SCOTUS Nomination II: I Like Beer

[Berzerker]

Right, brainfart. It actually only measures extreme right vs extreme left vs religious terrorism. Where the religious terrorism comes from is ambiguous. I was mostly focused on the supposed violence of the left as framed. I'm on my way to bed, but you're free to google yourself.

Your link was fine

at this point in time.... that is a fair enough assertion... no one likes violent extremists of either persuasion.

If we're assuming the 'average' American I'd still think the greater threat is from Islamic terrorism. Americans are their targets while domestic terrorists have specific people on their hit list. So if I provided abortions I might attract a religious, non-Islamic right wing terrorist but Muslim terrorists would be much more indiscriminate.

As much as the conservatives on the Supreme Court are lauded for protecting the 2nd Amendment, they are not that big on gun rights. The landmark case just gave an individual the "right" to (a) apply (b) for a license (c) to possess a handgun (d) in the home (e) for self defense purposes. The opinion held that all other infringements are presumptively valid. That opinion is over a decade old and the Supreme Court has not extended it beyond making it clear that a state must grant the limited "right" of (a) to (e). Since then, there have been dozens of cases where a gun was involved and the Supreme Court has failed in all to declare an infringement when the government was obviously infringing. Mere possession can get you a mandatory minimum prison sentence. Kavaboof isn't going to change that.

But aren't there differences defined by the courts as to what states and Congress can do? For example, a Texas state law determined how far from a school someone can have a gun but when a case (Lopez?) came up the Feds stepped in under the guise of interstate commerce and the courts over ruled them whereas the courts might have left the state's enforcement of the law alone.

 

[JollyRoger]

Yeah - Stephen Paddock had specific people in mind.

 

[Berzerker]

was he a right wing religious ideologue?

 

[JollyRoger]

He was a white domestic terrorist

 

[Old Hippy]

Not really. There is a general sense of antipathy towards violence. But there is little question in America currently as to who has made every reasonable effort to avoid violence as response to oppression.

That's where we disagree. you can avoid violence while at the same time shredding the principles of the law that a collective civil society needs to remain a collective civil society
I think that the ballot box is where these issues should be resolved

That makes it a whole lot easier to be liked when acting on behalf of the left. Violence on behalf of right wing extremists is always looked down upon, since they have the option to just call a cop.

Many people think that anyone can call upon the law for protection
They are the swing voters up for grabs in November... it just remains to be seen who is making the best argument for their votes I respect the 'average' American to vote for what they think is best...even your vote will come down to that so don't forget to vote

 

[JollyRoger]

We have the chance to fight this battle at the ballot box before we have to resort to the bullet box... That's the beauty of our 2nd Amend rights.

 

[Berzerker]

He was a white domestic terrorist

He wasn't a terrorist and he targeted white people... How does he factor into a discussion about ideologically based terrorism? From what I understand his motives are still a mystery, I thought he was just crazy.

 

[cardgame]

I'm not saying it will be restored. My prediction is that Trump announces the election results can't be certified due to interference. We basically have no laws governing that situation, so executive orders to maintain stability and security will apply. Election boards in Pinhead County aren't going to know what to do, and since election boards are "bipartisan," meaning made up of balancing numbers of the most rabid partisans from each side, there will be a fight in every election board between those who want to certify and those who want to wait for an 'official correction' from the federal government. Eventually the certification deadline will arrive, and the fight over whether to use the corrected or uncorrected numbers will boil over into protests...which will be deemed as threats to the national security. Casualties will occur, inflaming the situation and leading to more casualties. Then the protests will end People identified as having protested will be convicted of crimes that will make them ineligible to vote in the future, and even blue states might be competitive. That will be that.

I'll be in Central America, if anyone is looking for me.

