in 1, +85 gpt.
Drop happy slider from 30% to 20%, only Trondhiem is cranky, +107 gpt.
Hire a geek in Trondheim.

Hubba I eradicates a Longbow (27 of 34).
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[IBT]
We learn Theology, start to learn Education in 21.

6 1280 AD

We have vacated 3 of the 4 hills between Cadiz and Coba, keeping the Musket Army NE of Coba. Coba is the bait.

Mayan units, 4 Knights and 2 Muskets, moved onto the other 3 hills. We have 16 cannons ready to greet them.

Two Knights and one Musket of Maya buy farmland the hard way (30 of 37).

We build Gap Closer between Oka and Utica to protect our Wine Route.

Inwaaer I hacks a Purple Longbow and Musket (32 of 39).

Increase science to 40%, Educaction in 8 turns, +35 gpt.
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[IBT]
We retreat a Mayan Knight (33 of 40).
Redlined Mayan Knight capture some slaves, which I did not expect (wounded inside our lines, I expected it to retreat into neutral land).

I was here: worker -> worker in 10.
Sugar Choke cannon -> cannon in 40.
Cadiz worker -> cannon in 40.
ICS Style vBeserk -> vBeserk in 12.
Fishing Town vMusket -> vMusket in 12.

7 1285 AD

Slave caputring Mayan Knight is slaughtered (34 of 41).
We unhorse 2 more Mayan Knights (36 of 43).
2nd Berserks mangles 2 Purple units (38 of 45).
Hubba I heads off to the Furs to deal with the two cities of Carthage around our Furs.
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[IBT]
We lose a worker and a Beserk on the IBT (38 of 46).

Trondheim vBseserk -> vBeserk in 4.
Its cold in here vBeserk -> vBeserk in 8.
Coba worker -> worker in 10.
Thundefall Hill vMace -> vMace in 6.
Oka worker -> wealth.

Palace Expansion. We add a second story.

Save game; Rod01_AD_1290_Begin.SAV .

8 1290 AD

Skeet Shoot is built on the eastern most hill between Cadiz and Coba, leaving any attackers in flat land.
Redline the Crusader and Musket from Maya, then gut the Musket with an eBeserk (39 of 47).
Play Hack-The-Mace with a Purple unit, we win (40 of 48).

Upgrade 3 Trebuchets to cannon for 120 gold; leaving only one trebucet and 5 catapults to upgrade/disband.

Inwaaer I decimates a Musket in Salamanca, but is reduced to 5/18 (41 or 49).
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[IBT]
Inwaaer I runs away from a Longbow (41 of 50).

Nice Brown City vMace -> market in 15.
Sugar Hill vBeserk -> library in 9.
madsville vMace -> vMace in 8.
Whaling Station settler -> settler in 30.

9 1295 AD

Upgrade the last Trebuchet for 30 gold.

Hubba I slices and dices the 2 Numidian Mercanries in Sabratha (43 of 52).

Good News

And we rescue our captured worker.

2nd Beserks demolishes 2 Pikes in Tonawnda (45 of 54).

Around Skeet Shoot we redline 4 Mayans and then kill them (47 of 56).
We unravel a Longbow from Carthage near I was here (48 of 57).

Hire a geek in Bergen.
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[IBT]
We lose 2 units to Mayan Knights (48 of 59).

Gold Mine vBeserk -> vBeserk in 12.

10 1300 AD

Inwaaer I, at 1/18, arrives in Utica to heal.
Hubba I, 12/18, moves adjacent to Cirta (1) of Carthage, their last city north of Furs and I was here.

2nd Beserks impales the Spear defending Tonawanda (49 of 60).

Good News

I would like to keep the city, but it is rather isolated and has no resources that we need. We raze it instead and gain 7 more slaves (some surrendered earlier).

Hire a geek in Utica so that the worker in produces in a few turns will be a slave.

Build Neils Bohr 2N of Oka.

Mace beats Spear in Caughnawana, on the West Coast (50 of 61).

