SCOTUS Nomination II: I Like Beer

[onejayhawk]

So what the hell do we do now? I know people like to compare trump to Hitler, but Trump isn't Hitler, and we are not Germany. There are far important issues than even Trump himself right now, like climate change, which he denies and works hard towards accelerating. But he will die in ten or so years, and we will be left to deal with this planet falling apart, aren't we?

Actually, all these people in the White House are almost one step in the grave, so they certainly won't care what happens after they die, but I have my whole life ahead of me, and I don't to live through some kind of apocalypse. I even wonder how far people need to be pushed to take action? Life is still pretty comfortable for many people in the US, and if people aren't staging revolutions in some place like Russia or China, what are the odds that Americans will move their butts to restore democracy and American values?

I will point out that two of the leading Democratic contenders for the Democratic nomination are older than Trump and Warren is almost the same. Even Hickenlooper is 66. Last Thanksgiving it was a gag. Trump smiling as he went through the list of leading Democratic candidates.

J

 

[Arwon]

Laying? Trump supporters have already murdered people in this country, not just once.

I like how he dropped "Soros" there. Just like Kavanaugh dropped "the left", "Clintons", and other dogwhistles that certain demographics find appealing. In the right's lingo, Soros is basically synonymous with the Rothschilds and the global Jewish conspiracy. But hey, he is friends with Israel, so how can he be covertly antisemitic.

Yeah, true. Guess I should specify post election violence

 

[Old Hippy]

what bloodlust? right-wing extremists are literally more dangerous than islamic terrorism in this country. Left militias barely get a footnote on the subject.

Tims argument

You might notice I said "democratic process," not "democracy." Or, you might not notice. It hardly matters, really. What matters is that the GOP abandoned the democratic process, and there isn't really anything to be done about it. Either they will be granted the authoritarian rule they seek, or they will be stopped through some process other than a democratic process...almost certainly involving vast spillage of blood.

someones seems to be into alternate histories with different footnotes than yours ...on who has the bloodlust...

 

[Timsup2nothin]

appropriate for CFCOT..."never bring a knife to a gunfight"
shouting" look at me you fascist racist sexist constitution waving authoritarian ... this is a gun free zone and safe space"
will not do much because the otherside will not be throwing ice cubes this time or crying and waving placards
they like guns ... in case you haven't noticed
just saying.... this is why they have defended their Constitutional rights since the last revolution

I always find this hilarious. Yeah, the legal gun owners talk a big deal...but the people with illegal guns outnumber them by a wide margin and are far more familiar with the use of them against targets that aren't made of paper. If the fur starts to fly my money is on them. Point of fact, someone with a knife who has put a knife between a few ribs in his day is a good bet to walk away with Mr Paper Target's gun as well.

 

[Old Hippy]

I always find this hilarious. Yeah, the legal gun owners talk a big deal...but the people with illegal guns outnumber them by a wide margin and are far more familiar with the use of them against targets that aren't made of paper. If the fur starts to fly my money is on them. Point of fact, someone with a knife who has put a knife between a few ribs in his day is a good bet to walk away with Mr Paper Target's gun as well.

is this the continuation of the alt lefts bloodlust tangent.... or that there are no left wing fascists argument... its always hard to tell

 

[onejayhawk]

No matter how subtle the sorcerer, a knife in the back will seriously cramp his style.
Steven Brust

That said, my friends in law enforcement would disagree with you. Hobbyists tend to be very knowledgeable. However, the single woman with an illegal concealed carry is not. If I understand correctly, both are large groups.

J

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So what the hell do we do now? I know people like to compare trump to Hitler, but Trump isn't Hitler, and we are not Germany. There are far important issues than even Trump himself right now, like climate change, which he denies and works hard towards accelerating. But he will die in ten or so years, and we will be left to deal with this planet falling apart, aren't we?

Actually, all these people in the White House are almost one step in the grave, so they certainly won't care what happens after they die, but I have my whole life ahead of me, and I don't to live through some kind of apocalypse. I even wonder how far people need to be pushed to take action? Life is still pretty comfortable for many people in the US, and if people aren't staging revolutions in some place like Russia or China, what are the odds that Americans will move their butts to restore democracy and American values?

I'm not saying it will be restored. My prediction is that Trump announces the election results can't be certified due to interference. We basically have no laws governing that situation, so executive orders to maintain stability and security will apply. Election boards in Pinhead County aren't going to know what to do, and since election boards are "bipartisan," meaning made up of balancing numbers of the most rabid partisans from each side, there will be a fight in every election board between those who want to certify and those who want to wait for an 'official correction' from the federal government. Eventually the certification deadline will arrive, and the fight over whether to use the corrected or uncorrected numbers will boil over into protests...which will be deemed as threats to the national security. Casualties will occur, inflaming the situation and leading to more casualties. Then the protests will end People identified as having protested will be convicted of crimes that will make them ineligible to vote in the future, and even blue states might be competitive. That will be that.

I'll be in Central America, if anyone is looking for me.

