Htadus
A and L's dad
I will run a test tonight but Myst after AH. To not do that would be unrealistic since that will hinder growth. Whipping a monument as you noted is not a big deal and a zero happy/unhappy event.
SGOTM 14 - Xteam
- Thread starter AlanH
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Appreciated! Delaying AH will definitely hinder growth here but can't say how techs, builds and worker actions go together without testing. However, it should at least give us a quite early SH date without totally destroying growth.
Htadus
A and L's dad
Well I did a test and was able to build the SH and still get my settler 2 out on T 49 with 2 chops and 2 pop whip.
This is the test with stone in Ashoka's BFC.
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I am not sure If I am for it or not yet. I know we can use 2 GPs to bulb Theo and part bulb CS. But I feel that may be counter productive if we need to bulb our way to Astro.
Nice testing gents. 
Finally got a chance to give this a test drive. Used the save without the stone in Asoka's bfc.
Got Stonehenge on turn 49, could have been a turn earlier as I did not whip anything (all chops), so could have waited to revolt.
Turn Log:
Finally got a chance to give this a test drive. Used the save without the stone in Asoka's bfc.
Got Stonehenge on turn 49, could have been a turn earlier as I did not whip anything (all chops), so could have waited to revolt.
Turn Log:
Spoiler :
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Looks promising, leif. (Why did you revolt to Slavery so early if you weren't going to use it? Seems you could have at least waited until just before NY was founded.)
Be interested in seeing a save from Htadus for comparison. Perhaps after the next test iteration?
Be interested in seeing a save from Htadus for comparison. Perhaps after the next test iteration?
Well, thought I might need it. But ended up chopping instead. Testing will show whether we need to change and when is the best time.
With two Workers, it was quick and easy, but I'm no sure I ended up much better than Htadus...
With two Workers, it was quick and easy, but I'm no sure I ended up much better than Htadus...
Htadus
A and L's dad
I am sorry I did not have a save for that turn but this is where I stopped at...goofing off
. This is turn 55.I was tring to see how badly/well the GS generation work if I were to run a few turns of a scientist in the capital. But had to help take the kids up stairs to sleep. The techs were not focused either.
The SH was build with 2 chops and I too revolted as NY was founded.
Nice job with the tests! 
How do tech paths go if we want to bulb CS with GPro? What should be avoided? I guess it would be rather easy to block the GPro generation after the first one with a library + 2 scientists somewhere, later with GLib + Nat. Epic.
Htadus
A and L's dad
Nice job with the tests!
How do tech paths go if we want to bulb CS with GPro? What should be avoided? I guess it would be rather easy to block the GPro generation after the first one with a library + 2 scientists somewhere, later with GLib + Nat. Epic.
we need to avoid Monarchy and learn Mono. Glib and NE only polute the GP pool and not guarentee. I believe the chance for GS will drop to about high 60 percent. Anyways I think we should focus on the Oracle for MC or CoL inplace of SH.
As usual I am off to work and will get involve when back.
Well, meant to build GLib + NE to different city than SH. NE is tricky as with it you can get great people faster but it gives some artist pollution. With 2 scientists from GLib + 2 from library you get 93% chance for GSci with NE. This is quite high already imo and you can get it higher with caste.
In some cases it's better to "build" wanted GP during a golden age to guarantee the results. Without philo the NE-option is nicer as you can get almost 2 GP in the time you would get one without NE. This kind of negates the artist pollution from NE. Being philo makes the GA-option more useful than normally as NE won't double the GP points generated.
Are you advocating for no NE due to Philosophical trait?
Where are we on Stonehenge construction? Seems there may be better alternatives? 'mids? GLib? Oracle?
Where are we on Stonehenge construction? Seems there may be better alternatives? 'mids? GLib? Oracle?
Are we ready to move the Settle 1-west to see what is there and make a final settlement decision?
I think that NE is almost always useful if you have marble and grow your GPs in one city. What I was trying to say is that being philo-leader makes it easier to get for example 2-3 GMs (or scientists or something) during a GA from multiple cities with caste. This is mainly due to the fact that philo-bonus affects all cities, NE only one. It's basically just a question whether we want a constant source of GPs (usually mainly GSci, good for example when bulbing up to Liberalism or Astro) with some pollution or 2-3 GPs in very short time and we want them to be exactly the wanted type (often used to get GMs to fuel the upgrading of troops before war). But this is not a question that should be addressed before starting, we need to see first what's happening in the game.
GLib or Mids won't really affect the building of SH as the timing of those is way further. Even Oracle won't be much of an issue, I think. But how about GLH? We need to explore a bit to see if there's enough water for it...
I'm ok with this.
DJMGator13
Wondering why Builders can't build Roads
I'm good with moving the settler before deciding on city placement.
OK, thanks.
Thinking what it affects is tech choices as we go up the tree. We should have some idea of what we want to achieve in order to "set up" that timing of the Wonders we want to build.
The building of Stonehenge also slows rex. So it encourages us to be more vertical than horizontal?
The building of SH has two sides. It slows the initial expansion a bit because you want Masonry for stone and need to actually get the stone (second city placement). If you can chop SH with stone, it's hammers well spent (but still spent on something else than settlers). On the other hand, you won't need to build monuments around and get kind of "free" border pops. That way you can settle the cities number 3-6 more freely as it doesn't matter that much if some good tiles are on the second ring. Hammerwise, SH equals 4 monuments but of course earlier hammers are more important.
Sometimes it's better to get culture for border pops from religions or libraries but as we're charismatic, we'll want those monuments anyway.
Htadus
A and L's dad
I think that is 5 ok's to move west and post image. I will very soon.
Hope MP and Hawk do not mind. Am I a go leif, for the image?
BTW with stone, The SH is only 60 hammers, or 3 chop.
Hope MP and Hawk do not mind. Am I a go leif, for the image?
BTW with stone, The SH is only 60 hammers, or 3 chop.
Mad Professor
Deity
Sorry for the silence. Had a little relocation. Should be back into it by next week.
Yes, I think so.
True, I'm not a big fan of that city site though.
Tried a test game of 1 north. It is interesting that the Oasis sped up tech a fair amount, providing 2 commerce per turn. I think I got to Stonehenge a couple of turns earlier. I do not think the prospects are so good long term. Would sure like to know what is around the Cow?
But we aren't going to find out soon enough...
Everything is OK? We miss your input but hope that all is well.
The-Hawk
Old Original Geezer
Sorry, traveling this week and a bit behind. I agree with poking our heads west to see what is across the lake.
Should be able to help with testing this weekend, then off onto the road again next week.
Hawk.Nice to hear from you. Hope the travels were pleasant. Always nice to get home though...
