SGFN-08: Random AWM Succession Game

[DWetzel]

Great job! Especially the well-conducted invasion in Scandinavia. (Indeed we didn't need an Army over there, and you proved it.)
The only slight slackness is: no ships ready in the Murmansk area and at Ergili for attacking the islands...

We now have the exact value of the domination limit: only 511 tiles missing! 357 can be settled on our continent, 100 more on Scandinavia, and the three island will give us the rest. Perhaps we should already send our Beta Army north again to take and keep 2-3 undefended Babylonian/Aztec towns. Both are without saltpeter, so that should be possible. Then we don't need to tackle the Russian bear.

This is probably the technically correct way, but it'd be more fun to beat them down...

If we're looking at using the army to take something... who's got the cash? That's the right one to try to take a couple of towns from. Better to just raze them than to try to keep, though.

 

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Quicky question. When trying for domination, do coast tiles count or is a coastal city less helpful than settling inland? I'm doing a lot of gap filling with settlers in my turn set and am looking to maximize coverage.

 

[TheOverseer714]

Sea tiles within the 21 tile area of a city count, ocean tiles do not.

 

[splunge the 2nd]

Thanks.
Turnset is going well so far.

 

[Elephantium]

lurker's comment:

I thought coastal tiles counted while sea and ocean didn't.

 

[pol1]

lurker's comment:

also thought that sea tiles do not count toward domination limit and therefore cultural expansion of coastal ICSed towns didn't matter (as long as new claimed tiles are sea tiles).

as is stated in http://www.civfanatics.com/civ3/strategy/maximizing_score.php and comes from own game experience.

 

[Bartleby]

lurker's comment:

lurker's comment:
I thought coastal tiles counted while sea and ocean didn't.

This is correct.

 

[splunge the 2nd]

Thanks. I was pretty sure coast counts. As any new cities will never get culture, settling on the coast makes sense.

 

[Sparthage]

Sorry about the Murmansk area invasion fleet. Most of the time I was worried about shipping units to Scandinavia as they arrived at the Konigsberg area. So most of our ships up there were carrying units, not heading south. Overall, I'd like to win by conquering the Beta Continent, but if no one else does, I'll be fine with settling our continent.

 

[TheOverseer714]

I guess i had the wrong idea of sea tiles. I know the light blue counts, the dark blue doesn't. Oh, and I think trash our enemies as much as you can, winning by settling is kind of boring.

 

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Do we have a consensus? Quick and dull or long and bloody?
I've already palyed out 4 or 5 turns and have wiped the Vikings off their continenrt and am assembling a flotilla for an invasion of the small island (or perhaps Beta continent) while doing a lot of filling gaps by settling. I can go either way.

 

[DWetzel]

Do we have a consensus? Quick and dull or long and bloody?
I've already palyed out 4 or 5 turns and have wiped the Vikings off their continenrt and am assembling a flotilla for an invasion of the small island (or perhaps Beta continent) while doing a lot of filling gaps by settling. I can go either way.

I think the quickest way to win is to do both, if possible. Settle our gaps and work to maximize domination tiles, while moving the attack overseas. Every tile we take there is less cities we have to settle ourselves.

 

[Sparthage]

Doing both would be nice. I'd like the invasion force to go after Beta Continent. A two-city island doesn't concern me right now, even if we could win by taking it.

 

[DWetzel]

Doing both would be nice. I'd like the invasion force to go after Beta Continent. A two-city island doesn't concern me right now, even if we could win by taking it.

More relevantly, we can send units to Beta and then have units in production now delivered to the island, and still take the island in plenty of time to have it help us win. That gives the units on Beta more time to wreak havoc.

 

[GamezRule]

Or ignore the island and have some more bloody fun.

 

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Status report:
I'm on turn 7, should finish tonight or Saturday. Much of my turn set is getting ships in position to ferry forces and lots of worker activity. I did manage so far to get 2 new leaders repelling landings by small invading forces. I probably won't be able to launch the heroic assault on Beta Continent but next up should be able to get it rolling.

 

[Lanzelot]

I think the quickest way to win is to do both, if possible. Settle our gaps and work to maximize domination tiles, while moving the attack overseas.

That's right. We have all those units, so we should of course use them...
Shields go into cavs, cash goes into settlers: that way we leverage all our resources in the best way.

 

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Eventful turnset.
Highlights: Completed conquest of the Vikings. Repelled various minor landings. Brought us to steam and started haphazard railing. Started shipping troops to Beta for a conquest of the Aztecs who have been royal pains. I planned to use the beta army for cover when the units landed, but lost the Beta army. It was possibly cause I overlooked cav zone of control which left it wounded by 1 health and the Aztecs picked it to pieces (Sorry).
Filled in lots of gaps on our continent, approaching Domination.