This seems terrifying plausible after Kavanaugh. Screenshotted for posterity.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

I'm not saying it will be restored. My prediction is that Trump announces the election results can't be certified due to interference. We basically have no laws governing that situation, so executive orders to maintain stability and security will apply. Election boards in Pinhead County aren't going to know what to do, and since election boards are "bipartisan," meaning made up of balancing numbers of the most rabid partisans from each side, there will be a fight in every election board between those who want to certify and those who want to wait for an 'official correction' from the federal government. Eventually the certification deadline will arrive, and the fight over whether to use the corrected or uncorrected numbers will boil over into protests...which will be deemed as threats to the national security. Casualties will occur, inflaming the situation and leading to more casualties. Then the protests will end People identified as having protested will be convicted of crimes that will make them ineligible to vote in the future, and even blue states might be competitive. That will be that.

I'll be in Central America, if anyone is looking for me.

Ok, thanks for providing a concrete plan of action to ensure a better future.

Also, who said Central America is safe from US imperialism?

 

[adcarrymaokai]

But you're showing to be very temperamental and don't spell well, so I don't expect you to listen to data or reason.

Data... data does not change people's minds. People are ruled by emotions. You can fact-check every statement made by Trump and show it's incorrect, but people who blindly support him will tell you that you are lying and continue with their beliefs.

I mean, people are claiming Kavanaugh is the real victim... the very same people who blame "SJW's" for playing victims. But I guess it's ok in Kavanaugh's case because they are on the same tea, so to speak.

People simply haven't evolved fast enough to be guided by logic and reason.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Ok, thanks for providing a concrete plan of action to ensure a better future.

Also, who said Central America is safe from US imperialism?

It isn't. I just think it will take a while for Central America to go to feces compared to Southern California, where I sort of expect the crapstorm to start.

 

[Миханя]

The Russian media says Kavanaugh was framed and blackmailed. Is this true?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The Russian media says Kavanaugh was framed and blackmailed. Is this true?

It is if you ask Trumpists.

 

[HoloDoc]

The Russian media says Kavanaugh was framed and blackmailed. Is this true?

No. He is pretty manifestly guilty, although a conviction in a court of law would likely never happen due to the length of time since the initial incident and the lack of witnesses. He is innocent of attempted rape in the same way that OJ Simpson is innocent of cutting his wife's head off; he clearly did it, his behaviour and demeanour illustrates this, but he got off.

The Russian media wants a reactionary US Supreme Court because it strengthens the American Right, and the American Right has become one of Putin's strongest allies, which is frankly astonishing given the state of the world just a decade ago. An America with incompetent, backwards, reactionary leadership is an America that can't threaten Russia. So Russian media will push this ridiculous theory to the hilt, as will Russian bots online.

You only need to see Kavanaugh's testimony to tell that he is guilty of something, and the transcript shows he is temperamentally unsuitable for the position he is now in. Ten years ago, the Republicans would have rescinded his nomination. Maybe even two years ago. Now, he's their boy.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Rome had Incititus, the US has Kavanaugh.

 

[HoloDoc]

Rome had Incititus, the US has Kavanaugh.

How long until Trump makes a horse Senator? As opposed to the current crop, who are just horse's arses.

 

[Миханя]

Ok, thought so.

 

[HoloDoc]

Ok, thought so.

The SCOTUS also has nothing whatsoever to do with impeachment. That's up to Congress. SCOTUS might get involved in some of Trump's other legal issues, but probably not.

 

[Berzerker]

minor quibble, the chief justice presides over the trial

 

[FriendlyFire]

The SCOTUS also has nothing whatsoever to do with impeachment. That's up to Congress. SCOTUS might get involved in some of Trump's other legal issues, but probably not.

Two constitional crisis flash points which have to be settle by scotus
1) Can a President shut down an investigation into himself by firing the investigators if congress dose nothing
2) Can a President self pardon himself for crimes

While Republican controlled congress will simply do nothing, a Democrat congress would certainly move to impeach and the President would fight this legally, as the law itself is ambugious it will have to be settle by SCOTUS
My guess is they will side with Trump and simply make it a one of ruling that isnt law, like they did with G.W.Bush election win.