scion's palace mana mechanic

[Smakemupagus]

playing 8.3

Can you ever get more than 1 palace mana as the Scions? I thought I read something in the 'pedia that implies that the Thaumaturge's Keep gets you a 2nd and 3rd mana type, but it doesn't seem to be happening. Are there tech prereqs or something too?

Thanks

 

[Tarquelne]

Can you ever get more than 1 palace mana as the Scions?

IIRC there's a game option that puts a second and third mana in place. What I may be remembering is just looking at an AI Scion palace with the "extra AI mana" option on.

I thought I read something in the 'pedia that implies that the Thaumaturge's Keep gets you a 2nd and 3rd mana type, but it doesn't seem to be happening. Are there tech prereqs or something too?

That 'pedia entry needs to be updated - that's how it works in Fall Further.

In WM the Keep has the chance to randomly give Arcane units both first and second level mana-sphere promotions. There's also a chance to make a unit Enraged. IIRC the chance is 3% per turn for each.

Hmm... I just discovered how the Place Ruins mechanic works. I'm tempted to try re-jiggering the Keep so that it's more like FF, but keeping and expanding the random effects. I like the idea of the Keep giving Water mana, then exploding and damaging the city after which it gives no mana until later, say, all the Adepts with >2 xps go mad and it starts giving Entropy mana.

 

[Smakemupagus]

cool, thanks for response

 

[Tarquelne]

I'm experimenting with limiting mages and adepts (in both # and perhaps spell casting) to a civ's available mana. Which means the Scions need those 2 extra mana. Convenient that I'd already considered how to do that...

Here's the code in case anyone's interested. It can be added to Scions.py, with the Keep-creation spell xml pointing to it as as "PyResult".

Spoiler :

def spellBuildKeep(caster):
	pPlayer = gc.getPlayer(caster.getOwner())
	pPlot = caster.plot()
	pCity = caster.plot().getPlotCity()
	
	iChance = CyGame().getSorenRandNum(11, "Keep building roll")
	if iChance <= 0:
		iBonus = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_DEATH')
	if iChance == 1:
		iBonus = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_ENTROPY')
	if iChance == 2:
		iBonus = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_EARTH')
	if iChance == 3:
		iBonus = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_AIR')
	if iChance == 4:
		iBonus = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_FIRE')
	if iChance == 5:
		iBonus = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_WATER')
	if iChance == 6:
		iBonus = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_SHADOW')
	if iChance == 7:
		iBonus = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_CHAOS')
	if iChance == 8:
		iBonus = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_BODY')
	if iChance == 9:
		iBonus = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_MIND')
	if iChance == 10:
		iBonus = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_ENCHANTMENT')
	if iChance == 11:
		iBonus = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_METAMAGIC')

	iChance2 = CyGame().getSorenRandNum(11, "Keep building roll")
	if iChance2 <= 0:
		iBonus2 = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_DEATH')
	if iChance2 == 1:
		iBonus2 = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_ENTROPY')
	if iChance2 == 2:
		iBonus2 = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_EARTH')
	if iChance2 == 3:
		iBonus2 = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_AIR')
	if iChance2 == 4:
		iBonus2 = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_FIRE')
	if iChance2 == 5:
		iBonus2 = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_WATER')
	if iChance2 == 6:
		iBonus2 = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_SHADOW')
	if iChance2 == 7:
		iBonus2 = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_CHAOS')
	if iChance2 == 8:
		iBonus2 = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_BODY')
	if iChance2 == 9:
		iBonus2 = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_MIND')
	if iChance2 == 10:
		iBonus2 = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_ENCHANTMENT')
	if iChance2 == 11:
		iBonus2 = gc.getInfoTypeForString('BONUS_MANA_METAMAGIC')
		

	pCity.setNumRealBuilding(gc.getInfoTypeForString('BUILDING_KEEP_MAIN'), 1)			
	pCity.setBuildingBonusChange(gc.getInfoTypeForString('BUILDINGCLASS_KEEP_MAIN'),iBonus,1)
	pCity.setBuildingBonusChange(gc.getInfoTypeForString('BUILDINGCLASS_KEEP_MAIN'),iBonus2,1)

I'm not sure how I'm going to adjust the existing Keep python, if at all.

One the one hand, the above plus the existing python is a boost for the Scions.
OTOH, limiting the # of mages and adepts means that over-producing adepts, to counter-act some getting Enraged and subsequently killed, isn't really an option any more.
But if that's the case maybe I won't allow any adepts to hang around the Keep at all, effectively mooting the special functions. Which is no fun.

 

[esvath]

Is it possible for me to implement the code in onBuildingBuilt? I have a Amurites UB that will grant a random mana. Hmmm... need to try that out.

 

[Sephi]

One the one hand, the above plus the existing python is a boost for the Scions.
OTOH, limiting the # of mages and adepts means that over-producing adepts, to counter-act some getting Enraged and subsequently killed, isn't really an option any more.
But if that's the case maybe I won't allow any adepts to hang around the Keep at all, effectively mooting the special functions. Which is no fun.

I have merged it, but modified it so only 1 bonus mana is added to the keep.

@esvath

unfortunately not if you use a FFH DLL

 

[Tarquelne]

I have merged it, but modified it so only 1 bonus mana is added to the keep.

Neat!

I realized, btw, that with my "Limited Magic" thing I shouldn't need to change your Keep code: Adepts may be more precious, but with nerfing Dispel the randomly assigned spells are more valuable.

 

[esvath]

@esvath

unfortunately not if you use a FFH DLL

Ouch! Which part is not supported by FfH DLL? The pCity.setBuildingBonusChange() part?

 

[Sephi]

yes..

 

[esvath]

Owww... thank you then.

 

[Valkrionn]

Owww... thank you then.

Could always check the way it's done in RifE, which uses the original system; Sub-buildings for the keep.

 

[Smakemupagus]

in this same game, i noticed another discrepancy between 'pedia and Scions mechanics:

i was able to have both Korina the Black, and the Risen Emperor (via the Vacant Mausoleum) as active units at the same time. My civ leaderhead is the Emperor.