It will cost 300 gold to upgrade our 5 catapults to cannons. We have 23 cannon at the moment. Send the five catapults towards what remains of Carthage, where they can whack Numidian Mercanies better than Muskets.
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[IBT]

 

[CommandoBob]

I did not do a final cycle through the cities. None are cranky, but some may need to be fine tuned.

Pending Attacks
Caughnawana (2) on the west coast: Mace and Musket, Beserk in Wild Wild West is on the way to help. I expected only one defender in the city.
Ganges (2) down south of Tyendenaga: Musket next to the city just to observe, not really ready to attack.
Cirta (1) on the tundra north of Furs: Hubba I is ready to attack next turn. Have a Mace coming to help, if needed. Hubba I is 12/18, but should be able to take out 2 Numidian Mercanaries. There were two defenders in Sabratha.
Theveste (3) is facing 2 Beserks and 1st Muskets. The Army is there to protect the Beserks from counterattack. Two Beserks facing two Numidian Mercanaries is sort of chancey, but it was the best attack force we had at the moment.

Pending Counterattacks
2nd Beserks is at 12/18 and guarding 7 slaves. It might face some angry Iroquois on the IBT.
Cadiz-Skeet Shoot-Coba is a very active area. This is closest we are to the Maya so this where they attack. Visible is one wounded Knight. The only gap in the area is the hill between Coba and Skeet Shoot and only a Knight can get to it in one turn. Normally we've kept a Erik Bloodaxe's Musket Army on that tile, but I used it help defend an exposed eBeserk. However, Skeet Shoot has 7 cannons, Cadiz has 7 cannons and the hill where that Army is currently has 8 cannons. Any knight trying to get to Coba will soon be redlined and dead.

Skeet Shoot Area 1300 AD

Spoiler :

This is that area currently.

Workers/Slaves
In our interior, most of our good land is as developed as it can be until we get rails. I have small stacks of workers building roads on hills and mountains for later resources.
On the front lines we are changing mines to irrigation and roading/irrigating as we go.

The Sugar at Sugar Choke has been irrigated.

Tech
After we learn Education we need five techs to leave the Middle Ages: Astronomy -> Physics -> Theory of Gravity/Magnetism and Banking. I think Banking should be next and then we follow Astronomy to Theory of Gravity and then get Magnetism. Having better boats doesn't do us much good until we subdue this continent.

We can adjust the tech slider for faster research. I kept it a bit low so we could upgrade our trebuchets to cannons and that is now done.

Whackin' Thinkin'
Carthage has 5 cities. We can see 4 of them; the largest is size 3, Thevete.
Iroquois have 10 cities. We can see 7 of them; the largest is Muach Chunk at 9.
Mayans have 16 cities. We can see 9 of them; the largest ones are on the east coast and are size 9.

Our culture is better than either Carthage or Iroquois but is vastly outranked by Mayan culture.

Only the Mayans have been regulary sending multiple units our direction each turn.

Obviously, Maya is the strongest civ we face on our land.

I'm thinking/pondering the wisdom of saving the Maya for last. First, we take out Carthage, then focus on Iroquois. This gives us a lot of green land for science farms. I envison using Skeet Shot as the pivot point of our forces. Maya attacks at Skeet Shoot, we attack elsewhere using Skeet Shoot as bait for Maya. Not sure if this is the best way to go, but thought I would offer it up for discussion.

 

[darski]

Boy youse guys are doing a great job. Excellent work so far!

 

[Rodent]

I am thinking this game will take a Lot of time, In a Situation like this without Cavalry, Will be Tough.

 

[TheOverseer714]

At least Berserks have the same attack as Cavalry, if not the speed. If we had rails, that would be less of an issue, but right now our research rate is very slow. We need to ICS the tundra areas for more support and clear some grassy areas for specialist farms to get a better research rate. Otherwise, just need to get the Iroquois and Carthage extinctified so we can take down the Maya before they get Rifles. If they get them, our pain will be radically worse. It may be the weekend before I get to this, I still have SGFN-05 turns to finish and a set in TT-01 to do before I can take the save.

