SCOTUS Nomination II: I Like Beer

[Synobun]

Previous thread:
Supreme Court of the United States

Current state of affairs: After a hearing that saw both Kavanaugh and Ford give testimony and answer questions from a committee, and then after a questionable yet interesting vote on confirmation, the FBI is currently investigating the claims made by Dr. Ford and will be presenting a report as soon as they've finished their interviews.

This investigation previously had several restrictions set in place by the White House which have now been lifted (or so the story goes). It is currently a waiting game in regards to what will happen next.

Particularly interesting are the assessments of both testimonies by pundits, independents, and others. Most can agree that Kavanaugh is blatantly lying about his past. While this does not mean he is guilty of the crime, it does cast doubt over his credibility and also on his eligibility for holding such an esteemed post for life.

This thread is the place to discuss anything surrounding the Supreme Court of the United States and its nomination debacle.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Here I'm quoting @innonimatu from the end of this thread.

"the friend she says was at the party in question has denied being there or knowing Kavanaugh at all", True of false?

False. She said she didn't recall, which is not the same as denying they exist altogether. This is a misrepresentation of the facts.

"She doesn’t know who invited her to the party, where it took place, how she got there, or how she got home after, by her account, Kavanaugh attacked her." True or false?

True. Also irrelevant. That she doesn't recall those details doesn't mean the entire story is fiction. She is also not evasive with the things she doesn't remember, unlike Kavanaugh.

" She has offered substantially different accounts about when the attack occurred (she’s previously said it happened in the “mid Eighties,” in her “late teens,” and in the “Eighties.”" True or false?

False

"her therapist’s notes conflict with her story of the attack" True or false?

False premise. Differing details between two accounts of events is not the same as a direct, purposeful refutation. Especially so when one side (the therapist) wasn't there for the attack and didn't read her therapist's notes back to Ford to correct.

"she has offered different accounts about who attended the party" True or false?

False

Ford's claims are plainly false.

Because why again? Making a bullet point list doesn't mean you've proven your case. Here you just strung together a bunch of things you think are inconsistencies and that the mere fact that you consider them inconsistent therefore refutes her entire story. That's not logical.

The likeliness of such a claim to sexual assault going back 30 years being false has been my issue with this from moment zero. It just couln't be proven (this is a feature) and came too conveniently on time.

Lol wut. So someone can't be trusted to remember something 3 decades because you say so? And has been pointed out multiple times, the timing of these allegations severely hurt the Democrat's chances of blocking this nomination.

..bunch of sexist rambling I cut...

Assange was done in in that way.

OH so this is what we're really talking about.

 

[Arakhor]

Just for the record, there is no way any incarnation of this thread that I'd started would have done justice to this title.

 

[Berzerker]

"Mark Judge was a friend of ours in HS who developed a very serious drinking problem... an addiction problem... that lasted decades and was very difficult for him to escape from."

Leahy - are you the Bart O'Kavanaugh he's referring to (in his book)?
Kavanaugh - you'd have to ask him

Why wouldn't Bret Kavanaugh know if he was the Bart O'Kavanaugh in his buddy's book?

 

[Zelig]

Maybe he didn't read it? Several people I went to high school with have written books, and I haven't read any of them.

 

[uppi]

Leahy - are you the Bart O'Kavanaugh he's referring to (in his book)?
Kavanaugh - you'd have to ask him

Why wouldn't Bret Kavanaugh know if he was the Bart O'Kavanaugh in his buddy's book?

Technically, that doesn't mean he doesn't know, only that he is not telling.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Maybe he didn't read it? Several people I went to high school with have written books, and I haven't read any of them.

It is credible that he didn't read the book. It is not credible that he doesn't know he is Bart O'Kavanaugh in the book. He was also evasive thorought his hearing as @uppi has pointed out above.

Ford, on the other hand, was candid and direct and not only admitted any lapses in her recollection of that day but went out of her way to point out potentially exculpatory evidence on Brett's behalf.

She had previously stated Brett had pushed her into the room. At the hearing, however, she recanted this and said she doesn't actually recall who pushed her and that therefore he may not have instigated the assault, rather joined it.

 

[sophie]

Maybe he didn't read it? Several people I went to high school with have written books, and I haven't read any of them.

He didn't say he didn't read it though. In fact, he insisted it was a fictitious account (which would imply that he did read it, or at least knew enough about it to comment definitively on its intent), and how actually dare you drag his friend's addiction into this hearing.

 

[Old Hippy]

subscribing
i like beer too...

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I think if I wrote a book and one of the characters was a fictional president named Bozo O'Trump there wouldn't be much doubt about who it was modeled off of.

