[RD] Sanctuary Cities

[Zkribbler]

Trump's executive order seeking to defund sanctuary cities has been declared to be unconstitutional.

https://www.scribd.com/document/346...urce=impactradius&medium=affiliate#from_embed

 

[Lexicus]

No surprise there, eh @Owen Glyndwr ?

 

[Broken_Erika]

Expect a new Twitter rant soon.

 

[JollyRoger]

The Judge was just keeping with Trump's stated position that the Feds shouldn't meddle so much with state and local governments.

 

[Synobun]

Moderator Action: I'd recommend elaborating on this a little in the OP, @Zkribbler, so that this thread doesn't get locked due to low content replies. Other members are of course welcome to start a viable discussion in this thread should it be applicable.

 

[sophie]

No surprise there, eh @Owen Glyndwr ?

Looks like when challenged, the Federal Government had to acknowledge that they basically didn't have the legal authority to do any of what they said.

 

[Berzerker]

who are the lawyers advising Trump on his orders?

or maybe Trump doesn't care, so he gets his orders trumped... so what? He's trying and that matters to much of his base who dont care about the constitution

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Before this goes too far I'd like to mention that the entire concept of "sanctuary cities" is absurd. They are just places where the local authorities have recognized that having their local law enforcement agencies trying to do the job of federal immigration enforcement is counter productive to getting their own job done, and said so. The term "sanctuary city" was coined as a pejorative by idiots who don't understand the law in the first place, as demonstrated by their regular rants about how "if these city/state/county authorities don't follow the law they should be jailed." Trying to explain to these clowns that there is no law saying anything like what you seem to think there is is almost always a hopeless situation, because a fellow idiot yelling "sanctuary city bad" is all they need to consider their position bolstered in the face of all facts.

So I object to the casual use of this term of no actual meaning and routine pejorative usage in the thread title.

 

[Ajidica]

Before this goes too far I'd like to mention that the entire concept of "sanctuary cities" is absurd. They are just places where the local authorities have recognized that having their local law enforcement agencies trying to do the job of federal immigration enforcement is counter productive to getting their own job done, and said so. The term "sanctuary city" was coined as a pejorative by idiots who don't understand the law in the first place, as demonstrated by their regular rants about how "if these city/state/county authorities don't follow the law they should be jailed." Trying to explain to these clowns that there is no law saying anything like what you seem to think there is is almost always a hopeless situation, because a fellow idiot yelling "sanctuary city bad" is all they need to consider their position bolstered in the face of all facts.

So I object to the casual use of this term of no actual meaning and routine pejorative usage in the thread title.

Basically this. It has been made very clear through statutes and prior rulings that immigration is a federal responsibility, not a state responsibility.

 

[warpus]

Trump just says stuff he thinks his voter base want to hear. It might or might not have any bearing on reality.

 

[onejayhawk]

Trump just says stuff he thinks his voter base want to hear. It might or might not have any bearing on reality.

That just makes him a politician. Nothing unusual.

It will be interesting to see how high this kite flies. With nine Justices, this might be heard later in the year.

J

 

[warpus]

That just makes him a politician. Nothing unusual.

It will be interesting to see how high this kite flies. With nine Justices, this might be heard later in the year.

J

Not really, most politicians have some sort of tact. Trump's mouth is the opposite of that, it's like the anus of a creature that's constantly got diarrhea. His voter base seems to eat it up so he keeps doing it. He has no boundaries.

 

[caketastydelish]

Sanctuary cities are badass and Trump's worst nightmare.

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[Valka D'Ur]

Considering the number of orders he issues that get overturned, it's almost like watching Stephen Harper lose time after time on the basis of unconstitutional legislation and Charter challenges.

Thank goodness we don't have to put up with that anymore (although I'm looking forward to seeing someone go after the federal government over the assisted dying bill).

 

[JollyRoger]

That just makes him a politician. Nothing unusual.

It will be interesting to see how high this kite flies. With nine Justices, this might be heard later in the year.

J

Considering that Scalia and Roberts have written opinions that go against such tactics that Trump is employing, I don't see how he wins there. The precedents are pretty clear.

 

[Kyriakos]

Is it at all possible, within the current frame of the US constitution, to delegate immigration rulings/systems to states themselves?

Re the term "sanctuary cities", though, it does sound like something out of a japanese rpg. Those were the places where you could save ^^

 

[Ryika]

So for somebody who doesn't know much about the topic and just wants a quick rundown: What's the TL : DR on sanctuary cities, what Trump wanted to do, and why it failed?

 

[Lexicus]

Considering that Scalia and Roberts have written opinions that go against such tactics that Trump is employing, I don't see how he wins there. The precedents are pretty clear.

You forgot that the only consistent principle Republicans ever defend is the political advantage of Republicans.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So for somebody who doesn't know much about the topic and just wants a quick rundown: What's the TL : DR on sanctuary cities, what Trump wanted to do, and why it failed?

"Sanctuary cities" is a term used to condemn cities that have publicized giving directives to their law enforcement to actively avoid asking people about citizenship. For example, if a woman calls and says she is in a domestic abuse situation she doesn't have to worry that the responding cop will start asking about her citizenship so she ends up deported instead of protected. This means local law enforcement gets a lot more cooperation in terms of witnesses and reporting of crimes.

Federal law says that local law enforcement must report any undocumented person they know about to the feds. By not asking they don't know, so they have nothing to report. This means that they are not violating any federal law, which leads to screaming and gnashing their teeth. Trump has made a couple attempts at punishment of what he calls sanctuary cities, but has failed because they are not committing any actual crime.

 

[JollyRoger]

In the Scalia case, the Feds couldn't commandeer state and local law enforcement issues to enforce Federal gun laws. In the big ACA case, Roberts shot down the Medicaid expansion because it forced the states to choose between complying with the Medicaid expansion or lose Federal funding. Trump should lose this in the Supreme Court given he now has 5 conservatives on the bench.