Romanian Gypsy World's Youngest Grandmother at 23

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Gypsy wife becomes world's youngest grandmother... at 23

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 11:58 AM on 8th March 2011
She gave birth at 12 to daughter who fell pregnant at 11
She says marrying young is 'tradition' in Romanian gypsy circles

A gypsy wife has become the world's youngest grandmother - aged just 23.

Rifca Stanescu, from the village of Investi, Romania, told how she gave birth to her daughter, Maria, while only 12.

Despite her mother's pleas to stay in school, Maria gave birth to son Ion at the age of 11.


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Happy family: Rifca Stanescu, left, now 25, gave birth to daughter maria aged just 12. Maria then bore Ion, now two, right, at the age of 11

Rifca, now 25, told the Sun: 'I am happy to be a grandmother but I wished something else for Maria - and something else for me.

'Ion is a good boy - and he is already engaged to a girl aged 8. Boys are always good to have - they don't have to suffer as much girls I think.'

Born in 1985, Rifca defied her family's wishes and ran away with jewellery seller Ionel Stanescu when she was 11 and he was 13.


A year after they were married, Rifca fell pregnant with Maria.

She said: 'I wanted to marry him, so I agreed, and of course after we had spent the night together then there was no way anyone could separate us. I had been promised to another boy's family since I was two years old but I didn't want that.'

In gypsy culture virginity is greatly prized and women are married young so that new husband's can be sure their new wives are virgins who affect a good dowry from the families of prospective husbands. Loss of virginity means a deal is cancelled.


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Close knit: Rifca with husband Ionel and grandson Ion

She added: 'Before that there was a lot of fighting - once my father had even attacked my husband with a knife. He wanted him to pay 500,000 lei in compensation. My family even took me home but after three days I ran away again to be with him.'

After Maria's birth, Ionel's family paid Rifca's father a dowry and all was settled.

Maria's birth made Rifca's mother a grandmother aged 40.

Rifca said she begged daughter Maria to stay in school and finish her education.

Maria decided to follow in her footsteps and marry herself. Within six months she too had fallen pregnant with Ion.

She told how in Romanian gypsy community it is common for couples to marry young.

Rifca added: 'I did not try to stop my daughter getting married because this is the tradition, it's what happens.'

The youngest British grandmother was an unnamed 26-year-old from Rotherham, Yorkshire whose 12-year-old daughter gave birth in 1999.

Hmm, well I hope for the best for the family, although popping out a kid every decade or so is probably not the best way of doing it.
 
The world's youngest mother was some 6-year old Peruvian girl, though there are rumors of a 5 year old Indian girl.

Your thread's title is not the same as newstory subject!


You fixed it now, or I am going crazy. Anyway I think these incredibly young marriages are creepy.
 
What the bloody hell, really.

This... is just sick.

Never mind irresponsible.

That lady is the oldest looking 25 year old I've seen.

Needs to look the part doesn't she? :p
 
Does the world not understand that the word "gypsy" is a terrible pejorative to Roma people? I'd expect that kind of racist callousness from members of this community, but from the European press? The whole thing is a smear against Roma more than anything.
 
gypsy, noun; a member of a traveling people with dark skin and hair who speak Romany and traditionally live by seasonal work, itinerant trade, and fortune-telling. Gypsies are now found mostly in Europe, parts of North Africa, and North America, but are believed to have originated in the Indian subcontinent.

How is this a terrible pejorative again?
 
I find the claim hard to believe -- that 23 is the youngest I mean. If we want to think about it or not, girls going into puberty at 8 isn't that uncommon, and 5-6 isn't unheard of.

gypsy, noun; a member of a traveling people with dark skin and hair who speak Romany and traditionally live by seasonal work, itinerant trade, and fortune-telling. Gypsies are now found mostly in Europe, parts of North Africa, and North America, but are believed to have originated in the Indian subcontinent.

How is this a terrible pejorative again?

How is negro a pejorative?
 
Does the world not understand that the word "gypsy" is a terrible pejorative to Roma people? I'd expect that kind of racist callousness from members of this community, but from the European press? The whole thing is a smear against Roma more than anything.
What should we call them, the non-productive class?
 
I find the claim hard to believe -- that 23 is the youngest I mean. If we want to think about it or not, girls going into puberty at 8 isn't that uncommon, and 5-6 isn't unheard of.



How is negro a pejorative?

Negro is an archaic term, but it isn't a pejorative.
 
Negro is the Spanish word for black.
 
Alright, head over to Oakland and test it out for yourself.

I doubt too many people would object. they'd think you are old and out of date, but it's not like using the real n word.

As for these gypsies, maybe if they stopped having babies at 11 years old they wouldn't have this stigma associated with them.
 
I'm sure I read a few years ago about a girl who was supposedly a grandmother at 16 or so
It was in a Book of Facts, so it's probably not true.

All I remember that she was African, so [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers#Youngest_grandmothers]Mum-Zi[/url] (seriously?) from Nigeria, it must be
 
Does the world not understand that the word "gypsy" is a terrible pejorative to Roma people? I'd expect that kind of racist callousness from members of this community, but from the European press? The whole thing is a smear against Roma more than anything.

Wikipedia said:
The English term Gypsy (or Gipsy) originates from the Greek word for "Egyptian", Αιγύπτιοι (Aigyptioi, whence modern Greek γύφτοι gifti), in the belief that the Romanies, or some other Gypsy groups (such as the Balkan Egyptians), originated in Egypt, and in one narrative were exiled as punishment for allegedly harbouring the infant Jesus.[27] This exonym is sometimes written with capital letter, to show that it designates an ethnic group.[28] The term 'gypsy' appears when international research programmes, documents and policies on the community are referred to. However, as a term 'gypsy' is considered derogatory by many members of the Roma community because of negative and stereotypical associations with the term.[29]

As described in Victor Hugo's novel The Hunchback of Notre Dame, the mediaeval French referred to the Romanies as egyptiens. The term has come to bear pejorative connotations. The word Gypsy in English has become so pervasive that many Romani organizations use it in their own organizational names.

In North America, the word gypsy is commonly used as a reference to lifestyle[30] or fashion, and not to the Romani ethnicity. The Spanish term gitano and the French term gitan may have the same origin as a reference to Egypt.[31]

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

Also technically Roma are only a subgroup of the Romani people (the term "gypsy" refers to Romani people).
 
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