Spoiler :

Preflight:
Have save. Don't have CA II. Ready to roll.

IBT Russian galley buzzes coast.
Bezerk dies redlining musket near Birka.

Turn 1
Trondheim riots, turn it into a science farm and let it starve down.
Athens worker>worker
Hamburg cav>university
Konigsburg settler>settler
Ergil worker>worker

Per our Domestic Advisor, "Our treasury is dangerously low."

Move horses to Arbela and Turong Tepe to quell resistance.
Turn a bunch of clowns to scientists, drop research to 70, still will get

steam in 6 with + 15 GPT.
Found Newtown in a gap near iron hill and gap in territory is filled.
Vet cav kills pike in , loses 3.
Found ICy Sea in Viking continent >worker
Utrecht with 6 pop and zero growth is building an aqueduct. Switch to

galleon, complete in 1.

IBT
Russian galley drops 2 MI's near Stockholm

Turn 2:
Utrecht galleon>cavalry
Resitance ends in Turing Tep
Waste Not worker>settler
Brandenburg worker>worker
Thirsty worker>worker

Shuttle vet cav from home to Stockholm, kills russian MI w/o loss.
Cannon bombards Reyjakavik, misses. Vet cav kills Pike in Reyjakavik loses 2

and promotes. Vet cav dies against pike in Reyjakavik who loses 2. It is

killed by vet crusader. We take Reyjakavik. I'm sick of typing "Reyjakavik"

and rename it "Hans". >settler
Vet cav kills sole pike in Birka, loses 3 but takews city >worker
Beta army clears some fog and just for spite captures and kills 2 Bab

workers.
Build Swampburgh near Murky Munich to close more gaps in Persian homeland,

claim more turf >worker
On a whim, send 3 cavs against Coppenhagen who win 3 for 3 against the 3

pikes and Coppenhagen is ours, ending Viking control of their island and

allowing wider settling to claim land. We acquire the Collosus and 2 GPT for

it's touristy apeal.Set it to wealth as it'll never grow.

IBT
MI dies attacking vet musket in stockholm and it promotes.
Various resitance dies off.
Russians land 2 near Tyre (bad choice as I moved a tack of trebs there for

eventual shpping overseas).

Turn 3
Stutgart cannon>cav
Bananas are fruits worker>worker
At Tyre, trebs go 5 for 5 and the MI's die from the 2 elite LB's sitting

there who lose some health and don't promote. The remaining trebs blast the

galley down to 1 health.
Build Alert, Nunavut (per Wikipedia, the northernmost permanent settlement in

the world) on the north coast of old Norway.>wealth
Workers work, shift some troops

IBT
Aztecs drop Ancient Cav, Cav and Horseman near Tyre, between 2 of our cav

armies. We may want to pillage their saltpeter/horses.
Russians drop 2 more MI at Tyre (not too smart)

Turn 4
Berlin Univ>cav
Leipzig settler>same
Argos settler>worker
Spartan encampment worker>same
Bremen settler>worker
Lake Sparta worker>worker
Russians are building Newtons
Some resitance falls

Move trebs from Tyre and bombard the MI's, kill with LB who promotes! Build

army immediately in Tyre. Second LB dies against MI. Darn MI also kills

nearby elite* horseman. Finally kill the darn MI and the Aztec horse units

with the armies. With 1-2 health lost each.
Build Spartan Beach ner Spartan Encampment filling in the gaps >worker

Beta army clears fog and kills some more workers.

IBT
Aztecs drops ancient cav, MI and LB (same spot near Tyre)
Russians drop Musket, MI and warrior near Tyre

Turn 5
Rotterdam Cav>cav
Resistance drops
Hanover cav>cav
Panama settler>settler
Eat Horse Alex worker>settler
IRon SMithy cannon>wealth
Izbia riots (oops) make scientist
Aztecs are building Newtons

This time more effectively bombard landing parties and kill with armies and

with elite horse with no losses to speak of and no promotion.
Build city Ice Forest in middle of old Norway >wealth
Build New Berlin on coast of old Greece>worker
Realizing we have steam in 2 turns and no workers in our core, switch

Rotterdama nd Leipzig to workers and start moving workers from the

Greek/Persian homelands to the core for railing. Switch Hey Bambi to worker

also.

IBT
Galleys buzz, Russian galley approaches their drop off point.
Apparently Babylonia built a town at the southern tip of the old Persian

homeland and is sending a MI towards our undefended (not for long) Dariush

Trun 6
Leipzig worker>worker
Konigsberg settler>worker
Heraklia settler>worker
Kiel settler>worker
Hey ABmbi worker>wealth

Cav army kills Bab MI.
Beta army moves into Aztec country through a Bab LB, losing one health.