 

[CommandoBob]

In hindsight, our excursion in India did not help us at all. Those units mostly survived attacks and killed the wounded but did not conquer very much territory. Nice idea, but it just didn't work out.

More Notes
I looked around for another luxury for us to capture but did not find one. The Mayas have one luxury at least (but I can't remember what it is). With two luxuries we have some leeway in how we garrison our cities. More would be better, of course, but we will have to do some fogbusting first.

We may want to consider rushing some settler builds to boost our science. I set some cities to Wealth so that they could grow and support geeks. We've got a pretty good number of workers and slaves. Most of the wetlands are gone and they are running out of serious things to do, which is why I have some roading mountains and hills. Until we learn Steam Power there isn't a lot for them to. But we do need to build more cities that can become geek-farms. We'll need Infantry and Artillery to take out Rifles without spilling a lot of Viking blood.

 

[darski]

I'm just curious about the iron situation. I noticed that the Carthaginians had some Iron on our continent but I didn't see any more. Was there more iron and did anyone ever see Iron on the other continent. When I played there were no swords in play but that could have changed without my seeing it.

That really was one of the worst maps I have seen for all resources.

 

[TheOverseer714]

The Ottoman have Iron, as do the Iroquois, Maya and Carthage. It's just that we lacked Iron. We also have saltpeter and horses, so it is luxury resources that are absent in our neck of the woods. Maybe after all is said and done, we'll find other shortages.

 

[Rodent]

I have to Disagree with Commando, Our Excursion in India was helpful cause it crippled a Rival, A fight with Carthage (only visible civ at the time) would be painful with Swords

 

[TheOverseer714]

I am preparing to play later today, hurray! Hopefully I can continue our progress.

 

[TheOverseer714]

Yay, I'm finally done with this turn-set. Good news, kinda, Carthage is off our radar and zero threat for now. Bad news, they are still alive somewere. Good news, the Iroquois will be in the same position at the end of CBobs next turnset. They are pretty well thrashed, so we can start planning the Mayas demise. Here is the turnlog:

Spoiler :

Pre-Flight: CivAssist 2, Word running. Open the save, look things over.

Civilian units:
Settlers 2
Workers 30
Slaves 27

Military units:
Warriors 7
Archers 1
Spearmen 5
Swordsmen 1
Pikemen 3
Muskets 14
Catapults 5
Cannons 23
Berserks 29
MDIs 17
Armies 4, 2 Musket, 3 Berserk
Galleys 7
Unit Support:
Total Units: 149
Allowed Units: 104
Support Cost: 45 gpt

Press enter=>

IBT: 1 Mayan Knight at Coba, 1 Carthage Longbow at Utica.
Bergen Berserk=>Berserk.
Morning Mood Cannon=>Cannon

Turn 1, 1305 AD: Redline Maya vKnight, attack with an eMDI and we get a leader! Leif Eriksson will be made into an army.
Lose a healthy vBerserk to the Carthage vLongbow. RnG gods revenge?
Kill 2 rNMs with Hubba 1, Girta destroyed.
Lose 3 hp from 1st Muskets killing him, since there were no units nearby.
Upgrade 2 Catapults to Cannons.

IBT: Maya send in a couple Knights toward Skeet Shoot. A few Iroquois MDIs moving in. See some Ottoman and Korean Galleys nosing around.
Trondheim Berserk=>Berserk.
Hooray! MDI=>MDI.

Turn 2, 1310 AD:At Skeet Shoot, lose an MDI and Berserk, damage 2 others and only retreat the damn Knights. I guess attacking there is a bad idea.
Battle of Caughnawaga: eBerserk wins vs rSpear, -2hp.

IBT: 3 more Mayan Knights, 2 Crusaders and a Musket incoming. Several Iroquois MDIs also. A Babylonian Galley shows up near Coba.
Twofer Town MDI=>MDI.
Sugar Choke riots on growth.
Cadiz riots due to loss of mp.
Desertland Berserk=>Berserk.
Middleton MDI=>MDI.
Monster Hill Musket=> Musket.

