Trajan12
Deity
Killing hundreds of thousands of people to satisfy his genocidal blood lust, what a saint.
Saddam Hussein Hanged
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Killing hundreds of thousands of people to satisfy his genocidal blood lust, what a saint.
greekguy
Missed the Boat
How can you say RIP to a man that ordered the killings of thousands....
Because Saddam gloriously fought back against the evil American Empire.
Don't know if anyone is interested, but a snippet from a Yahoo IM message from my brother, currently stationed in Iraq.
"...Not much is different here.
Saddam's hanging hasn't changed anything around here. I haven't really
heard of any trouble caused by his hanging..."
"...Not much is different here.
Saddam's hanging hasn't changed anything around here. I haven't really
heard of any trouble caused by his hanging..."
Iraq is more like a game of chess than a RTS.
The reaction will be slow, and over time. It is the way the underground works. Nobody is going to brazenly join a movement, that is too scary, but a lot more were just enraged, and will begin to try and seek channels to vent that rage.
The reaction will be slow, and over time. It is the way the underground works. Nobody is going to brazenly join a movement, that is too scary, but a lot more were just enraged, and will begin to try and seek channels to vent that rage.
PersianBoy
Prince
This is not Fair.
we selected our president as other republic countries selected thier president
Ahmadi nejad has a hard competetion with Rafsanjani who lose the election
I suggest that you change your viewpoint and don't look anyone who is not supported by US as a Dictator or monarsh
spammikone
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Sometimes I'm happy I live in the culturally and humanistically evolved part of the world. Simple minded ones always lack understandment and are bit behind on development but it is just matter of time when capital punishment is abolished from whole world.
PrinceOfLeigh
Wigan, England
This Thread is too far gone for me to read through and join in the debate. All I would say is that I agree with 'Prezza' who said that the manner of Saddam's hanging was "deplorable". Having seen the leaked copy of the hanging (though not the hanging itself) it's quite clear that there was a baying mob of people screaming at Saddam at the time of his death.
Don't get me wrong, I understand why those people are angry and Saddam perhaps deserves his fate. But I feel that we (ie the West) and those we associate with (ie the Iraqi Government) should be held to higher standards. Saddam should have been hung with dignity. Not dignity for him, dignity from ourselves.
Don't get me wrong, I understand why those people are angry and Saddam perhaps deserves his fate. But I feel that we (ie the West) and those we associate with (ie the Iraqi Government) should be held to higher standards. Saddam should have been hung with dignity. Not dignity for him, dignity from ourselves.
AL_DA_GREAT
amour absinthe révolution
Killing hundreds of thousands of people to satisfy his genocidal blood lust, what a saint.
So G w Bush death should also be celebrated?
George Bush hasn't personally ordered for the killing of thousands of citizens, let alone 100. I can't say 1 because of the Death Penalty in Texas.
Governors do not order executions. Judges do. Governors have the power to pardon them, just like they have the power to pardon in many other circumstances. However, governors don't order people executed anymore than they sentence people to jail.
innonimatu
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Actually Saddams death at this time was
appropriate. The possibility of transforming Iraq in a viable modern nation, if it ever existed, died when Saddam fell for the American trap that led to the second gulf war in 1990-91. It is only fitting that the iraqi ruler that tried earnestly (poor Iraq!) to create a modern nation out of the post-colonial patchwork that was Iraq should die at a time when even the scant little he achieved unravels.
It says a lot about how ridiculous the idea of preserving a iraqi state is, that Saddam tried all standard techniques from the cookbook of nation building - forge a national identity by wiping out traditional society (the swamp arabs, the kurds, turcomans, etc.), forcing cultural normalization of the country (around his own set of ideas, typical tyrant) , importing ideologies (arab nationalism mixed with Marxism or capitalism whenever convenient) , creating the idea of external enemies menacing the nation (Iran), embarking on expansionist wars (Kuwait), etc and failed utterly. He was incompetent as a leader (besides the bloodthirsty tyrant thing, but he did managed to keep himself in power that way for a long time), but he probably was also attempting the impossible.
As for the trial and execution the irony of convicting someone for violation of human rights, while violating human rights to do so! Namely, No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. of course, this is the 1948 version, modified from the 1789 original with the introduction of the convenient term international law, necessary to justify, ex post facto, the Nuremberg trials. The current Iraqi government could have spared the mock trial and just killed him because he was inconvenient and revenge was in order. Everybody would understands the motives anyway.
It says a lot about how ridiculous the idea of preserving a iraqi state is, that Saddam tried all standard techniques from the cookbook of nation building - forge a national identity by wiping out traditional society (the swamp arabs, the kurds, turcomans, etc.), forcing cultural normalization of the country (around his own set of ideas, typical tyrant) , importing ideologies (arab nationalism mixed with Marxism or capitalism whenever convenient) , creating the idea of external enemies menacing the nation (Iran), embarking on expansionist wars (Kuwait), etc and failed utterly. He was incompetent as a leader (besides the bloodthirsty tyrant thing, but he did managed to keep himself in power that way for a long time), but he probably was also attempting the impossible.
As for the trial and execution the irony of convicting someone for violation of human rights, while violating human rights to do so! Namely, No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. of course, this is the 1948 version, modified from the 1789 original with the introduction of the convenient term international law, necessary to justify, ex post facto, the Nuremberg trials. The current Iraqi government could have spared the mock trial and just killed him because he was inconvenient and revenge was in order. Everybody would understands the motives anyway.
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