 

[Synobun]

I think if I wrote a book and one of the characters was a fictional president named Bozo O'Trump there wouldn't be much doubt about who it was modeled off of.

Especially if you were friends with them, and your story was about shared experiences with that person...

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Brett Kavanaugh, the one called the ralph master in his own yearbook? Naw it couldn't be that guy, he has nothing in common with the fictional Bart O'Kavanaugh that ralphed in Mark's car.

 

[sophie]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/su...vanaugh-anxious-come-forward-evidence-n915566

So now we can add a potential obstruction of justice to the accusations of perjury and sexual assault both attempted and perpetrated.

In the days leading up to a public allegation that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh exposed himself to a college classmate, the judge and his team were communicating behind the scenes with friends to refute the claim, according to text messages obtained by NBC News.

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Further, the texts show Kavanaugh may need to be questioned about how far back he anticipated that Ramirez would air allegations against him. Berchem says in her memo that Kavanaugh “and/or” his friends “may have initiated an anticipatory narrative” as early as July to “conceal or discredit” Ramirez.

Kavanaugh told the Senate Judiciary Committee under oath that the first time he heard of Ramirez’s allegation was in the Sept. 23 article in The New Yorker.

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Finally, Berchem is concerned about what she witnessed at the 1997 wedding where Ramirez and Kavanaugh were both in the wedding party.

According to the information Berchem provided, Ramirez tried to avoid Kavanaugh at that wedding of their two friends, Yarasavage and Kevin Genda.

Ramirez, “clung to me” at the wedding, Berchem wrote to Yarasavage in a Sept. 24th text message. “She never went near them,” a reference to Kavanaugh and his friends. Even in the group photo, Berchem wrote, Ramirez was trying to keep away from Kavanaugh.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

What would be really interesting is if a classmate of Kavanaugh's came along and said "hey, I notified my congressman, and senator (both Republicans), that ol ' Black Heart Bart did me in a drunken stupor once too, and no one has ever asked me about it at all. Seems like they delayed more than the Democrats did."

You don't really believe, as the allegations pile up, that everyone involved ended up in a Democrat district in a Democrat state, do you?

 

[GoodSarmatian]

I also like beer.
Still, never raped anyone.
Didn't even try !

Does it even matter ?
I mean, yes it does, but from a purely amoral and legalistic point of view ?

Regardless of what Gangbang Brett did or didn't do decades ago, he still perjured himself.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I also like beer.
Still, never raped anyone.
Didn't even try !

Does it even matter ?
I mean, yes it does, but from a purely amoral and legalistic point of view ?

Regardless of what Gangbang Brett did or didn't do decades ago, he still perjured himself.

Did you ever drink to the point of being what is called "blackout drunk"? If so, can you be absolutely certain you never raped anyone? That's the trap Gangbang Brett is in. He has to lie about the drinking part because that's the only way that his "I didn't" is an effective counter to her "he did." A reasonable observer that wants to believe they are both telling the truth as they see it arrives quite automatically at "he did, and doesn't remember it."

Getting into a bind where you can't use "I don't recall" is a nightmare, and if he weren't such an obvious prig with an almost certain history of thinking he was above all consequences no matter what he did I might even have a sliver of sympathy for that.

 

[Old Hippy]

Did you ever drink to the point of being what is called "blackout drunk"? If so, can you be absolutely certain you never ? .

yes... and I can be sure i never came top of my class and qualified to be nominated to the high court of Australia

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I didn't really like drinking, but I carried a 4.0 GPA while stoned out of my mind pretty consistently, and a friend of mine who was a jock also carried a 4.0 GPA and was higher than I was most of the time, and still was a jock. I was limited in how high a security clearance I could get because I copped to "experimenting" with drugs, but the current blather in the right wing echo chamber that Kavanaugh just must have been a nose to the stone bookworm, why just look at his grades, is nonsense. Unfortunate that you would drag that kind of crap in here and drop it on our rug.

 

[Berzerker]

Dock Ellis said he was on LSD when he threw a no-hitter

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...plains-lady-justice-kavanaugh-piece-1.4844689

Cartoon about Kavanaugh, GOP and Ford

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Did you ever drink to the point of being what is called "blackout drunk"?

Not to my knowledge !

See what I did there? If I was really blackout drunk I wouldn't remember being blackout drunk because of the blackout.
F...rat Boi didn't even have the presence of mind for this exercise in epistemological evasion.

If so, can you be absolutely certain you never raped anyone?

As far as I know !
Actually, yes, I am 100% certain I never raped anyone.

Above all, the dude seems really stupid in his defense. That slang term for a threesome is a drinking game, spicy food makes me puke, do you like beer ?

His "answers" and suspiciously defensive stance should even be disqualifying for someone who didn't almost certainly (try to) rape a girl.