Turn 3, 1315 AD: Battle of Chondote: redline a vPike and rMusket.
vBerserk wins vs vPike, -1hp, promotes.
eBerserk wins vs rMusket clean.
*eMDI(Leif Eriksson) wins vs 3hp eMDI clean, Chondote raze nets 2 slaves.
Battle of Theveste: Inwaear wins vs rNM, -6 hp
Inwaear wins vs rNM, -1 hp.
vBerserk wins vs rNM, -1 hp, promotes, Theveste raze nets 1 slave.
Lower tech slider to 20%, Education in 1 turn at +69 gpt.
Load 4 vet berserks into new army.
Redline and kill a Musket with an eBerserk, finding 2 veteran Iro MDIs. Dumb!

IBT: 2 Iro MDIs kill musket covering eBerserk. 2 Maya Knights attack Cadiz and Skeet Shoot, 1 dies, 1 retreats.
Education arrives, next is Astronomy in 10 turns at +33gpt.
Utica Worker=>Settler.
Bus Stop Berserk=>Berserk.
Thunderfall Hills MDI=>Berserk.

Turn 4, 1320 AD: Lose a vWarrior on a Carthage rLongbow(more dumb).
1st Battle of Nora: vBerserk loses vs eNM.
vBerserk wins vs rNM clean.
Workers working, troops moving.

IBT: Lose the eBerserk anyway to an Iro Longbow out of the fog.
Skeet Shoot gets a Mayan Crusader, Musket and Longbow.
Musket dies in the jungle.
Thermals Musket=>MDI.
Hilltop Beaches riots, I keep forgetting mps need adjusted for.
Desert Support Settler=>Worker.

Turn 5, 1325AD: eBerserk kills LB near Nora.
1st Battle of Oea: 2nd Berserks wins vs rNM, -2hp.
2nd Berserks wins vs rNM, -1hp.
vBerserk kills Longbow outside of the city there.

IBT: Mayan Longbow dies at Skeet Shoot. 4 Knights arrive.
Iroquois MDI enters our land near Gap Closer.
Trondheim Berserk=>Berserk.
Champion City Courthouse=>MDI.
Gap Closer Worker=> Settler.
Spamalot Settler=>Settler.
Its Cold in here Berserk=>Berserk.
Gold Mine 2 Settler=>Settler.

Turn 6, 1330 AD: Redline and kill an Iroquois rMDI and vMDI.
Yellow and kill 2 Mayan vKnights, retreat 1.
2nd Battle of Oea: 2nd Berserks wins vs rNM, -1hp.
See something I really don’t like; an Iroquois Knight.
Settle Bodes Well near Utica.

IBT: Berserks survive a barbarian warrior and an Iroquois Knight.
A Mayan Knight, Musket, and Crusader arrive at Skeet Shoot, 1 more of each in the pipe.
Ottomans land an MDI at ICS style.
Madsville MDI=>MDI.
ICS Style Musket=>MDI.

Turn 7, 1335 AD: The Ottoman MDI disappeared! Someone over there isn’t minding the budget.
Kill the redlined Iroquois Knight.
Kill barb warrior guarding camp for 25 gold, with a promotion.
Kill intruding Maya Musket near Utica with Inwaear, no hp lost.
Kill Maya Musket near Skeet Shoot with Berserk who promotes.
Kill Maya Knght near Skeet Shoot with Berserk.
Battle of Grand River: eBerserk kills redlined vMusket(glad I brought cannons)
Berserk army kills redlined rPike and Grand River falls, 1 trebuchet and 3 slaves taken. Kill a redlined Longbow nearby for good measure.

IBT: ICS style gets a mighty Spear landing.
Iroquois have some PPs coming in, 2 Muskets.
A Mayan Knight, Musket, and Crusader arrive at Skeet Shoot.
Sugar Hill Library=>Marketplace.
Hilltop Beaches Berserk=> Berserk.
Wild Wild West Settler=>Settler.
Coba Worker=>Wealth.

