Sexist Game or Sandbox?

[Ferocitus]

Some people are better at pattern matching than other people. True story.

 

[red_elk]

LOL. This is mark of how good we are at pattern-finding. We find patterns where there are none.

Right, I remember there was face detection software, which was finding a hundred of faces in a picture of forest. It was very good at face finding, by your metric.

 

[Kyriakos]

Even identifying meaning in words is, in essence, connecting a fossil of a learned pattern to them.

 

[Farm Boy]

I would be tempted to wear that suit.

Even identifying meaning in words is, in essence, connecting a fossil of a learned pattern to them.

Spoiler Fer sher :

 

[Lexicus]

Right, I remember there was face detection software, which was finding a hundred of faces in a picture of forest. It was very good at face finding, by your metric.

Does this car look happy to you?

 

[red_elk]

Does this car look happy to you?

Yes. My point is that "we are good at pattern recognition" doesn't mean the car is actually happy.
Likewise, if someone sees a pattern in phrase "it's ok to be white", may be all what he sees is smiling car.

 

[Lexicus]

Yes. My point is that "we are good at pattern recognition" doesn't mean the car is actually happy.

Wow that is a genius-level insight right here bro

Likewise, if someone sees a pattern in phrase "it's ok to be white", may be all what he sees is smiling car.

Nah, if anyone says "it's okay to be white" they are either a Nazi are have fallen for a Nazi agitprop meme

 

[Ferocitus]

Does this car look happy to you?

No. It's aghast and red with embarrassment because its rear-vision mirror is not horizontal.

 

[red_elk]

Wow that is a genius-level insight right here bro

No, it's merely understanding what good and bad pattern recognition actually is.
Bro.

 

[Kyriakos]

I thought it just wanted to showcase its silver teeth.

 

[MaryKB]

Does this car look happy to you?

Isn't that Lightning McQueen?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

An ironic troll is still a troll, and gets the same treatment. There's not really any functional difference to pretending to be a jerk and just being one, when you're interacting with strangers.

The important distinction in this case is "intentional trolling/baiting" vs "unironic racism". If you recognize a troll/jerk for being what it is, it is awkward to react in exactly the way the troll expects/wants. But that's what people did.

Just because a pattern is unintended doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Human tendency to find "patterns" in things that *don't actually exist* is a real phenomenon. Confirmation bias, seeing "human" faces in things that are objectively nothing like human faces, anthropomorphism of "intention" in things that don't even contain nervous systems (aka "rocks want to fall"). These are not real patterns. Identifying them as such suggests we're not as good at distinguishing real patterns as we think.

A proper belief constrains anticipation of experience/observation. If the actual state of observed/experience thing isn't consistent with belief the correct response is to update the belief. In attributing faces to things that don't have them, we fail and should downgrade our evaluation of "pattern finding". False positives shouldn't be viewed as more useful than failing to see a particular/advanced pattern.

I would be tempted to wear that suit.

Me too. Though in my case the reason isn't because I'd expect to look good in it.

Nah, if anyone says "it's okay to be white" they are either a Nazi are have fallen for a Nazi agitprop meme

Or they're putting up a sign that is uncontroversial at face value to troll reactionary people and bait them into doing/saying racist things in response to seeing it and make the latter look stupid.

Or they're in a context where they're saying the phrase legitimately, because the implication of that situation is otherwise.

 

[Lexicus]

Or they're putting up a sign that is uncontroversial at face value to troll reactionary people and bait them into doing/saying racist things in response to seeing it and make the latter look stupid.

I'm gonna go ahead and "nope" this because you just made it up and it doesn't happen

Or they're in a context where they're saying the phrase legitimately, because the implication of that situation is otherwise.

I'm also gonna go ahead and "nope" this because, wow, you literally fell for the Nazi troll meme, nice job

 

[AmazonQueen]

Human tendency to find "patterns" in things that *don't actually exist* is a real phenomenon. Confirmation bias, seeing "human" faces in things that are objectively nothing like human faces, anthropomorphism of "intention" in things that don't even contain nervous systems (aka "rocks want to fall"). These are not real patterns. Identifying them as such suggests we're not as good at distinguishing real patterns as we think.

A proper belief constrains anticipation of experience/observation. If the actual state of observed/experience thing isn't consistent with belief the correct response is to update the belief. In attributing faces to things that don't have them, we fail and should downgrade our evaluation of "pattern finding". False positives shouldn't be viewed as more useful than failing to see a particular/advanced pattern.

The pattern or similarity may exist. Its the attributing of meaning to it when there is none that's the problem.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I'm gonna go ahead and "nope" this because you just made it up and it doesn't happen

The "it's okay to be white" signs actually were placed, and people interviewed gave the responses I describe. So I "nope" your fake refutation .

I'm also gonna go ahead and "nope" this because, wow, you literally fell for the Nazi troll meme, nice job

When there is racism against white people, using the phrase has nothing to do with Nazis. Claiming otherwise is objectively racist, and actually shares something in common with the Nazis themselves even while decrying them.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

You know who also breathed in air? Nazis

Top logic, checkmate liberals

 

[Lexicus]

The "it's okay to be white" signs actually were placed, and people interviewed gave the responses I describe. So I "nope" your fake refutation .

When there is racism against white people,

wow, you literally fell for the Nazi troll meme, nice job

That is all I have to say

 

[Cloud_Strife]

There is racism from individuals plus society and then there is institutional racism. White people can suffer from the former but not the latter, in America.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

That is all I have to say

It's awkward to effectively claim yourself racist, but okay.

There is racism from individuals plus society and then there is institutional racism. White people can suffer from the former but not the latter, in America.

False. Not only is institutional racism against any race *possible* in America, within small sectors/context it does happen against white people. That it's not as bad as others experience doesn't change the fact that it's there.

Example: In the past 3 decades, how many white cornerbacks have started in the NFL? Be careful how you answer/explain this, for these explanations will still need to hold up when claims of institutionalized racism are made regarding other races in other contexts.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Tell me more of this institutional racism against whites in America, by a white majority government that has systemically oppressed all non-white people.

And hey man, i don't give a damn about the NFL, it's a red herring and a misdirect.

So again, what institutional racism do whites suffer from?