 

[Angst]

Tims argument

someones seems to be into alternate histories with different footnotes than yours ...on who has the bloodlust...

cardgame isn't Tim, Tim's point is entirely anecdotical, and cardgame's data is correct.

https://bsos.umd.edu/featured-content/proportion-terrorist-attacks

In comparison to the 2000s, there was a sharp decline in the proportion of terrorist attacks carried out by left-wing, environmentalist extremists during the first seven years of the 2010s (from 64% to 12%). At the same time, there was a sharp increase in the proportion of attacks carried out by right-wing extremists (from 6% to 35%) and religious extremists (from 9% to 53%) in the United States.

So in regards to cardgame, you're wrong.

On your earlier post (your response that cardgame responded to), eh, dunno. But hey, we could make the premise that you and Tim are both violent extremists representing each end of the spectrum. Here take into consideration that CFC is massively populated by liberals. Proportionally, you're the problem.

But you're showing to be very temperamental and don't spell well, so I don't expect you to listen to data or reason.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That said, my friends in law enforcement would disagree with you. Hobbyists tend to be very knowledgeable. However, the single woman with an illegal concealed carry is not. If I understand correctly, both are large groups.

J

And none of them are familiar with what it feels like to confront human targets. However, there are plenty of people who do carry and are familiar with that...or have you forgotten that the NRA says there is a dangerous brown criminal behind every bush and mailbox?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm not going to touch the post that yother than from this forum (your response that cardgame responded to), we could wager that you and Tim are both violent extremists representing each end of the spectrum. Here take into consideration that CFC is massively populated by liberals. Proportionally, you're the problem.

But you're showing to be very temperamental and don't spell well, so I don't expect you to listen to data or reason.

For the record, I am more of a thug for hire than an extremist.

 

[Broken_Erika]

..or have you forgotten that the NRA says there is a dangerous brown criminal behind every bush and mailbox?

Watch yourself!

 

[Angst]

For the record, I am more of a thug for hire than an extremist.

And for the record, I don't blame you for your post. It was just that if we were to take the posts at face value, he's still the problem.

 

[Old Hippy]

cardgame isn't Tim, Tim's point is entirely anecdotical, and cardgame's data is correct.

https://bsos.umd.edu/featured-content/proportion-terrorist-attacks



So in regards to cardgame, you're wrong.

fair enough... he countered a point I didn't make

On your earlier post (your response that cardgame responded to), eh, dunno. But hey, we could wager that you and Tim are both violent extremists representing each end of the spectrum. Here take into consideration that CFC is massively populated by liberals. Proportionally, you're the problem.

But you're showing to be very temperamental and don't spell well, so I don't expect you to listen to data or reason.

its a bit temperamental to go full goose step about spelling... in my honest opinion

 

[Angst]

I'm glad you listened to the source I provided.

To be very clear, temperament has more to do with impromptu declaring bloodshed than noting that spelling usually doesn't bode well of a poster. It has to do with surveying which people put some basic effort into their posts. I'm not temperamental here. The two combined - anger and poor spelling - do not draw a good picture of someone you'd want to listen to, for reasons that should be obvious to you. If you had only spelled weirdly, I wouldn't have pointed it out.

 

[Berzerker]

cardgame isn't Tim, Tim's point is entirely anecdotical, and cardgame's data is correct.

So in regards to cardgame, you're wrong.

right-wing extremists are literally more dangerous than islamic terrorism in this country

does the data support that assertion?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

And for the record, I don't blame you for your post. It was just that if we were to take the posts at face value, he's still the problem.

I got that. I wasn't expressing offense, just keeping things clear.

 

[Old Hippy]

does the data support that assertion?

at this point in time.... that is a fair enough assertion... no one likes violent extremists of either persuasion.

 

[Angst]

does the data support that assertion?

Right, brainfart. It actually only measures extreme right vs extreme left vs religious terrorism. Where the religious terrorism comes from is ambiguous. I was mostly focused on the supposed violence of the left as framed. I'm on my way to bed, but you're free to google yourself.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

no one likes violent extremists of either persuasion.

Not really. There is a general sense of antipathy towards violence. But there is little question in America currently as to who has made every reasonable effort to avoid violence as response to oppression. That makes it a whole lot easier to be liked when acting on behalf of the left. Violence on behalf of right wing extremists is always looked down upon, since they have the option to just call a cop.

 

[JollyRoger]

As much as the conservatives on the Supreme Court are lauded for protecting the 2nd Amendment, they are not that big on gun rights. The landmark case just gave an individual the "right" to (a) apply (b) for a license (c) to possess a handgun (d) in the home (e) for self defense purposes. The opinion held that all other infringements are presumptively valid. That opinion is over a decade old and the Supreme Court has not extended it beyond making it clear that a state must grant the limited "right" of (a) to (e). Since then, there have been dozens of cases where a gun was involved and the Supreme Court has failed in all to declare an infringement when the government was obviously infringing. Mere possession can get you a mandatory minimum prison sentence. Kavaboof isn't going to change that.