Turn 8, 1340 AD: At Skeet Shoot: Kill redlined Maya Knight with eBerserk clean. Kill 2hp Musket with eBerserk clean.
Kill an Iroquois spettler with Hubba 1 clean for free slaves.
Kill Ottoman spear clean with vBerserk
2nd Battle of Nora, kill eNM with vBerserk, -1hp, promotes.
Kill rNM with eBerserk, -4hp, Nora destroyed.
1st Battle of Leptis Major: 2nd Berserks kill rNM, -1hp
2nd Berserks kill rNM, -1hp.

IBT: 2 Mayan Knights at Skeet Shoot.
2 Iroquois Muskets hanging around, but not in our territory yet.
Another barb warrior shows.
Bergen Berserk=> Berserk.
Fishing Town Musket=> Musket.
Fish in the Desert Settler=>Settler.

Turn 9, 1345 AD: 1st Battle of Leptis Major: 2nd Berserks kill rNM, -1hp
and Leptis Major destroyed, but the Carthaginians have another city somewhere.
Kill redlined Knight at Skeet Shoot.

IBT: Korea lands a Sword at ICS Style.
The 2 Iroquois Muskets finally enter our lands.
A Mayan Knight and Musket arrive at Skeet Shoot
Barbarian horse out of the north beside unoccupied .
Trondheim Berserk=>Berserk.
Bergen riots.
Breeders Anonymous MDI=>MDI.
St Regis Cannon=>Wealth.
Rusicade riots.

Turn 10, 1350 AD: Battle of Grand River: Inwaear kills lone rSpear, Grand River falls, 4 slaves taken in raze, Iroquois are Horseless.
Redline and kill both Iroquois Muskets with Berserk and MDI, both clean.
Redline and kill Mayan Musket with eBerserk clean.
Kill the Korean vSword with vBerserk, -1hp.
Settle Karas Joke north of Utica.

Civilian units:
Settlers 5
Workers 32
Slaves 40

Military units:
Warriors 6
Archers 1
Spearmen 5
Swordsmen 1
Pikemen 2
Muskets 17
Catapults 5
Cannons 30
Berserks 34
MDIs 22
Armies 6, 2 Musket, 4 Berserk
Galleys 7
Unit Support:
Total Units: 168
Allowed Units: 110
Support Cost: 58 gpt

One picture:

Spoiler :

The save:

 

[Rodent]

I just Have to Post or you Guys will never pick this up

CB is up

 

[vmxa]

I have to Disagree with Commando, Our Excursion in India was helpful cause it crippled a Rival, A fight with Carthage (only visible civ at the time) would be painful with Swords

Lurker:

What makes you say they were crippled? The poor performance on research is just because they are poor at it. When you finally arrive they will be pretty much were they would have been anyway.

In the mean time the units sent over there slowed down your expansion on your continent. resources were spent on boats that you never really needed.

I grant you that it probably does not matter, but it could in a tougher game. The consensus of locking in your land first came about out of trial and error, not capriciousness.

 

[Rodent]

Excuse me, What makes you think we would have even a Remote Chance of giving any pain to Carthage with our Swords?

AFAIK, we got leaders out of that Excursion as well. We Cant do anything on our Landmass until we had removed Carthage and an Idea of How much Attrition that would lead to is Terrifying.

Granted, The Indian Excursion was almost Useless, But We would have had a Pathetic Chance against Carthage At that point

 

[TheOverseer714]

I think CBob is having trouble finding a way to play right now, so it may be some time before he can take it. As far as India goes, we did kind of lose some time there rather than icing the Maya and Iroquois sooner, but that's water under the bridge. Progress is occurring now and that is what matters.

 

[CommandoBob]

I did get my turnset played on Monday, but my handoff notes are rather weak at the moment.

Good News: Iroquois have only one visible city.
Bad News: Maya have Cavalry.

I'll post the save, turnlog and notes as soon as I can.