IBT
Russia lands 2 more MI and the Aztecs land 2 horses, an ancient cav and a cav

at the landing site.
Foreign advisor advises us the Babs have wiped out the Vikings saving us the

trouble.

Turn 7
We have steam rendering the Knights Templar obsolete. At 100% science we can

get electricity in 8 but we can't sustain it for more than 2-3 turns. With

rails, farms will be more efficient, but I'm looking to rail the core first.

We have 2 coal by the way.

Rotterdam worker>cav.
Thermopylae worker>wealth
Sidon settler>settler
Sardis worker>settler
Frankfort army>University- this will complete in 8. A new army will come in

31 and a cav in 7, so the next player can opt to switch. It makes 30

beakers/turn with its library and a Uni I think make sense if we plan to play

a longer game.
Heidleburg the second Univ>cav
Konigsberg worker>wealth (let it build population)
Murky Munich worker>wealth (same)

Trebs go 10/11 against Aztec stack and 4/5 vs the Russians.
Elite LB kills cav, Eleite horse kills horse and gives us a leader! eLB takes

a health off the second horse who retrats (darn). Last eLB kills the AC.

Army kills the MI's and the horse.
Horseman army kills lone pike in Carchemish losing a buch of health, but

destroying the city and leaving us alone again on our continent.

Beta army explores and kills a pair of Aztec workers.
Settle Munich on east coast of old Persia > musket (it'll never complete)

IBT
Aztec ?frigate sinks caravel along with units sent to fight on Beta (sorry,

should have sent in convoy)
Aztecs land 2 cavs at their landing point.

Turn 8
Amsterdam cav>cav
Leipzig worker>worker
Konigsburg worker>galleon
Bonn Uni>barracks
Waste Not settler>worker

Aztecs are building Newton's

Switch a bunch of unproductive cities off settlers-we have too many in the

pipes. Most to cannons, galleons or wealth.

Bombard the heck out of the Aztec cavs and kill with 2 elite LB's w/o

promotion
Settle Elysium in old Persia worker
Settle Another corrupt city on the East caost of old Persia>worker
BEta army moves further into Aztec country to establish a beachhead for an

invasion. Loses one health to a cav zone of control that I overlooked.
Lots of worker's work

IBT
Holy Crud-the beta army is attacked by Aztec cavalry and MI and is killed ?!?
Aztec Cav, Ancient cav and Horse land near Trondheim

Turn 9
Arbela Explorer>worker
Koln cav>cav
Leatherworks worker>worker
"Our treasury is dangerously low"
Back down on research to 70%. Electricity in 7 (or nationalism in 7)
Kill cav near Trondheim with cav. No losses. Shift around muskets to protect

empty cities.
Retreat transport troops back to ALpha continent to better plan invasion of

Beta now covering army is lost.
Cavs from caravel retruning to Old Sweden kill remaining Aztec units with 1

losing 2 health.
Switch a bunch of pop to scientists, now it's electricity in 5 at +6 GPT.

Ferhbellin has been set to courthouse and it's far on the way even though

it's 100% corrupt. Switching to a galleon wastes 14 shileds. Worth

reconsiderring later.

IBT:
Aztecs shoot frigate at roads in corrupt old Persia to no effect.
Babs drop 1 MI near Trondheim.

Turn 10
Berlin cav>musket
Leipzig worker>worker
Hamburg Univ>cav
Knossos settler>worker
Sugar creek settler>worker
Settle Nothing but Sand in the Persian desert>worker
CAv kills MI near Tronheim, loses 2 health.
Workers work.

I was researching towards Electricity rather than Nationalism looking towards replaceable parts with arty and infantry. The group should consider Nationalism with all our highly corrupt but well fed cities that are also sparsely defended, drafting for defense or shileds plus war economy might not be a better idea.

Sorry I didn't have a coordinated approach to assaulting the Beta continent. (I've got 3 unfilled armies for example) Lots of our forces were scattered all over a wide area on the Persian/Greek subcontient and Vikingland and rounding them up while repelling landings was challenging.
Any constructive criticsim would be welcome.

 

[DWetzel]

Does that put me up? If so, I've got it and speak quickly if you have any particularly clever comments. Labor Day Weekend means I should get it played fairly quickly.

 

[Sparthage]

I think we should build a few frigates to defend our Beta and Island Invasion Forces, they also can provide artillery support. Overall, over 2 turnsets, we've eliminated 3 civs. That's good. I would also like to suggest landing our invasion force in the northern parts of Beta continent, then push south, conquering the Aztecs.